In reply to Post #170
It has done that exactly for me and my lake. I don't intend on visiting there until certain anglers have left, as regardless of whether they're using something dodgy they create a crap atmosphere. A syndicate is only as good as its membership. Only takes a few egos or inconsiderate anglers to mess up the fishing for others.
It has done that exactly for me and my lake. I don't intend on visiting there until certain anglers have left, as regardless of whether they're using something dodgy they create a crap atmosphere. A syndicate is only as good as its membership. Only takes a few egos or inconsiderate anglers to mess up the fishing for others.
In reply to Post #182
I don't intend on visiting there until certain anglers have left, as regardless of whether they're using something dodgy they create a crap atmosphere.
Taking it a bit far imo mate.
I totally agree that if they're using this stuff then it's time to get livid, but if they're not then you can't just give up because better anglers are present.
I don't intend on visiting there until certain anglers have left, as regardless of whether they're using something dodgy they create a crap atmosphere.
Taking it a bit far imo mate.
I totally agree that if they're using this stuff then it's time to get livid, but if they're not then you can't just give up because better anglers are present.
In reply to Post #183
No problem with better anglers at all, as I'm very much you're average Joe. I'm lucky enough to have 3 good tickets. Two of them have a nice atmosphere and all the anglers get on well, so I'm just choosing to fish there instead.
No problem with better anglers at all, as I'm very much you're average Joe. I'm lucky enough to have 3 good tickets. Two of them have a nice atmosphere and all the anglers get on well, so I'm just choosing to fish there instead.
In reply to Post #184
In what way are they causing a bad atmosphere?
If it's not just catching more is it a case of them being ****holes? Tbh those named so far come across as alright to me (not that I've met them personally).
In what way are they causing a bad atmosphere?
If it's not just catching more is it a case of them being ****holes? Tbh those named so far come across as alright to me (not that I've met them personally).
In reply to Post #180
So it's better to keep quite and have people guessing and chucking who knows what into the water? Nah, not a chance.
So it's better to keep quite and have people guessing and chucking who knows what into the water? Nah, not a chance.
In reply to Post #186
I get that. But even if it's named there needs to be an instruction on how to use it. Which no one wants because it shows to the outside world you're advocating it's use. Do you really think even with an idiots guide there won't be the same idiots that you think will Chuck anything and everything in playing the guessing game, that overdose the stuff even when told because they don't have common sense and understand science.
I get that. But even if it's named there needs to be an instruction on how to use it. Which no one wants because it shows to the outside world you're advocating it's use. Do you really think even with an idiots guide there won't be the same idiots that you think will Chuck anything and everything in playing the guessing game, that overdose the stuff even when told because they don't have common sense and understand science.
In reply to Post #186
I'm of the opinion that the product in question should not be named simply due to too many morons out there that if they could get their hands on it could cause huge problems, not only to themselves and those around them when handling such a thing, also the environmental factors/water courses/detrimental effects.
If someone wants to contact the EA and bring this up with them, all that someone has to say there is a possibility of this being used and let them deal with it like inform clubs, fishery owners etc. Absolutely no need to say what this stuff is at all.
I'm of the opinion that the product in question should not be named simply due to too many morons out there that if they could get their hands on it could cause huge problems, not only to themselves and those around them when handling such a thing, also the environmental factors/water courses/detrimental effects.
If someone wants to contact the EA and bring this up with them, all that someone has to say there is a possibility of this being used and let them deal with it like inform clubs, fishery owners etc. Absolutely no need to say what this stuff is at all.
In reply to Post #188
That would open up an even bigger can of worms. Due to the product(s) they'd have to disclose to DEFRA and in turn natural england would be privy to the info, and there's plenty of anti anglers in NE believe you me.
That would open up an even bigger can of worms. Due to the product(s) they'd have to disclose to DEFRA and in turn natural england would be privy to the info, and there's plenty of anti anglers in NE believe you me.
In reply to Post #188
Couldn't agree more. Voicing the name is like printing The Anarchist Cookbook and not expecting someone to follow through and make a bomb. The thing I find very suspicious is how hard certain people are trying to find out what it's called.
