In reply to Post #14
I have been using the Snugpack Elite 4 for over a year now and it is much warmer than anything I have ever used from within the tackle trade. It is comfort rated to -10 C and weighs less than 2kg. My original Trakker pertex bag weighed 3 times as much and is not as warm. My Fox Ventec Lite weights in at 3kg and is not warm enough for me even with a bedchair cover. OK the Elite 4 is a mummy style bag, doesn't attach to the chair and the zips are not crash zips - none of this bothers me but it might be a deal breaker for other people. It cost me just £86 new.
So if the new Techlite is as warm and has been specifically designed for anglers and bedchairs then in my view they are on to a winner here, albeit overpriced.
I have been using the Snugpack Elite 4 for over a year now and it is much warmer than anything I have ever used from within the tackle trade. It is comfort rated to -10 C and weighs less than 2kg. My original Trakker pertex bag weighed 3 times as much and is not as warm. My Fox Ventec Lite weights in at 3kg and is not warm enough for me even with a bedchair cover. OK the Elite 4 is a mummy style bag, doesn't attach to the chair and the zips are not crash zips - none of this bothers me but it might be a deal breaker for other people. It cost me just £86 new.
So if the new Techlite is as warm and has been specifically designed for anglers and bedchairs then in my view they are on to a winner here, albeit overpriced.
I think general appeal will be very limited. Cant see them selling enough at £250 to be available long term, unless another market is found.
Many who would spend this kind of money on a sleeping bag (tackle tart brigade, Trakker/Aqua etc fans) can park close enough that weight and size isnt a priority. For those of us that dont fall in that category I dont see enough is gained over the ECWCS bag to spend an extra £100.
Many who would spend this kind of money on a sleeping bag (tackle tart brigade, Trakker/Aqua etc fans) can park close enough that weight and size isnt a priority. For those of us that dont fall in that category I dont see enough is gained over the ECWCS bag to spend an extra £100.
In reply to Post #17
does anybody know the weight of the ECWCS system?
does anybody know the weight of the ECWCS system?
In reply to Post #18
all in about 4 1/2 kg
all in about 4 1/2 kg
In reply to Post #17
if I bought one Paul, it would be pure decadence. and its been a few years since ive done that.
if I bought one Paul, it would be pure decadence. and its been a few years since ive done that.
In reply to Post #20
Decadence can be one of the best reasons sometimes
Decadence can be one of the best reasons sometimes
In reply to Post #21
I'm going to buy one just because if there anything like the quality of the snug pac range they will last for years!
If the quality is there the price maybe justified.
They start at £229.99 not £250 as stated on here (green version, camo £250)
Add up all the money you've spent every year on new shelters, rods etc and ask yourself , do I need to buy all that gear every year???
Buy once and pay once!
I'm going to buy one just because if there anything like the quality of the snug pac range they will last for years!
If the quality is there the price maybe justified.
They start at £229.99 not £250 as stated on here (green version, camo £250)
Add up all the money you've spent every year on new shelters, rods etc and ask yourself , do I need to buy all that gear every year???
Buy once and pay once!
In reply to Post #22
i dont buy into this myth peddled by a few that only the likes of Snugpak, or only UK companies can make reliable, quality products. Its utter tosh in a lot of cases and just an excuse to charge a premium.
I dont remember ever changing a sleeping bag because its faulty ... ive only had a handful of fishing style sleeping bags over the years ranging from the cheap and cheerful to, at the time top of range Trakker Armotexx . None have ever been changed because they were faulty, only changed for changes sake.
Ive also had basic camping sub £30 bags (used in a caravan) that have been used for 15-20 years with no issues.
Apart from the zip im not sure how a sleeping bag can become faulty without user error. If someone is changing a sleeping bag every year because of faults then they must be doing something wrong
i dont buy into this myth peddled by a few that only the likes of Snugpak, or only UK companies can make reliable, quality products. Its utter tosh in a lot of cases and just an excuse to charge a premium.
I dont remember ever changing a sleeping bag because its faulty ... ive only had a handful of fishing style sleeping bags over the years ranging from the cheap and cheerful to, at the time top of range Trakker Armotexx . None have ever been changed because they were faulty, only changed for changes sake.
Ive also had basic camping sub £30 bags (used in a caravan) that have been used for 15-20 years with no issues.
Apart from the zip im not sure how a sleeping bag can become faulty without user error. If someone is changing a sleeping bag every year because of faults then they must be doing something wrong
In reply to Post #23
did like the look of these , seem to fold up nicely into a bed chair, Had a lot of bags myself but always seem to fall bach to my Glorith, although I will have a look at one of these but when they start discounting them, £230 is a bit pricey for a bag.
did like the look of these , seem to fold up nicely into a bed chair, Had a lot of bags myself but always seem to fall bach to my Glorith, although I will have a look at one of these but when they start discounting them, £230 is a bit pricey for a bag.
In reply to Post #22
I've been told these will not now be available until January.
I've been told these will not now be available until January.
In reply to Post #25
Johnson ross are getting a small amount this week and another order in the new year along with the rest of the shops that are stocking them.
Johnson ross are getting a small amount this week and another order in the new year along with the rest of the shops that are stocking them.
In reply to Post #23
My original wide boy frostbite is very heavy, stiff, so won't fold at all. And even with both layers is not a winter bag. In fact I use both layers in all but the hottest summer night.
How I have dealt with this is using my old Trakker thermal cover. And sleeping in my Snugpak softie. The best part of that is the softie. Favourite bit of kit I own. So the thought of sleeping in a softie bag that is actually big enough for me is very tempting. Their mummy bags aren't wide enough.
