In reply to Post #179
Not round me mate. I have a defiant and would love to use single sticks but even if its not platform's or manicured with hard-core and chippings. Its mud and rocks that take ages to screw the sticks in . You either get no purchase so they wobble or you hut a stone or rock.
Tried it a few times. Always end up sweating. Whereas the pod takes no time.
Not round me mate. I have a defiant and would love to use single sticks but even if its not platform's or manicured with hard-core and chippings. Its mud and rocks that take ages to screw the sticks in . You either get no purchase so they wobble or you hut a stone or rock.
Tried it a few times. Always end up sweating. Whereas the pod takes no time.
In reply to Post #181
And this one even less time as by the looks of it you don't even need to remove the alarms between uses
And this one even less time as by the looks of it you don't even need to remove the alarms between uses
In reply to Post #172
Fine thanks the pod itself is 2.6 kilo the 3.6 kilo complete with buzz bars alarms and back rests, i dont take the pod out of the boot of car unless im fishing a peg i know i need it.
Fine thanks the pod itself is 2.6 kilo the 3.6 kilo complete with buzz bars alarms and back rests, i dont take the pod out of the boot of car unless im fishing a peg i know i need it.
In reply to Post #182
I dont.
I dont.
im another pod user at all times, and have been since i bought the original Gardner pod in 1989 .... and since that day ive never battled with sticks, never worried about which terrain i might be fishing on and never needed to move bite alarms from one system to another (unless upgrading pod)
My little Nash KNX needs pegging down but my Defiant is a different box of skittles.
I sold.my 2 rod Defiant and bought a 3 rod one years ago from a chap on here. He had it made wider and the sticks shorter. I fish it two rod mostly so its like a set of parallel bars. It never,ever moves. I've stumbled into it and all it's done is cut me up LOL
I sold.my 2 rod Defiant and bought a 3 rod one years ago from a chap on here. He had it made wider and the sticks shorter. I fish it two rod mostly so its like a set of parallel bars. It never,ever moves. I've stumbled into it and all it's done is cut me up LOL
In reply to Post #185
Pretty mich the same here, had countless pods over the years but keep going back to defiant. I'm happy with the one I have now. I did have a couple of forays into banksticks and buzzbars (dymag) but could never get on with how they flex and twist all the time.
Pretty mich the same here, had countless pods over the years but keep going back to defiant. I'm happy with the one I have now. I did have a couple of forays into banksticks and buzzbars (dymag) but could never get on with how they flex and twist all the time.
In reply to Post #187
yep Defiant for me aswell
yep Defiant for me aswell
In reply to Post #188
Definitely,very good price,better materials,hand crafted and made to order for your requirements.
Definitely,very good price,better materials,hand crafted and made to order for your requirements.
In reply to Post #189
But that's the difference isn't it. They are made to order. Let's say Jag sell 5000 of these, which isn't an unrealistic amount considering they sell all over Europe. How long do you think you'd be waiting for a pod from Defiant if you were order number 5000?
You've got bespoke individually made stuff from companies like Defiant. Then you've got mass produced Chinese pony for any number of other companies sold cheap. Then you've got Jag and to be fair probably Solar somewhere in the middle of the two. As well crafted as a lot of the bespoke stuff but without the wait times and with the convenience of being able to order from a number of outlets. If you want a part for a solar pod you don't have to phone locky and ask him do you? You go online or pop to the tackle shop.
You're not really comparing like for like there. I'm sure If Defiant decided to sell in greater volumes and through numerous European retailers then their prices would need to reflect that as well.
There's plenty of guys who want stuff right now. Next day delivery. From an online retailer. That requires enormous amounts of stock to be in circulation. These sorts of people are not going to wait for a bespoke product to be made. I waited I think ten weeks for my mark1 dillo from Aqua to be made. Which I didn't care about at all. But along came trakker and said look we can knock these out in no time and sell them through the shops and the rest is history.
Same thing. Different animals.
But that's the difference isn't it. They are made to order. Let's say Jag sell 5000 of these, which isn't an unrealistic amount considering they sell all over Europe. How long do you think you'd be waiting for a pod from Defiant if you were order number 5000?
You've got bespoke individually made stuff from companies like Defiant. Then you've got mass produced Chinese pony for any number of other companies sold cheap. Then you've got Jag and to be fair probably Solar somewhere in the middle of the two. As well crafted as a lot of the bespoke stuff but without the wait times and with the convenience of being able to order from a number of outlets. If you want a part for a solar pod you don't have to phone locky and ask him do you? You go online or pop to the tackle shop.
You're not really comparing like for like there. I'm sure If Defiant decided to sell in greater volumes and through numerous European retailers then their prices would need to reflect that as well.
There's plenty of guys who want stuff right now. Next day delivery. From an online retailer. That requires enormous amounts of stock to be in circulation. These sorts of people are not going to wait for a bespoke product to be made. I waited I think ten weeks for my mark1 dillo from Aqua to be made. Which I didn't care about at all. But along came trakker and said look we can knock these out in no time and sell them through the shops and the rest is history.
