In reply to Post #191
Well if it has been used then these anglers have used it very effectively so know the exact amounts that work best. If you name the product you have to provide a best use guide otherwise people will overdose it if they can get their hands on it. Whether they'd do that regardless of a guide is what I was saying before anyway.
The long reaching repercussions of these individuals will be seen for years to come. Just close to the users you'd have job losses for these individuals, the vets and potentially farm staff, legal challenges against the individuals and teams they fish for in matches by PO'd people they beat and prosecutions for illegal use of a controlled substance for them, distribution for whoever is selling it and probably theft too.
In all honesty the above should happen and rightly so.
Go further though and you have the antis all over it and probably the general public hating on angling too. Which fishery owners start claiming the hormone use F'd spawning cycles up and fish died as a result and file civil claims. Not to mention potential environmental repercussions too.
Get the users named and shamed. Let fishery owners ban them if they so choose to. They will suffer quietly for their actions. Can't fish anywhere decent and they have no value to the industry any more.
Well if it has been used then these anglers have used it very effectively so know the exact amounts that work best. If you name the product you have to provide a best use guide otherwise people will overdose it if they can get their hands on it. Whether they'd do that regardless of a guide is what I was saying before anyway.
The long reaching repercussions of these individuals will be seen for years to come. Just close to the users you'd have job losses for these individuals, the vets and potentially farm staff, legal challenges against the individuals and teams they fish for in matches by PO'd people they beat and prosecutions for illegal use of a controlled substance for them, distribution for whoever is selling it and probably theft too.
In all honesty the above should happen and rightly so.
Go further though and you have the antis all over it and probably the general public hating on angling too. Which fishery owners start claiming the hormone use F'd spawning cycles up and fish died as a result and file civil claims. Not to mention potential environmental repercussions too.
Get the users named and shamed. Let fishery owners ban them if they so choose to. They will suffer quietly for their actions. Can't fish anywhere decent and they have no value to the industry any more.
In reply to Post #196
There's 4 brands which all differ slightly. So just by naming one of them you immediately put 4 of them out there. Something that used in extremely small doses in adult horses and cows being named without a recommended dose would lead to the same issues you are talking about with people guessing anyway
There's 4 brands which all differ slightly. So just by naming one of them you immediately put 4 of them out there. Something that used in extremely small doses in adult horses and cows being named without a recommended dose would lead to the same issues you are talking about with people guessing anyway
In reply to Post #196
You make some very valid points which I'll nod in agreement with. Thing is, as you know, there really as some special idiots out there that not only need saving from themselves, but also from the wider audience. Idiots handling chemicals that harm human life, really? It's bad enough when you get tools lump in 70kg of maize in tiny lakes in one go - seen it done - which just slowly rots away on the lakebed and that the fish just won't even touch, let alone a substance like what's being talked about in the aforementioned hands of said tools of which I dread to think of the consequences thereafter. The at all costs brigade, well, I don't think I need to spell it out.
I'd go as far as to say that something's are best left unsaid and I'll add that from what I've read so far, too much has been said already even if what has been mentioned has been added for constructive use.
You make some very valid points which I'll nod in agreement with. Thing is, as you know, there really as some special idiots out there that not only need saving from themselves, but also from the wider audience. Idiots handling chemicals that harm human life, really? It's bad enough when you get tools lump in 70kg of maize in tiny lakes in one go - seen it done - which just slowly rots away on the lakebed and that the fish just won't even touch, let alone a substance like what's being talked about in the aforementioned hands of said tools of which I dread to think of the consequences thereafter. The at all costs brigade, well, I don't think I need to spell it out.
I'd go as far as to say that something's are best left unsaid and I'll add that from what I've read so far, too much has been said already even if what has been mentioned has been added for constructive use.
In reply to Post #199
I'd agree that some things are better unsaid. The problem here is so much has been said already ..
I'd agree that some things are better unsaid. The problem here is so much has been said already ..
In reply to Post #198
You also have to consider the possibility that currently there MAY be one or two anglers on the odd water using said magic potion, what if that number went up to say, 20/30?
If I were a fishery owner, I'd be a tad worried right now. Maggots have been banned on occasion and they're considered "natural" but still cause pollution and bad water quality if enough of them are chucked in, gawd knows what this stuff might do (assuming that it's one of possible 20 odd dodgy prescription substances I've read about).
I have to say though, it's quite a fascinating subject once you start delving into it but I won't be chucking anything dodgy in my Koi pond any time soon just to find out, I just don't feel the need to catch a fish that badly and my livelihood doesn't depend on me doing that on a regular basis either so I'll just keep on plugging away with a tried and tested bait from someone respectable, at least the playing field is level then.
It will be interesting to see how this develops over the next few days given the subject seems to have gathered a bit of momentum.
You also have to consider the possibility that currently there MAY be one or two anglers on the odd water using said magic potion, what if that number went up to say, 20/30?
If I were a fishery owner, I'd be a tad worried right now. Maggots have been banned on occasion and they're considered "natural" but still cause pollution and bad water quality if enough of them are chucked in, gawd knows what this stuff might do (assuming that it's one of possible 20 odd dodgy prescription substances I've read about).
I have to say though, it's quite a fascinating subject once you start delving into it but I won't be chucking anything dodgy in my Koi pond any time soon just to find out, I just don't feel the need to catch a fish that badly and my livelihood doesn't depend on me doing that on a regular basis either so I'll just keep on plugging away with a tried and tested bait from someone respectable, at least the playing field is level then.
