With the baitworks January sale about to start was looking at ordering some bait.
Was just wondering if anyone has used there Atlantic Heat in the shelf life's, and how do they compare to the freezer baits.
Was just wondering if anyone has used there Atlantic Heat in the shelf life's, and how do they compare to the freezer baits.
In reply to Post #1
Very good bait with no real difference compared to the freezer bait.......very soft though so get some hard hookers if ordering some......
Very good bait with no real difference compared to the freezer bait.......very soft though so get some hard hookers if ordering some......
In reply to Post #2
The last lot I ordered were very fresh aswell, although I order shelf life they turned in about 10 days.
The last lot I ordered were very fresh aswell, although I order shelf life they turned in about 10 days.
In reply to Post #2
I'd suggest 99% of the shelf life's available today are preserved with a combination of potassium sorbate and mono propylene glycol.
The MPG is a humectant and keeps baits looking moist. It's how pva friendly particle is made. Cooked, spread out whilst hot to maximise how much the steam can evaporate then coated in MPG and left for a day or two. I believe pva friendly tigers are reheated once dry then a small amount applied as they're very pourous.
Tge potassium sorbate is a mould inhibitor and does what it says on the tin, around a gram or two per kilo and an extra few hours drying compared to feed bait which is dried around 4-8 hours commercially.
There is nothing wrong with either of these ingredients unless you want to produce “active” baits, as I say all reputable sellers use it
I'd suggest 99% of the shelf life's available today are preserved with a combination of potassium sorbate and mono propylene glycol.
The MPG is a humectant and keeps baits looking moist. It's how pva friendly particle is made. Cooked, spread out whilst hot to maximise how much the steam can evaporate then coated in MPG and left for a day or two. I believe pva friendly tigers are reheated once dry then a small amount applied as they're very pourous.
Tge potassium sorbate is a mould inhibitor and does what it says on the tin, around a gram or two per kilo and an extra few hours drying compared to feed bait which is dried around 4-8 hours commercially.
There is nothing wrong with either of these ingredients unless you want to produce “active” baits, as I say all reputable sellers use it
In reply to Post #3
When you say go off in 10 days is that once you've opened the bag?
When you say go off in 10 days is that once you've opened the bag?
In reply to Post #4
How do you know "all reputable sellers use it"? You can't possibly know what all bait companies use, or if there are alternatives which you don't know about.
How do you know "all reputable sellers use it"? You can't possibly know what all bait companies use, or if there are alternatives which you don't know about.
I use baitworks shelf life all the time now.
I started using them a few years ago when they were out of freezer baits when I went in to collect.
They last for ages (I've got some in garage that are nearly a year old and they are fine)
I'm no expert but I can't tell the difference between their shelf life and freezer and seem to catch just as many fish
I started using them a few years ago when they were out of freezer baits when I went in to collect.
They last for ages (I've got some in garage that are nearly a year old and they are fine)
I'm no expert but I can't tell the difference between their shelf life and freezer and seem to catch just as many fish
In reply to Post #5
Yes the bag I opened started to go abit white after about 10 days or so
Yes the bag I opened started to go abit white after about 10 days or so
In reply to Post #4
I thought that potassium sorbate was one of the things considered a no-no nowadays?
I thought that potassium sorbate was one of the things considered a no-no nowadays?
In reply to Post #9
Think again, it appears to be in every bottle of cordial?
Think again, it appears to be in every bottle of cordial?
In reply to Post #9
Lots of bait makers use it. That's not the same as saying all bait makers use it.
Lots of bait makers use it. That's not the same as saying all bait makers use it.
In reply to Post #6
Because they're food safe, widely available, of decent value and I speak to absolutely loads of fellow producers, why nit pick on another thread just to start arguments?
Because they're food safe, widely available, of decent value and I speak to absolutely loads of fellow producers, why nit pick on another thread just to start arguments?
In reply to Post #9
On the contrary my friend it's one of the best to use. Any company that produces shelf life's virtually identical to freezer baits will be using it, it's extremely effective at low doses and food safe, it's in a hell of a lot of the stuff we eat and drink, certainly I'd think, in this country, if you drink fizzy drink, beer, or eat a sandwich or pastie, cake, virtually anything you haven't grown yourself I reckon has a good 25% chance of having the stuff in it.
Dependant on the natural stability of the rest of the mix this additive can be used at anything from .5 to 3 g per kilo on average.
On the contrary my friend it's one of the best to use. Any company that produces shelf life's virtually identical to freezer baits will be using it, it's extremely effective at low doses and food safe, it's in a hell of a lot of the stuff we eat and drink, certainly I'd think, in this country, if you drink fizzy drink, beer, or eat a sandwich or pastie, cake, virtually anything you haven't grown yourself I reckon has a good 25% chance of having the stuff in it.
Dependant on the natural stability of the rest of the mix this additive can be used at anything from .5 to 3 g per kilo on average.
In reply to Post #13
I won't name the company but I know the bait I buy has it in. I don't think it has any adverse effects and use the bait with confidence. Baits that are "active" are a different entity, and need to be freezer only as far as I'm aware.
I won't name the company but I know the bait I buy has it in. I don't think it has any adverse effects and use the bait with confidence. Baits that are "active" are a different entity, and need to be freezer only as far as I'm aware.
In reply to Post #14
The only time you can really get away with it is loading the bait with saturation levels of MPG and using egg powder, which to me is a vastly different end product to the original.
I've never noticed a difference in catch rates with pot sorb added. I don't usually sell shelf life but I experiment with all the ingredients I can access.
It has a symbiotic effect when used with citric acid, a gram of pot sorb and five of citric, maybe 30ml MPG per kilo and you'll have a bait to last a year at least!
The only time you can really get away with it is loading the bait with saturation levels of MPG and using egg powder, which to me is a vastly different end product to the original.
I've never noticed a difference in catch rates with pot sorb added. I don't usually sell shelf life but I experiment with all the ingredients I can access.
It has a symbiotic effect when used with citric acid, a gram of pot sorb and five of citric, maybe 30ml MPG per kilo and you'll have a bait to last a year at least!