In reply to Post #238
Nothing personal mate honest - just highlighting how readily people generally just pass this stuff on with no thought at all.
If you (anyone) are on Facebook, Twitter etc you are being manipulated constantly (“Not” at least got that right) by so many agendas - all targeted especially for you.
That has always gone on throughout history but my god how f-ing easy has Zuckerbergs box made it.
One big (spending majority?) basket of eggs.
You'll have got that tweet because somewhere along the line you'll have shown yourself as someone who would pass it on. Whoever originated it knew it was false so why? Because it suits someone's agenda for disinformation to fudge the truth. Once the lawyers are involved all bets are off, 2 huge agendas there. There will be others too.
The truth isn't suppressed any more because it will always out in the end
At one point the most powerful man in the world couldn't even keep a cheeky BJ quiet, with only 2 people in the room!
The truth now is just part of an elaborate 3-card-trick - get it out there early on but surround it with enough contradicting, polarising but plausible conspiratorial options and even when it's obvious, a big enough percentage will not believe it anyway. Job done.
Of course no-one wants to believe their opinions are not entirely theirs and get uppity when you call them out to save face(book)
EDIT
I refuse to believe that Zuckerberg has any control over Facebook whatsoever - he's a figurehead now.
There's a conspiracy theory for you
Nothing personal mate honest - just highlighting how readily people generally just pass this stuff on with no thought at all.
If you (anyone) are on Facebook, Twitter etc you are being manipulated constantly (“Not” at least got that right) by so many agendas - all targeted especially for you.
That has always gone on throughout history but my god how f-ing easy has Zuckerbergs box made it.
One big (spending majority?) basket of eggs.
You'll have got that tweet because somewhere along the line you'll have shown yourself as someone who would pass it on. Whoever originated it knew it was false so why? Because it suits someone's agenda for disinformation to fudge the truth. Once the lawyers are involved all bets are off, 2 huge agendas there. There will be others too.
The truth isn't suppressed any more because it will always out in the end
At one point the most powerful man in the world couldn't even keep a cheeky BJ quiet, with only 2 people in the room!
The truth now is just part of an elaborate 3-card-trick - get it out there early on but surround it with enough contradicting, polarising but plausible conspiratorial options and even when it's obvious, a big enough percentage will not believe it anyway. Job done.
Of course no-one wants to believe their opinions are not entirely theirs and get uppity when you call them out to save face(book)
EDIT
I refuse to believe that Zuckerberg has any control over Facebook whatsoever - he's a figurehead now.
There's a conspiracy theory for you
In reply to Post #239
As would I mate - but automatically being suspected of wrongdoing doesn't happen to us on a daily basis I guess.
We can't understand all of it. But - as I tell my students - we CAN understand injustice and unfairness, and we CAN support people's right to stand against both - and we CAN stand with them.
'mostly law abiding' ...?
As would I mate - but automatically being suspected of wrongdoing doesn't happen to us on a daily basis I guess.
We can't understand all of it. But - as I tell my students - we CAN understand injustice and unfairness, and we CAN support people's right to stand against both - and we CAN stand with them.
'mostly law abiding' ...?
In reply to Post #241
funnily enough I havent been on twitter for over a year, but I heard about the anonymous stuff leaks and hacking and logged on because facebook seemingly ignored it was all happening. (just seen your edit...plays in to that well doesnt it)
I was very deep in a hole looking at all this stuff, i was there when the DC blackout stuff came up, which was discredited after a few hours. Funnily enough the active anonymous account did an experiment with a tweet asking for it not to be retweeted or commented on or anything. 5,000 retweets later it was clear bots were all over any tweet it was posting.
funnily enough I havent been on twitter for over a year, but I heard about the anonymous stuff leaks and hacking and logged on because facebook seemingly ignored it was all happening. (just seen your edit...plays in to that well doesnt it)
I was very deep in a hole looking at all this stuff, i was there when the DC blackout stuff came up, which was discredited after a few hours. Funnily enough the active anonymous account did an experiment with a tweet asking for it not to be retweeted or commented on or anything. 5,000 retweets later it was clear bots were all over any tweet it was posting.
