In reply to Post #214
Thought this could do with a Bump and heres some links to the hand cleaner Ken uses
Desderman Gel 50ml
Desderman Gel 150ml
Desderman N Hand Disinfectant Gel 1lit
Thought this could do with a Bump and heres some links to the hand cleaner Ken uses
Desderman Gel 50ml
Desderman Gel 150ml
Desderman N Hand Disinfectant Gel 1lit
In reply to Post #216
This is a very good thread with excellent information as anglers we are at increased risk of catching weils disease but also we should also be aware of lyme's disease which can have very bad side effects and I believe can lay dormant in your system for many years it is caught via the bite of a tick and only about 50% of infected bites show the Bullseye Rash which is a sign of the disease.
I was lucky in that when I was bitten whilst in France last May 09 that about 3 months after I noticed a red rash had appeared on my leg nothing strange in that you may think, except that the rash was a perfect circle about 40mm thick like the outer ring of a bullseye and it was lucky that, that evening whilst reading through threads on this site that a thread mentioned the bullseye rash in conection with lymes disease, it was then I did a search on it on the net and must admit to being very worried after reading what it can do to you, another problem is that very few gp's are lyme literate I actually told my gp what I thought it was so he took blood samples and then had to look up the prescribed treatment to give me. As it turned out 2 weeks anti-biotics are all thats required. So please all make sure that if you do get a tick please make sure you remove it fully and also check the symptoms online as it really is another nasty disease we are at risk from but luckily not as common as most.
Stay safe Dean
This is a very good thread with excellent information as anglers we are at increased risk of catching weils disease but also we should also be aware of lyme's disease which can have very bad side effects and I believe can lay dormant in your system for many years it is caught via the bite of a tick and only about 50% of infected bites show the Bullseye Rash which is a sign of the disease.
I was lucky in that when I was bitten whilst in France last May 09 that about 3 months after I noticed a red rash had appeared on my leg nothing strange in that you may think, except that the rash was a perfect circle about 40mm thick like the outer ring of a bullseye and it was lucky that, that evening whilst reading through threads on this site that a thread mentioned the bullseye rash in conection with lymes disease, it was then I did a search on it on the net and must admit to being very worried after reading what it can do to you, another problem is that very few gp's are lyme literate I actually told my gp what I thought it was so he took blood samples and then had to look up the prescribed treatment to give me. As it turned out 2 weeks anti-biotics are all thats required. So please all make sure that if you do get a tick please make sure you remove it fully and also check the symptoms online as it really is another nasty disease we are at risk from but luckily not as common as most.
Stay safe Dean
Too much information now.
Kens post 12's a good summary of information, couple this with the hand washes / precautions and it could be a valuable sticky if anybody could put it all together?
Been fishing a venue this weekend with water voles and it makes you a bit paranoid, the amount of stuff you handle when fishing is unreal when you think about it, hang stuff in tree's wherever possible or keep it in your tent, unhooking mats, landing nets and pods etc. are prime areas
Would it be worth mentioning venues of particular attention, as well as raising the anglers awareness it may cause the owners to take some serious action? after all your health is more important then any carp 
Kens post 12's a good summary of information, couple this with the hand washes / precautions and it could be a valuable sticky if anybody could put it all together?
Been fishing a venue this weekend with water voles and it makes you a bit paranoid, the amount of stuff you handle when fishing is unreal when you think about it, hang stuff in tree's wherever possible or keep it in your tent, unhooking mats, landing nets and pods etc. are prime areas
Would it be worth mentioning venues of particular attention, as well as raising the anglers awareness it may cause the owners to take some serious action? after all your health is more important then any carp
Good to see you on the mend Ken. When i was an external engineer it was some thing that was brought to our attention we all carried card that can be presented to their doctor if symptoms appear. This means they can be diagnosed and treated quickly, reducing the likelihood of severity of infection.
Weils gets all the press but the other one that people like my self that rough shoot as well as clime through fields to get to bits of rivers is Lyme disease. Lyme disease, (borreliosis), is an infection spread to humans by ticks infected with the the borrelia micro-organism. The disease is spread by ticks when they bite the skin in search of blood. The disease is not contagious from an affected person to someone else and not all ticks carry
the bacterium. This occurs at the site of the tick bite 3 to 32 days after being bitten. The rash is red, and may be warm, but is generally painless. (Lyme disease can progress to later stages even in patients who do not develop a rash.) This can also be very nasty.
Weils gets all the press but the other one that people like my self that rough shoot as well as clime through fields to get to bits of rivers is Lyme disease. Lyme disease, (borreliosis), is an infection spread to humans by ticks infected with the the borrelia micro-organism. The disease is spread by ticks when they bite the skin in search of blood. The disease is not contagious from an affected person to someone else and not all ticks carry
the bacterium. This occurs at the site of the tick bite 3 to 32 days after being bitten. The rash is red, and may be warm, but is generally painless. (Lyme disease can progress to later stages even in patients who do not develop a rash.) This can also be very nasty.
