what is your idea of the ''perfect'' pop up?
what attractors would you want to use?
essential oil, hydros, flavors, food based cork ball, pop up mix?
just want a brainstorming thread as its an area i want to improve on this season now im happy with my feed mix.
for me im doing well on the Polaris base with salmon oil and mulberry flavoring but i want to improve it.
what attractors would you want to use?
essential oil, hydros, flavors, food based cork ball, pop up mix?
just want a brainstorming thread as its an area i want to improve on this season now im happy with my feed mix.
for me im doing well on the Polaris base with salmon oil and mulberry flavoring but i want to improve it.
In reply to Post #1
A perfect pop up is one that actually stays popped up 😂🤣
A perfect pop up is one that actually stays popped up 😂🤣
In reply to Post #2
Rule one of pop up club!! And ruined by most!😂
Rule one of pop up club!! And ruined by most!😂
I don't think you could beat a corkball with true food value to it. In the depths of winter I will chuck a few over flavoured bright ones about but I am convinced over a season you will catch more on a corkball with true food value
In reply to Post #5
i want to hear what people look for in their hook baits, i may of worded my original post badly.
i want to hear what people look for in their hook baits, i may of worded my original post badly.
In reply to Post #4
i try to do this as best i can with my airball mix, few EO's and some hydro so the actual bait has food signals rather than an in your face colour and some flavouring (which does work sometimes
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i try to do this as best i can with my airball mix, few EO's and some hydro so the actual bait has food signals rather than an in your face colour and some flavouring (which does work sometimes
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The last thing I would choose would be a corkball, far preferring to use cork dust or dedicated popup mix..
In reply to Post #7
your trying to create food value in a pop up mix. If you use corkballs it's already done no need to limit the amount of additives or hydro because of buoyancy. Cork dust is next to useless for a pop up.
your trying to create food value in a pop up mix. If you use corkballs it's already done no need to limit the amount of additives or hydro because of buoyancy. Cork dust is next to useless for a pop up.
In reply to Post #9
It's like this, there are times when you need something small, visual, loaded with attractors and by that I mean a blend of powder and liquids (this extends the life of its attraction). The mistake anglers make is that they think that it must blow your head off and be strong to our nose. Our nose is irrelevant! However, by the same token, those high visual hi attract hookbaits can become the kiss of death when the carp have been hammered on them all spring. This is when something that is made with hydro liquids, liver, fishmeal, and dull colours really come into play. The visual aspect won't spook them (as much) and the fact it hopefully looks and tastes like a free offering can work to your advantage. Very few companies (I can't think of any) use hydro liquids or fishmeal or anything other than dye in a pop up mix as all that happens is you make a wafter. A matching food bait pop up should be exactly that, looks similar to a freebie and contain similar additives. An over flavoured blank rock hard pop up does absolutely nothing for me apart from offer visual attraction. The best hookbaits I have ever used have very similar properties but at opposite ends of the spectrum (I'm not giving away too many secrets 😉
. One last thing. How far away from your hookbait do you think a carp can taste it? Not see it, taste it?? This is the reply to the original post!
It's like this, there are times when you need something small, visual, loaded with attractors and by that I mean a blend of powder and liquids (this extends the life of its attraction). The mistake anglers make is that they think that it must blow your head off and be strong to our nose. Our nose is irrelevant! However, by the same token, those high visual hi attract hookbaits can become the kiss of death when the carp have been hammered on them all spring. This is when something that is made with hydro liquids, liver, fishmeal, and dull colours really come into play. The visual aspect won't spook them (as much) and the fact it hopefully looks and tastes like a free offering can work to your advantage. Very few companies (I can't think of any) use hydro liquids or fishmeal or anything other than dye in a pop up mix as all that happens is you make a wafter. A matching food bait pop up should be exactly that, looks similar to a freebie and contain similar additives. An over flavoured blank rock hard pop up does absolutely nothing for me apart from offer visual attraction. The best hookbaits I have ever used have very similar properties but at opposite ends of the spectrum (I'm not giving away too many secrets 😉
. One last thing. How far away from your hookbait do you think a carp can taste it? Not see it, taste it?? This is the reply to the original post!
In reply to Post #10
How far away from your hookbait do you think a carp can taste it? Not see it, taste it??
That is a very good question and I will be interested in what people think. From my point of view I have to assume by "taste" you mean detect. If this is the case I would say they will detect my baits from several feet above my baits and a few feet down stream if there is any undertow. Otherwise I doubt it is very far but I may be way out. I suspect during daylight they see it before they detect it by any other sense.
How far away from your hookbait do you think a carp can taste it? Not see it, taste it??
That is a very good question and I will be interested in what people think. From my point of view I have to assume by "taste" you mean detect. If this is the case I would say they will detect my baits from several feet above my baits and a few feet down stream if there is any undertow. Otherwise I doubt it is very far but I may be way out. I suspect during daylight they see it before they detect it by any other sense.