In reply to Post #243
CV is certainly not the scariest viral scenario on the planet
CV is certainly not the scariest viral scenario on the planet
In reply to Post #244
not at all. I've said all along the drastic response to it was borne out of the West's provocative response to when it appeared in China, all we got from our side of the world was slating then and slagging them off whilst arrogantly believing it somehow wouldnt get here. When it did they couldnt then tell us that it isn't a hysterics inducing issue could they.
My county has a 0.19% infection rate, 0.06% death rate. Now why should we be that worried?
not at all. I've said all along the drastic response to it was borne out of the West's provocative response to when it appeared in China, all we got from our side of the world was slating then and slagging them off whilst arrogantly believing it somehow wouldnt get here. When it did they couldnt then tell us that it isn't a hysterics inducing issue could they.
My county has a 0.19% infection rate, 0.06% death rate. Now why should we be that worried?
In reply to Post #242
mostly law abiding
Well I do sometimes do 33 in 30mph area and I have taken pens and paper from work
I can understand the innocent being stopped and harassed for their colour bit but even though it was low crime over a fake $20 note this man broke the law and the police were called.
We all agree what has happened after was tragic and unnecessary but had he not broke the law the police would have not been called.
I hope that comes across the way it's intended.
mostly law abiding
Well I do sometimes do 33 in 30mph area and I have taken pens and paper from work
I can understand the innocent being stopped and harassed for their colour bit but even though it was low crime over a fake $20 note this man broke the law and the police were called.
We all agree what has happened after was tragic and unnecessary but had he not broke the law the police would have not been called.
I hope that comes across the way it's intended.
In reply to Post #246
Agree. If you watch a lot of the American police documentaries they deal with guns all the times and lots of officer have been shot. There are questions about how with was dealt with, without doubt. I do not believe kneeling on someone's neck is standard protocol. They tend to make them lay down, crawl onto they so they are close to their body and they cannot pull a gun on them. It's a sad state of affairs but of your life depends on it, then needs are a must
Agree. If you watch a lot of the American police documentaries they deal with guns all the times and lots of officer have been shot. There are questions about how with was dealt with, without doubt. I do not believe kneeling on someone's neck is standard protocol. They tend to make them lay down, crawl onto they so they are close to their body and they cannot pull a gun on them. It's a sad state of affairs but of your life depends on it, then needs are a must
In reply to Post #246
Yeah and it's right. Had he not allegedly broken the law he wouldn't have died. But it was the suspicion of the shop owner that caused it all. No one has yet confirmed if the $20 was fake or not. It's still being referred to as an ‘alleged fake bill' everywhere. How many times have you seen videos of who're people calling the police on black people because of a suspicion. Look at the father and son who killed that guy because they thought he was a thief. What about the lady in the park when the black guy asked her to control her dog, I bet he feared for his life when she did. They both happened in the last month. All over our media. You can't have missed them. Not every person that has the police confront them has committed a crime.
Take the time my brother was looking for cigarette filters in his glovebox, whilst sitting the passenger side of his car, it was 11:30pm and we were about to leave to head in to town. Police pull him over on suspicion of breaking in (fair enough) however after establishing it was his own vehicle they went on to accuse him of about to drink drive. Keys in his pocket and sitting in passenger side
I started laughing at them and asked for badge numbers and got threatened with arrest for some random public order offence. We tried to leave but they tried to stop us. They were very aggressive and physical the entire time, considering my brother is the most placid person known to man, a drunk me probably didn't help cracking up over their stupidity.
I dread to think what a black person would have been subject to. These officers got excited they were about to get a collar and couldn't let their buzz go once they were wrong about it. My brother didn't get the full stop and search or car search but I bet a black person would have done.