Bump to keep this on the first page......
I'm just off to the hospital again for my 2nd dose of anti's for suspected WD.....will find out for definite once I see the micro biologists.
but boy have I felt rough over the weekend......
If in doubt...get your ass to A&E .
I'm just off to the hospital again for my 2nd dose of anti's for suspected WD.....will find out for definite once I see the micro biologists.
but boy have I felt rough over the weekend......If in doubt...get your ass to A&E .
In reply to Post #222
Where can I get one of these cards? I bang on about WD to my mates who all find it highly amusing, people need to be more aware of this danger. I have happily washed my pots and pans in the margins before and then reused them but are alot more vigilant now.
Where can I get one of these cards? I bang on about WD to my mates who all find it highly amusing, people need to be more aware of this danger. I have happily washed my pots and pans in the margins before and then reused them but are alot more vigilant now.
In reply to Post #223
Probably easier to make one up yourself mate if you have access to a laminator.
Just back from the hospital, and the docs are still not 100% sure if I have actually contracted Leptospirosis or if it's a Viral infection, either way my Liver and Protein counts are up enough to warrant the intravenous anti biotics.....just need to see how I get on for the rest of the week.....got the district nurse coming round for the next cpl of days to do the drip and canula so at least I don't have to trapse backwards and forwards to the hospital evry day!!
Just like to thank Ken and everyone else who has contributed to this thread, if it wasn't for the info posted in here, I might not have even got as far as the hospital.
Probably easier to make one up yourself mate if you have access to a laminator.
Just back from the hospital, and the docs are still not 100% sure if I have actually contracted Leptospirosis or if it's a Viral infection, either way my Liver and Protein counts are up enough to warrant the intravenous anti biotics.....just need to see how I get on for the rest of the week.....got the district nurse coming round for the next cpl of days to do the drip and canula so at least I don't have to trapse backwards and forwards to the hospital evry day!!
Just like to thank Ken and everyone else who has contributed to this thread, if it wasn't for the info posted in here, I might not have even got as far as the hospital.
In reply to Post #223
I will dig my one out and copy it and post it up some time tonight
I will dig my one out and copy it and post it up some time tonight
In reply to Post #225
There you go print it off laminate it keep it with you
There you go print it off laminate it keep it with you
In reply to Post #226
Good topic and im glad ken is making a full recovery. My heart goes out to anyone who has had it, i know two people over the years who have had it. One was a lad from my army days. We quite often got made to swim through lakes and rivers etc. I would like to make a personal point about it though.
Before eveyone starts wraping up in cotton wool and worrying about catching weils desease, think about this. You could quite easily catch it from taking your rubbish out to the bin, having a picnic with the family next to a lake, or one of the biggest threats, drinking out of bottles at a pub or club, Rats and other rodents are all over the place so its not just when you are fishing. Do you think about where your tins of beans have been sitting when you open them. Probably some warehouse for a few months where mice,rats etc are common ground. In England and Wales, leptospirosis (Weils Desease) is very rare, with an average of 40 cases being reported each year. Since 1996.
Its something that never really enters my mind when fishing, if it was we would all be a bag of nerves. Just have to be careful with personal admin.
Good topic and im glad ken is making a full recovery. My heart goes out to anyone who has had it, i know two people over the years who have had it. One was a lad from my army days. We quite often got made to swim through lakes and rivers etc. I would like to make a personal point about it though.
Before eveyone starts wraping up in cotton wool and worrying about catching weils desease, think about this. You could quite easily catch it from taking your rubbish out to the bin, having a picnic with the family next to a lake, or one of the biggest threats, drinking out of bottles at a pub or club, Rats and other rodents are all over the place so its not just when you are fishing. Do you think about where your tins of beans have been sitting when you open them. Probably some warehouse for a few months where mice,rats etc are common ground. In England and Wales, leptospirosis (Weils Desease) is very rare, with an average of 40 cases being reported each year. Since 1996.
Its something that never really enters my mind when fishing, if it was we would all be a bag of nerves. Just have to be careful with personal admin.
In reply to Post #227
Lee Merritt was rushed to hospital with Weil's disease last week also Ken I also know of two other angler that have caught it.. The reasons for the low notification rate is due to failure to recognise the disease, A lot of the time its put down to flu. Got to say its not that common but well worth knowing about one of my friends would be dead if it was not for the Dr. that treated him in hospital was an angler they got talking and he put 2 & 2 together.
Lee Merritt was rushed to hospital with Weil's disease last week also Ken I also know of two other angler that have caught it.. The reasons for the low notification rate is due to failure to recognise the disease, A lot of the time its put down to flu. Got to say its not that common but well worth knowing about one of my friends would be dead if it was not for the Dr. that treated him in hospital was an angler they got talking and he put 2 & 2 together.
