Guys.
I'm having fish spooking off the good old Nash bread bomb, they know the band is around the bread, its bloody spooky. Has anyone else had this happen? Any thoughts?
I'm having fish spooking off the good old Nash bread bomb, they know the band is around the bread, its bloody spooky. Has anyone else had this happen? Any thoughts?
In reply to Post #1
My mate has lots, he said he reverted back to only bread and caught,
My mate has lots, he said he reverted back to only bread and caught,
Keep the bread and lose the bomb?!
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How do you know they are spooking off a rubber band. I don't want come across arsey but I some times wonder if we give carp too much credit. Maybe bread is not the most effective bait at the moment?
How do you know they are spooking off a rubber band. I don't want come across arsey but I some times wonder if we give carp too much credit. Maybe bread is not the most effective bait at the moment?
I don't believe carp are that smart, I caught 6 last Saturday using a pop up among a scattering of Tesco mixers.
A method I always use, it's all about getting them feeding confidently before fishing for them.
A method I always use, it's all about getting them feeding confidently before fishing for them.
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If we follow your hypothesis, surely whenever we put out a baited rig we'd always catch on every single water in this country, why is this not the case?
Edited: aimed at post #5
If we follow your hypothesis, surely whenever we put out a baited rig we'd always catch on every single water in this country, why is this not the case?
Edited: aimed at post #5
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Do the fish get regularly fished for off the top? If so, I'd suggest that either something looks wrong to them, big fat line, the angle in which they're coming at the bait throwing a silhouette that's spooking them, or every time they
see a bed of bait on the top with a similar object in amongst it all, one of their mates gets a hook in its chops, fish bolt in all directions as a result making them nervous when confronted by a similar situation = association to a perceived danger, imprinted on their subconscious minds.
Fish definitely do associate things with danger. You could fish a place that has never seen a spomb, after some time, the fish will associate big beds of bait as dangerous and will spook off, that's why fishing small free offerings work so well in such cases.
Do the fish get regularly fished for off the top? If so, I'd suggest that either something looks wrong to them, big fat line, the angle in which they're coming at the bait throwing a silhouette that's spooking them, or every time they
see a bed of bait on the top with a similar object in amongst it all, one of their mates gets a hook in its chops, fish bolt in all directions as a result making them nervous when confronted by a similar situation = association to a perceived danger, imprinted on their subconscious minds.
Fish definitely do associate things with danger. You could fish a place that has never seen a spomb, after some time, the fish will associate big beds of bait as dangerous and will spook off, that's why fishing small free offerings work so well in such cases.
In reply to Post #7
So true
So true
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5 acre lake good head of carp , everybody , in a bivy with 3 rods , I bloke on a bread bomb hammering it, don't take long to get the carp well spooky and then u go down to size 12 and tiny baits , happens all the time ,
5 acre lake good head of carp , everybody , in a bivy with 3 rods , I bloke on a bread bomb hammering it, don't take long to get the carp well spooky and then u go down to size 12 and tiny baits , happens all the time ,
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That fine to ask mate. Yes, fish taking bread off the top, but not over confident. I moved to the margins so no line on the water and fish would take a non bomb piece under my feet, but when I put the bomb in, they refused it really took me by surprise over 50 years of carp fishing, never seen such spooky fish.
That fine to ask mate. Yes, fish taking bread off the top, but not over confident. I moved to the margins so no line on the water and fish would take a non bomb piece under my feet, but when I put the bomb in, they refused it really took me by surprise over 50 years of carp fishing, never seen such spooky fish.
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Two things spring to mind. 1) are you loading a big enough chunk of bread? .. I have found half a slice of good fresh sliced bread rolled into a small swiss roll is very effective in many ways. 2) It may be that straight from the packet the Nash Bread Bombs have some production residues that are present that the fish can detect, I routinely cover mine with a standard liquid "attractant" even though I have never had the problem.
Two things spring to mind. 1) are you loading a big enough chunk of bread? .. I have found half a slice of good fresh sliced bread rolled into a small swiss roll is very effective in many ways. 2) It may be that straight from the packet the Nash Bread Bombs have some production residues that are present that the fish can detect, I routinely cover mine with a standard liquid "attractant" even though I have never had the problem.
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wash the nash bread bomb in a liquid "attractant" prior to use .... this will remove any adverse production residue and human deposits the fish might notice. Never had the problem but it could help.
wash the nash bread bomb in a liquid "attractant" prior to use .... this will remove any adverse production residue and human deposits the fish might notice. Never had the problem but it could help.
I have not used the "bread bomb' but a few years back I was fishing aa easy water and I could not get a touch on bread off the surface despite the fact the lad about 100 yards down the bank and his friend was pulling them out on bread.
When we packed up we had to pass these two lads and they showed us what they was doing.
They put a small piece of crust on the hook and then about a foot up the line, they was wrapping the main line around a full slice of bread which was rolled up, dunking it in the water to add some weight and cast it out.
And the carp just went mad for it and took the small piece of crust floating next to the slice of bread. But a single piece of crust, they just spooked off it.
Basically, it's an idea from the 60's and 70's that is in some carp book I have, maybe an early Jim Gibbinson one but I think they had the piece of crust sinking below the slice of bread.
When we packed up we had to pass these two lads and they showed us what they was doing.
They put a small piece of crust on the hook and then about a foot up the line, they was wrapping the main line around a full slice of bread which was rolled up, dunking it in the water to add some weight and cast it out.
And the carp just went mad for it and took the small piece of crust floating next to the slice of bread. But a single piece of crust, they just spooked off it.
Basically, it's an idea from the 60's and 70's that is in some carp book I have, maybe an early Jim Gibbinson one but I think they had the piece of crust sinking below the slice of bread.
In reply to Post #13
Love it, I'll try and remember that
Love it, I'll try and remember that
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Yes , an old idea, but a good one which still works. Like many others.
Yes , an old idea, but a good one which still works. Like many others.