Same thing. Different animals.
In reply to Post #190
So people are paying a premium for a mass produced item made from inferior materials.I get what you mean about the numbers but Keith has also never had to advertise his product.He has been busy through word of mouth,the guy I fish with took one look at my carbon/titanium pod and ordered one straight away.I just don't think JAG need to be as expensive as they're,what justifies their prices over Keith's.Im not trying to say JAG are not good but considering they have all the machinery and probably buy their materials in bulk and more than likely make millions a year from their other parts of the business.Im sure they could charge less for their products but why would they when they sell so much at the prices they charge
So people are paying a premium for a mass produced item made from inferior materials.I get what you mean about the numbers but Keith has also never had to advertise his product.He has been busy through word of mouth,the guy I fish with took one look at my carbon/titanium pod and ordered one straight away.I just don't think JAG need to be as expensive as they're,what justifies their prices over Keith's.Im not trying to say JAG are not good but considering they have all the machinery and probably buy their materials in bulk and more than likely make millions a year from their other parts of the business.Im sure they could charge less for their products but why would they when they sell so much at the prices they charge
In reply to Post #191
Economies of scale dear boy. Yes the parent company makes other stuff, but the machines cost millions of pounds, if you are turning out thousands of items a year, bank sticks, pods, lockdowns indicators etc etc then you ain't knocking those volumes out on a single bit of kit, and then there's the staffing costs, for the CNC machinists, assembly staff, production staff, media guys, admin staff etc etc. Then factor in what it must cost to actually run a place like that, god knows what the electricity bills must be, but I bet they are terrifying. Then you've got packaging, and distribution. All those costs to just get the product to a shop. Then the shop puts on its mark up. I've got no idea what that might be as I've never worked in the trade, but I know from my own business that's gonna be 25-30% of the retail cost at least and we haven't taken into account the cost of the raw materials yet, which if my industry is anything to go by have gone through the roof in the last 18 months.
I've got no idea what they make on an item of tackle, I wouldn't be so rude as to ask, in the same way that I'm sure they wouldn't ask me about my business profits, but taking all of the above into account. I bet they aren't making anything like the profit you think they are on each item.
You could ask this question of a lot of fishing tackle. How can a trakker bivvy mass produced in a Chinese sweat shop cost over a grand? I don't know?
Economies of scale dear boy. Yes the parent company makes other stuff, but the machines cost millions of pounds, if you are turning out thousands of items a year, bank sticks, pods, lockdowns indicators etc etc then you ain't knocking those volumes out on a single bit of kit, and then there's the staffing costs, for the CNC machinists, assembly staff, production staff, media guys, admin staff etc etc. Then factor in what it must cost to actually run a place like that, god knows what the electricity bills must be, but I bet they are terrifying. Then you've got packaging, and distribution. All those costs to just get the product to a shop. Then the shop puts on its mark up. I've got no idea what that might be as I've never worked in the trade, but I know from my own business that's gonna be 25-30% of the retail cost at least and we haven't taken into account the cost of the raw materials yet, which if my industry is anything to go by have gone through the roof in the last 18 months.
I've got no idea what they make on an item of tackle, I wouldn't be so rude as to ask, in the same way that I'm sure they wouldn't ask me about my business profits, but taking all of the above into account. I bet they aren't making anything like the profit you think they are on each item.
You could ask this question of a lot of fishing tackle. How can a trakker bivvy mass produced in a Chinese sweat shop cost over a grand? I don't know?
In reply to Post #191
Since when has 316 stainless been inferior, jag also machine and finish their pods to an extremely high standard that I haven't seen bettered. Now price they like said produce many other products and don't have a dedicated facility just for angling products. How much would Keith's products cost if branded and displayed in packaging through a network of tackle shops. On a personal note I want a pod with some weight to it for the stability it offers, also this forum has for many years been a free advertising platform for defiant, how many would have heard of them without the forum.
Since when has 316 stainless been inferior, jag also machine and finish their pods to an extremely high standard that I haven't seen bettered. Now price they like said produce many other products and don't have a dedicated facility just for angling products. How much would Keith's products cost if branded and displayed in packaging through a network of tackle shops. On a personal note I want a pod with some weight to it for the stability it offers, also this forum has for many years been a free advertising platform for defiant, how many would have heard of them without the forum.
In reply to Post #192
Without knowing the exact milling machines you can only guess cost ( most south of a million though ) or how economic on power they are, with regards to staff cost I e no idea of numbers.
Do Nag do the anodising or do they outsource it ? That's a specialists fee
Without knowing the exact milling machines you can only guess cost ( most south of a million though ) or how economic on power they are, with regards to staff cost I e no idea of numbers.
Do Nag do the anodising or do they outsource it ? That's a specialists fee
In reply to Post #192
That will be why the greedy *******s/Jim are now selling direct? I bet their loyal customers that helped him build the business are very pleased.
That will be why the greedy *******s/Jim are now selling direct? I bet their loyal customers that helped him build the business are very pleased.