Yeah and it's right. Had he not allegedly broken the law he wouldn't have died. But it was the suspicion of the shop owner that caused it all. No one has yet confirmed if the $20 was fake or not. It's still being referred to as an ‘alleged fake bill' everywhere. How many times have you seen videos of who're people calling the police on black people because of a suspicion. Look at the father and son who killed that guy because they thought he was a thief. What about the lady in the park when the black guy asked her to control her dog, I bet he feared for his life when she did. They both happened in the last month. All over our media. You can't have missed them. Not every person that has the police confront them has committed a crime.
Take the time my brother was looking for cigarette filters in his glovebox, whilst sitting the passenger side of his car, it was 11:30pm and we were about to leave to head in to town. Police pull him over on suspicion of breaking in (fair enough) however after establishing it was his own vehicle they went on to accuse him of about to drink drive. Keys in his pocket and sitting in passenger side
I started laughing at them and asked for badge numbers and got threatened with arrest for some random public order offence. We tried to leave but they tried to stop us. They were very aggressive and physical the entire time, considering my brother is the most placid person known to man, a drunk me probably didn't help cracking up over their stupidity. I dread to think what a black person would have been subject to. These officers got excited they were about to get a collar and couldn't let their buzz go once they were wrong about it. My brother didn't get the full stop and search or car search but I bet a black person would have done.
In reply to Post #248
Nice to see someone favours "innocent until proven guilty" over "no smoke without fire"
Nice to see someone favours "innocent until proven guilty" over "no smoke without fire"
In reply to Post #248
" These officers got excited they were about to get a collar and couldn't let their buzz go once they were wrong about it"
I've been in the same position in the frame for rape and murder! - it ain't fun when you can see that regardless of the truth it could still go either way - and I'm white!
Bad apples on both sides blur the lines.
" These officers got excited they were about to get a collar and couldn't let their buzz go once they were wrong about it"
I've been in the same position in the frame for rape and murder! - it ain't fun when you can see that regardless of the truth it could still go either way - and I'm white!
Bad apples on both sides blur the lines.
In reply to Post #250
Keebs - you may be able to identify with my experiences when I was younger
I was regularly stopped on my way home from gigs when I was in my late teens / early 20's. If we'd been playing in driving distance of home, I'd usually do that rather than stay over. Stopped so many times and breathalysed. Asked on numerous occasions about drug use and was there any illegal substance in my car. One officer levelled with me and said 'to be fair, with your long hair, you look the type'. Suspicion by appearance...
dial that up by about a million and we are still not getting close to what happens to young black men every day here and in way more serious events in the US with gun happy cops...
Here's something to think about - if George Floyd's murder hadn't been caught on camera, do you think we'd have even heard about it, or would the man that killed him still be on the lookout for his next target?
Only one person's life was at risk in that arrest.
Keebs - you may be able to identify with my experiences when I was younger
I was regularly stopped on my way home from gigs when I was in my late teens / early 20's. If we'd been playing in driving distance of home, I'd usually do that rather than stay over. Stopped so many times and breathalysed. Asked on numerous occasions about drug use and was there any illegal substance in my car. One officer levelled with me and said 'to be fair, with your long hair, you look the type'. Suspicion by appearance...
dial that up by about a million and we are still not getting close to what happens to young black men every day here and in way more serious events in the US with gun happy cops...
Here's something to think about - if George Floyd's murder hadn't been caught on camera, do you think we'd have even heard about it, or would the man that killed him still be on the lookout for his next target?
Only one person's life was at risk in that arrest.
In reply to Post #246
You appear to miss the obvious when comparing UK policing to US policing. The UK has always worked on the Peelian principals of policing, police by consent. The US policing policy is very much more aggressive by design. Every confrontation must be "won" to show that they are the biggest baddest gang in town and they run it. Many factors have made the US police into what they are today. Punishment of law enforcement in the US is normally weak as the "gang" looks after its own. Situations like this will continue to happen because it's the normal behavior of many US police forces.
