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Big baits 18/20ml or bigger. (30 posts / 6,658 views)
maplecream
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Post #1 4 Jun 2022 13:58
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Does anyone use a boilie only approach with big baits? Is there a situation when anyone would these days?
Or are we all mostly fishing over bits n bobs?
Haven't used a boilie only approach since the early 90s myself, just wondered if some still do and catch well.
snapper1 snapper1
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Post #2 4 Jun 2022 14:13
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On and off, worked late 70,s for me big hand rolled
Works now, time and place, only difference now I don't freeline them, had a few bite offs back then
Deadeye Deadeye
Posts: 1,310
Post #3 4 Jun 2022 14:46
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In reply to Post #1
Often worth a go if the majority of other anglers are using small feed out of a bait boat.
mark1009
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Post #4 4 Jun 2022 18:37
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I'd give it a go in the Autumn when water temperature is not too high and fish are in a mood to feed hard.
Neil_no_Fish
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Post #5 4 Jun 2022 21:01
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I use 18mm boilie only atm fishing for hungry 20s and 30s they love it chop some up to but 85% boilie. Just bought some 20mm red halibut pellet to mix with them too will be having one of them on 1 rod for sure.
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #6 4 Jun 2022 22:25
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Of course. last few fish I've had have been on 18mm hard hookers topped with yellow barrels, fished over mixed size freebies

bear in mind to even a small carp 18mm isn't a huge bait, and I find 22mm to be a really good bait size to be "different".

the only disadvantage is you get less to the kilo
Ynnek
Posts: 890
Post #7 5 Jun 2022 01:00
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I uses to fish a certain venue with 24mm. It was a good bait and resulted in a proper amount of fish. The moment I put in the same weight of 14mm I caught even more fish.
But I found out it was all about the number of baits you put out. More 24mm's also yielded to more takes but as mozzi said you've got less of them per kg bait. This also means it has its place and time. My experience is that a 24mm approach isn't as succesful as a 12mm approach when the takes are slow.
mark1009
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Post #8 5 Jun 2022 01:26
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A kg of any bait is a kg of bait. It's a fact bigger fish will eat more bait than smaller fish. When they are having it big time. Big baits will probably, not always, deter the smaller fish.
I always use 3 sizes of bait and often 2 different baits. To keep them guessing. Different levels of baiting and different sizes at different times of year. Sometimes more is more. Sometimes less is best. Are you feeding a shoal or catching 1 large fish. Only you can tell.
Mozzi Mozzi
Posts: 1,900
Post #9 5 Jun 2022 01:32
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You misunderstand. change the statement a bit.

A kilo of 24mm bait is not the same amount of baits as a kilo of 18mm baits.

I've got the exact figures somewhere but the mass of a 15mm is about 1.7cm3 and an 18mm is over 3 cm3 so nearly double the mass for a 3mm increase is diameter.

its totally dependant on how you want the fish.

the difference is mass and resultant water turbulence to bring them into the carps mouth is the biggest advantage of fishing mixed size baits in my opinion. it results in better hook holds in my experience.
mark1009
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Post #10 5 Jun 2022 01:50
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When I use big baits I.e 20mm or bigger I use wafters on the hook. Various sizes keeps them guessing and a wafter hookbait will catch them out. More small baits will keep more fish in the swim for longer but do you want to catch more small fish or a few bigger ones. You can catch big fish on small baits. However it's unlikely if there are loads of small fish to contend with. I'd happily use small baits in cold water if it was a low stocked water.
Ynnek
Posts: 890
Post #11 5 Jun 2022 09:13
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I believe you can do much more selective angling by adjusting the attractivity of your bait rather than just size.
Mozzi Mozzi
Posts: 1,900
Post #12 5 Jun 2022 13:56
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That is rubbish sorry. I've seen huge fish landed on tiny hookbaits and feed and cricket bait commons over 10kg of 18/26mm dumbells.

If it fits it fits.
Mozzi Mozzi
Posts: 1,900
Post #13 5 Jun 2022 13:58
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I do think more subtle bait can trick bigger fish. But then what's more subtle a bait with loads of food liquids of an empty bait with high levels of artificial flavour?

I think there's definitely a balance and I've certainly been to venues where bait has been too attractive
jhhilton1983 jhhilton1983
Posts: 1,950
Post #14 6 Jun 2022 07:06
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About 5 years ago i fished a water that had a huge amount of bream in it, due to this you could only fish 18mm+ baits and it was more of a numbers game to get through to the carp. I found that the larger the bait the less bream you had to deal with, so ended up on 22mm baits which you had to spomb in due to the gulls on a routine rotation of dive bombing your spots.
Frenzy Frenzy
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Post #15 6 Jun 2022 08:50
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I dont, but a mate of mine only uses 24mm hook baits, he swears by them, and i must admit, the hook holds seem very good. He says its due to the fish having to suck and blow harder to eject.

makes sense i guess
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