My original wide boy frostbite is very heavy, stiff, so won't fold at all. And even with both layers is not a winter bag. In fact I use both layers in all but the hottest summer night.
How I have dealt with this is using my old Trakker thermal cover. And sleeping in my Snugpak softie. The best part of that is the softie. Favourite bit of kit I own. So the thought of sleeping in a softie bag that is actually big enough for me is very tempting. Their mummy bags aren't wide enough.
In reply to Post #27
Im similar in that use an ECWCS less the goretex cover but with a Trakker thermal cover instead. Both of which folds inside my X-lite bedchair without issue. I didnt think i would get on with it being a mummy style bag but because it is a smaller bag i think it keeps warmer. If i fancy a little more luxury i occasionally dig the Armotexx bag out
Im similar in that use an ECWCS less the goretex cover but with a Trakker thermal cover instead. Both of which folds inside my X-lite bedchair without issue. I didnt think i would get on with it being a mummy style bag but because it is a smaller bag i think it keeps warmer. If i fancy a little more luxury i occasionally dig the Armotexx bag out
In reply to Post #28
my old trakker armotexx was a cracking bag. but i sold mine on when all the wideboy stuff came out.
however, having lost almost 5 stone now i could prob fit comfortably in the 90cm bags. howver at a xxl and a 52 chest i will still stuggle in a snugpak mummy.
my old trakker armotexx was a cracking bag. but i sold mine on when all the wideboy stuff came out.
however, having lost almost 5 stone now i could prob fit comfortably in the 90cm bags. howver at a xxl and a 52 chest i will still stuggle in a snugpak mummy.
In reply to Post #23
Quote: I don't buy into this myth peddled by a few that only the likes of Snugpak, or only UK companies can make reliable, quality products. Its utter tosh in a lot of cases and just an excuse to charge a premium.
Surely Snugpak's long experience of making quality sleeping bags for military and the mountaineering trade speak for themselves...........years of perfecting the softie insulation and the pertex layer all made in house in Sheffield. The difference with this is all made in house is they are in control of their own quality control and manufacturing, as they are the actually the manufacturer not the middle man!!
How many Nash, Aqua, Trakker etc (Chinese manufactured products) have had a high volume of returns??? 10 percent one Rep from one of these companies claimed all built into the price! How many times have products produced in the far east turned out to be recalled or just duff due to them having issues with the bell caps leaking or poles too long for the fabric at the front or poles snapping???
Not their fault....its just their badge on the product, they don't actually make it!!
You obviously have never bought a product with a problem, either that or you haven't kept it long enough for any faults to show in the first place.
I think you will find the reason there is a premium price in this product and Uk products are the price for manufacturing in the UK are massive........Wages, rates, Insurances etc etc...I think you'll find most working people here in the UK would rather earn a fair wage while at work and not a sweat shop to keep the product costs down and also choose to spend their money here in the UK to put something back into the system??
Although I am far from being in favour of the BMP!!! my reasons are simple as above.....quality and experience in the field to be able manufacture the product, and it's made here in the UK....that doesn't mean its rip off Briton, it means that is how much it costs to produce the product.
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I dont remember ever changing a sleeping bag because its faulty ... ive only had a handful of fishing style sleeping bags over the years ranging from the cheap and cheerful to, at the time top of range Trakker Armotexx . None have ever been changed because they were faulty, only changed for changes sake.
Well you never had a sundridge heat control for years, which was a great bag but the filling slowly compacted after too many washes so went as did my Goliath both after many years of use....(goliath second hand).
Again I will think with my feet for the obvious reasons above......I have placed my order and eagerly await its arrival.......its obviously not for you for reasons you state being too expensive/ UK made. You as well with think with your feet!
Quote: I don't buy into this myth peddled by a few that only the likes of Snugpak, or only UK companies can make reliable, quality products. Its utter tosh in a lot of cases and just an excuse to charge a premium.
Surely Snugpak's long experience of making quality sleeping bags for military and the mountaineering trade speak for themselves...........years of perfecting the softie insulation and the pertex layer all made in house in Sheffield. The difference with this is all made in house is they are in control of their own quality control and manufacturing, as they are the actually the manufacturer not the middle man!!
How many Nash, Aqua, Trakker etc (Chinese manufactured products) have had a high volume of returns??? 10 percent one Rep from one of these companies claimed all built into the price! How many times have products produced in the far east turned out to be recalled or just duff due to them having issues with the bell caps leaking or poles too long for the fabric at the front or poles snapping???
Not their fault....its just their badge on the product, they don't actually make it!!
You obviously have never bought a product with a problem, either that or you haven't kept it long enough for any faults to show in the first place.
I think you will find the reason there is a premium price in this product and Uk products are the price for manufacturing in the UK are massive........Wages, rates, Insurances etc etc...I think you'll find most working people here in the UK would rather earn a fair wage while at work and not a sweat shop to keep the product costs down and also choose to spend their money here in the UK to put something back into the system??
Although I am far from being in favour of the BMP!!! my reasons are simple as above.....quality and experience in the field to be able manufacture the product, and it's made here in the UK....that doesn't mean its rip off Briton, it means that is how much it costs to produce the product.
Quote:
I dont remember ever changing a sleeping bag because its faulty ... ive only had a handful of fishing style sleeping bags over the years ranging from the cheap and cheerful to, at the time top of range Trakker Armotexx . None have ever been changed because they were faulty, only changed for changes sake.
Well you never had a sundridge heat control for years, which was a great bag but the filling slowly compacted after too many washes so went as did my Goliath both after many years of use....(goliath second hand).
Again I will think with my feet for the obvious reasons above......I have placed my order and eagerly await its arrival.......its obviously not for you for reasons you state being too expensive/ UK made. You as well with think with your feet!