You appear to miss the obvious when comparing UK policing to US policing. The UK has always worked on the Peelian principals of policing, police by consent. The US policing policy is very much more aggressive by design. Every confrontation must be "won" to show that they are the biggest baddest gang in town and they run it. Many factors have made the US police into what they are today. Punishment of law enforcement in the US is normally weak as the "gang" looks after its own. Situations like this will continue to happen because it's the normal behavior of many US police forces.
In reply to Post #251
Of course - customs officers use profiling too.
Profiling is like professional gambling - it's a numbers game, the bean counters do the stats and the guys on the ground use them to fill the quotas, making best use of the budget.
Everything is run like a streamlined max-profit business now.
The investment is in systems not people, so the drones just blindly follow the system, path of least resistance.
My only saving grace on that day was an older cop who knew on instinct straight away I wasn't the droid they were looking for and made sure I was OK. (longest 12 hours of my life!)
Proper cop, I'm sure there's a lot of them out there, but like medical staff, teachers all sorts, they're so tied up in following ever- changing systems they never get the time or training to properly be what they are paid to be.
Of course - customs officers use profiling too.
Profiling is like professional gambling - it's a numbers game, the bean counters do the stats and the guys on the ground use them to fill the quotas, making best use of the budget.
Everything is run like a streamlined max-profit business now.
The investment is in systems not people, so the drones just blindly follow the system, path of least resistance.
My only saving grace on that day was an older cop who knew on instinct straight away I wasn't the droid they were looking for and made sure I was OK. (longest 12 hours of my life!)
Proper cop, I'm sure there's a lot of them out there, but like medical staff, teachers all sorts, they're so tied up in following ever- changing systems they never get the time or training to properly be what they are paid to be.
In reply to Post #248
I started laughing at them and asked for badge numbers
And people wonder why they get in a mess
I dread to think what a black person would have been subject to
I've asked the black people at work how they get on and they don't seem to have too much problem but then again they are sensible level headed chaps
I started laughing at them and asked for badge numbers
And people wonder why they get in a mess
I dread to think what a black person would have been subject to
I've asked the black people at work how they get on and they don't seem to have too much problem but then again they are sensible level headed chaps
In reply to Post #254
It was a mess beforehand. I admit I was drunk so was probably a bit more loud than normal. The aggression was well before I even started though. They thought my brother was a criminal so treated him like one. Even after they knew he wasn't.
It all depends on where you are and when. Not everyone will get them double standard treatment of course. The problem exists, just because it isn't everyone doesn't mean it doesn't. This is a point I made to a well educated friend earlier. He said “not all police are bad though, same as anglers not all of the poach and kill fish, not all football fans fight and cause havoc” my response was “it doesn't mean it isn't an issue though does it. A minority of anglers poach and we do our best to stop it, not all football fans are hooligans but we arrest and prosecute the ones that are, yet where is the same drive from authority to stamp out the rotten apples in the positions of power?” He didn't have an answer to it. If it happens to the 1%, it's 1% too many.
It was a mess beforehand. I admit I was drunk so was probably a bit more loud than normal. The aggression was well before I even started though. They thought my brother was a criminal so treated him like one. Even after they knew he wasn't.
It all depends on where you are and when. Not everyone will get them double standard treatment of course. The problem exists, just because it isn't everyone doesn't mean it doesn't. This is a point I made to a well educated friend earlier. He said “not all police are bad though, same as anglers not all of the poach and kill fish, not all football fans fight and cause havoc” my response was “it doesn't mean it isn't an issue though does it. A minority of anglers poach and we do our best to stop it, not all football fans are hooligans but we arrest and prosecute the ones that are, yet where is the same drive from authority to stamp out the rotten apples in the positions of power?” He didn't have an answer to it. If it happens to the 1%, it's 1% too many.