In reply to Post #228
i went to my doctor after feeling like i had been run over by a bus when i pointed out that i was a fisherman and could it be wiels as the symptoms seemed the same my doc told me that he had only ever come across 2 cases and in both the people were bleeding from there eyes nose etc.
i went to my doctor after feeling like i had been run over by a bus when i pointed out that i was a fisherman and could it be wiels as the symptoms seemed the same my doc told me that he had only ever come across 2 cases and in both the people were bleeding from there eyes nose etc.
In reply to Post #229
Just to add some perspective, think about the number of anglers in the UK who fish regularly and then think about the number of cases.....
Of course take precautions and use anti-bac gel, waterproof anti-septic plasters and such but if you get a cold a few days/weeks after fishing don't do your nut worrying about it. The chances are it is just a genuine cold, the type you'd pick up at work or anywhere for that matter.
Awareness is great, but undue worry isn't. If you're really bad at home then do the sensible thing and mention it to your GP, otherwise 100% relax.
Just to add some perspective, think about the number of anglers in the UK who fish regularly and then think about the number of cases.....
Of course take precautions and use anti-bac gel, waterproof anti-septic plasters and such but if you get a cold a few days/weeks after fishing don't do your nut worrying about it. The chances are it is just a genuine cold, the type you'd pick up at work or anywhere for that matter.
Awareness is great, but undue worry isn't. If you're really bad at home then do the sensible thing and mention it to your GP, otherwise 100% relax.
In reply to Post #224
Ask for a blood sample to be sent to Hereford...They will know what you are talking about!
Believe it or not, there is only one lab in the whole of the UK who can do a definitive blood test for WD...How shocking is that
Ask for a blood sample to be sent to Hereford...They will know what you are talking about!
Believe it or not, there is only one lab in the whole of the UK who can do a definitive blood test for WD...How shocking is that
In reply to Post #228
Hello all,
I thought I should post this as a bit of a warning to everyone.
I have just spent 11 days seriously ill in Broomfield Hospital Chelmsford with Weil's Disease (Leptospirosis).
I'm pretty sure I must have contracted it while barbel fishing on the River Wye around the Symonds Yat area.
As I'm sure most of you will know that the disease is carried and passed on in the urine of infected rats. This can enter the body via a cut or through the mouth, nose or eyes. The incubation period for the disease is anything from 3-28 days. I can only describe the symptoms as starting off like flu - aching all over and a severe headache, nausea then changing to almost malaria like symptoms with a 39c temperature and uncontrollable shivering, chest pain, sweating and a rash on one shin which ulcerated.
The worrying thing is because it's not that common the cases are often mis-diagnosed or not recorded. I was lucky because I was originally diagnosed with pnuemonia but due to my sister-in-laws quick thinking, adding up the symptoms and my visit to the Wye everything fell into place, although the doctors weren't convinced at first.
The treatment was then changed to huge doses of the strongest IV antibiotics which soon started to work on the illness.
Weil's is something we are all aware of but possibly don't take enough precautions against it. When I go fishing next I am going to take some sanitising wipes or a spray to use before eating sandwiches etc. and also making sure any cuts or scrapes are covered with a waterproof dressing.
I was lucky because the disease didn't enter the second phase which can result in kidney or liver failure.
See here for more info http://www.leptospirosis.org/topic.php?t=30
Martyn
Hello all,
I thought I should post this as a bit of a warning to everyone.
I have just spent 11 days seriously ill in Broomfield Hospital Chelmsford with Weil's Disease (Leptospirosis).
I'm pretty sure I must have contracted it while barbel fishing on the River Wye around the Symonds Yat area.
As I'm sure most of you will know that the disease is carried and passed on in the urine of infected rats. This can enter the body via a cut or through the mouth, nose or eyes. The incubation period for the disease is anything from 3-28 days. I can only describe the symptoms as starting off like flu - aching all over and a severe headache, nausea then changing to almost malaria like symptoms with a 39c temperature and uncontrollable shivering, chest pain, sweating and a rash on one shin which ulcerated.
The worrying thing is because it's not that common the cases are often mis-diagnosed or not recorded. I was lucky because I was originally diagnosed with pnuemonia but due to my sister-in-laws quick thinking, adding up the symptoms and my visit to the Wye everything fell into place, although the doctors weren't convinced at first.
The treatment was then changed to huge doses of the strongest IV antibiotics which soon started to work on the illness.
Weil's is something we are all aware of but possibly don't take enough precautions against it. When I go fishing next I am going to take some sanitising wipes or a spray to use before eating sandwiches etc. and also making sure any cuts or scrapes are covered with a waterproof dressing.
I was lucky because the disease didn't enter the second phase which can result in kidney or liver failure.
See here for more info http://www.leptospirosis.org/topic.php?t=30
Martyn