Couldn't agree more. Voicing the name is like printing The Anarchist Cookbook and not expecting someone to follow through and make a bomb. The thing I find very suspicious is how hard certain people are trying to find out what it's called.
In reply to Post #187
There can't be an instruction to use because it's not meant to be used. That would be condoning it which isn't going to happen with the vast majority of anglers. These guys (if guilty) are doing it for financial gain (winning matches etc) ,not for their love of the sport . Name and shame the saying goes. All we've had so far is some very muddled stories, a very guilty looking guy trying to answer awkward questions (which was a wind up if anyone believes that bs) and some guesses on various online platforms. Angling needs to be forthcoming on this, prove it's just a few bad eggs using this stuff ,and deal with that quickly. Not bury its head in the sand, keep quiet and hope it goes away. Cos that ain't happening. When things are kept hush it just gets worse. The Chinese kept covid hush and we all know where how that's gone so far.....
There can't be an instruction to use because it's not meant to be used. That would be condoning it which isn't going to happen with the vast majority of anglers. These guys (if guilty) are doing it for financial gain (winning matches etc) ,not for their love of the sport . Name and shame the saying goes. All we've had so far is some very muddled stories, a very guilty looking guy trying to answer awkward questions (which was a wind up if anyone believes that bs) and some guesses on various online platforms. Angling needs to be forthcoming on this, prove it's just a few bad eggs using this stuff ,and deal with that quickly. Not bury its head in the sand, keep quiet and hope it goes away. Cos that ain't happening. When things are kept hush it just gets worse. The Chinese kept covid hush and we all know where how that's gone so far.....
In reply to Post #190
If that last comment is aimed at me then you really are barking up the wrong tree.
If that last comment is aimed at me then you really are barking up the wrong tree.
In reply to Post #189
I take your point, and it's a very good point too 👍
I take your point, and it's a very good point too 👍
In reply to Post #190
"The thing I find very suspicious is how hard certain people are trying to find out what it's called."
Ha ha, read my mind 👈
"The thing I find very suspicious is how hard certain people are trying to find out what it's called."
Ha ha, read my mind 👈
In reply to Post #191
It's a really bad idea mentioning what this gear is, after all, it's not like there isn't rake loadsa unscrupulous types willing to sell illicit drugs on the daily is there. I'm sure if someone is determined enough, something like what's being discussed wouldn't be that hard to get hold of, and then where would we be?
It's a really bad idea mentioning what this gear is, after all, it's not like there isn't rake loadsa unscrupulous types willing to sell illicit drugs on the daily is there. I'm sure if someone is determined enough, something like what's being discussed wouldn't be that hard to get hold of, and then where would we be?
In reply to Post #195
Of course it's not without risk, but imo the risk of people guessing and using "insert any chemical " the repercussions could be even greater. Keeping things hushed creates a very guilty look. Fact is this is being discussed openly on various platforms , so all it looks like to people not involved in angling is that there is a very successful but very dangerous substance being used and that it's being kept quiet because we know it's wrong. People were very quick to jump on Korda for goo, all the flouroscene talk, and wanted them condemned and yet now this comes up, and now we should all keep quiet? It's going to come out one way or another, and the sooner it does the sooner it can be dealt with properly,and all the guess work and potentially dangerous experiments that some will no doubt be doing can stop . This creates so many more problems than just this one substance.
Of course it's not without risk, but imo the risk of people guessing and using "insert any chemical " the repercussions could be even greater. Keeping things hushed creates a very guilty look. Fact is this is being discussed openly on various platforms , so all it looks like to people not involved in angling is that there is a very successful but very dangerous substance being used and that it's being kept quiet because we know it's wrong. People were very quick to jump on Korda for goo, all the flouroscene talk, and wanted them condemned and yet now this comes up, and now we should all keep quiet? It's going to come out one way or another, and the sooner it does the sooner it can be dealt with properly,and all the guess work and potentially dangerous experiments that some will no doubt be doing can stop . This creates so many more problems than just this one substance.