It will be interesting to see how this develops over the next few days given the subject seems to have gathered a bit of momentum.
In reply to Post #200
Totally, totally 👍
Totally, totally 👍
In reply to Post #201
Absolutely..
My hope is that it loses momentum and waters are no affected, we can then all fish fairly for our quarry.
Absolutely..
My hope is that it loses momentum and waters are no affected, we can then all fish fairly for our quarry.
Social media posts released from I guess (the accused) anglers tonight:
I would like to start off with saying thank you for all of the support I have received of late in regard of the false allegations, lies and defamation of character which have been made both directly and indirectly against me.
I have not responded earlier or discussed matters upon legal advice, also whilst evidence has been collated so the appropriate writs and claims for damages can be served accordingly to all persons involved with these false allegations with no evidence or proof against me.
I do not, or have Ever used any illicit substance's which cannot be used in and around an Aquatic environment.
I condemn any use of the alleged substances which have been suggested.
I can say that I have to date never seen another angler using such types of these so called “substance's”
I would say that to anyone who has created damaging content,posts, comments lies etc to consider your position, I will allow a 72hour window of opportunity for you to post an apology/retraction statement on your social media platforms or name who has given you false information to avoid any further legal action.
Again Thank you all who have supported me on this matter and that have been disgusted by the actions of a few, it has caused me a great deal of stress, issues and grief. Along with unnecessary abuse and mental impact. I do not wish for this to continue for ether myself or others as it will have a detrimental impact on their lives and well being.
Enjoy your fishing people
I would like to start off with saying thank you for all of the support I have received of late in regard of the false allegations, lies and defamation of character which have been made both directly and indirectly against me.
I have not responded earlier or discussed matters upon legal advice, also whilst evidence has been collated so the appropriate writs and claims for damages can be served accordingly to all persons involved with these false allegations with no evidence or proof against me.
I do not, or have Ever used any illicit substance's which cannot be used in and around an Aquatic environment.
I condemn any use of the alleged substances which have been suggested.
I can say that I have to date never seen another angler using such types of these so called “substance's”
I would say that to anyone who has created damaging content,posts, comments lies etc to consider your position, I will allow a 72hour window of opportunity for you to post an apology/retraction statement on your social media platforms or name who has given you false information to avoid any further legal action.
Again Thank you all who have supported me on this matter and that have been disgusted by the actions of a few, it has caused me a great deal of stress, issues and grief. Along with unnecessary abuse and mental impact. I do not wish for this to continue for ether myself or others as it will have a detrimental impact on their lives and well being.
Enjoy your fishing people
In reply to Post #204
Let's hope there is nothing in it. Just for the carp's sake.
Let's hope there is nothing in it. Just for the carp's sake.
In reply to Post #204
Something like this would never end up in court, its tit for tat! If you put yourself in the spotlight and are successful expect criticism as its part and parcel of life, if they have cheated it will come out, if they haven't it will be forgotten about shortly, its that simple
Something like this would never end up in court, its tit for tat! If you put yourself in the spotlight and are successful expect criticism as its part and parcel of life, if they have cheated it will come out, if they haven't it will be forgotten about shortly, its that simple
In reply to Post #206
Ive listened to the podcasts including the Nash one where KH gets asked about it by Hassan.. not actually seen or heard any evidence against anyone using hormones yet..
Might have been wise to document some evidence before discussing it On a rumour mill basis.
The 3 anglers who posted the same threats of legal action on Fb... other than they are all top anglers and all very successful... why them..it's certainly horrible to be accused if your innocent. Imagine if you got wrongly accused.
Carp chronicles follow up podcast sounded a little like covering themselves to me. They now suggest it's probably just some bait geeks at it? Again zero evidence presented.
If it has gone on hopefully all this will nip it in the bud.
Ive listened to the podcasts including the Nash one where KH gets asked about it by Hassan.. not actually seen or heard any evidence against anyone using hormones yet..
Might have been wise to document some evidence before discussing it On a rumour mill basis.
The 3 anglers who posted the same threats of legal action on Fb... other than they are all top anglers and all very successful... why them..it's certainly horrible to be accused if your innocent. Imagine if you got wrongly accused.
Carp chronicles follow up podcast sounded a little like covering themselves to me. They now suggest it's probably just some bait geeks at it? Again zero evidence presented.
If it has gone on hopefully all this will nip it in the bud.
In reply to Post #207
Apart from all the evidence they have but quite rightly won't use or have been asked not to use.
They did suggest a fishery owner comes out and bans it. Then we all know what it is without knowing who.
Apart from all the evidence they have but quite rightly won't use or have been asked not to use.
They did suggest a fishery owner comes out and bans it. Then we all know what it is without knowing who.
In reply to Post #208
Banned on all CWA waters. Statement put out a few days ago.
Banned on all CWA waters. Statement put out a few days ago.
In reply to Post #209
What substance would that be?
What substance would that be?
Has anyone stopped to think that if it was a hormone to stimulate some form of spawning response, wouldn't it also stimulate every other fish in the lake. As you can't get a carp specific hormone. It doesn't exist. In aquaculture they inject hormones directly to the broodstock but they aren't made specifically for carp.
Why aren't these anglers having mega hauls of bream and tench too?
Why aren't these anglers having mega hauls of bream and tench too?