In reply to Post #10
How far away from your hookbait do you think a carp can taste it?
Love this question. Asked it myself before and got daft answers so sitting back and waiting to see what others say
How far away from your hookbait do you think a carp can taste it?
Love this question. Asked it myself before and got daft answers so sitting back and waiting to see what others say
In reply to Post #10
One last thing. How far away from your hookbait do you think a carp can taste it? Not see it, taste it??
My guess from experience, and observations, they can detect a soluble liquid / food source of potential interest from at least 3 to 6 feet away
One last thing. How far away from your hookbait do you think a carp can taste it? Not see it, taste it??
My guess from experience, and observations, they can detect a soluble liquid / food source of potential interest from at least 3 to 6 feet away
In reply to Post #13
They can see pop ups from several metres away, I have watched one deviate from his choice of direction to swim straight to white bait which was roughly 8/9 metres away and pick it straight up. But that in my eyes is a sight thing
When you watch carp casually swimming along (at rest or unaware of any of our presence) and high Up off the lakebed, they show signs that clearly indicate when they have tasted/sensed something edible below and it can be either slamming the brakes on, sticking fins out, or a sudden circular searching action. I have seen carp do this over two 6mm trout pellets in 8 foot of water and then drop down on them and eat them. I have seen them locate dull brown pop up single hookbaits from 6/7 metres away but not swam directly at them but rather searching nearer and nearer which suggests they can sense them but not actually see them (rather like a dog using its nose in long grass)
The point I'm getting at is that a carp can find tiny trace elements diluted in water that we would think would be impossible.......yet we have doubts that our neon pink foul smelling tuna or squid pop up might be missed by most carp 😂😂😂
Pop ups......great for attracting hungry carp and presenting over Mucky lakebeds, but also a warning flare for any pressured remotely clever tricky old fish at certain times of the year. We make pop ups that are proven carp catchers but the one thing I know is that no single pop up works at every stage of the calendar year. Bright in spring and winter seems a great choice, dull food baits after about may is my preferred choice. Find a lake nobody else fishes and bright attract baits will catch all year round 😉
They can see pop ups from several metres away, I have watched one deviate from his choice of direction to swim straight to white bait which was roughly 8/9 metres away and pick it straight up. But that in my eyes is a sight thing
When you watch carp casually swimming along (at rest or unaware of any of our presence) and high Up off the lakebed, they show signs that clearly indicate when they have tasted/sensed something edible below and it can be either slamming the brakes on, sticking fins out, or a sudden circular searching action. I have seen carp do this over two 6mm trout pellets in 8 foot of water and then drop down on them and eat them. I have seen them locate dull brown pop up single hookbaits from 6/7 metres away but not swam directly at them but rather searching nearer and nearer which suggests they can sense them but not actually see them (rather like a dog using its nose in long grass)
The point I'm getting at is that a carp can find tiny trace elements diluted in water that we would think would be impossible.......yet we have doubts that our neon pink foul smelling tuna or squid pop up might be missed by most carp 😂😂😂
Pop ups......great for attracting hungry carp and presenting over Mucky lakebeds, but also a warning flare for any pressured remotely clever tricky old fish at certain times of the year. We make pop ups that are proven carp catchers but the one thing I know is that no single pop up works at every stage of the calendar year. Bright in spring and winter seems a great choice, dull food baits after about may is my preferred choice. Find a lake nobody else fishes and bright attract baits will catch all year round 😉
In reply to Post #9
Cork granules work fine for pop ups, the good thing is you can maximise the base mix amount per hookbait and get the buoyancy required fairly easily, which generally ends up as being a higher percentage of attraction compared to a corkball.
Cork granules work fine for pop ups, the good thing is you can maximise the base mix amount per hookbait and get the buoyancy required fairly easily, which generally ends up as being a higher percentage of attraction compared to a corkball.
In reply to Post #10
'Very few companies (I can't think of any) use hydro liquids or fishmeal or anything other than dye in a pop up mix'
There are a few that do it properly, and the baits made like this catch more fish when put in the right place at the right time, simple as that. I see it like the 'basic' baits are like candy in a sweet shop, you'll get the juveniles interested and maybe pick them up, but if you are after a mature experienced carp you have to work a bit harder on the recipe, much like a fine chef would for a discerning diner. Combining this recipe with a complimentary feed bait can only improve your chance of holding the fish in the area longer of course..
'Very few companies (I can't think of any) use hydro liquids or fishmeal or anything other than dye in a pop up mix'
There are a few that do it properly, and the baits made like this catch more fish when put in the right place at the right time, simple as that. I see it like the 'basic' baits are like candy in a sweet shop, you'll get the juveniles interested and maybe pick them up, but if you are after a mature experienced carp you have to work a bit harder on the recipe, much like a fine chef would for a discerning diner. Combining this recipe with a complimentary feed bait can only improve your chance of holding the fish in the area longer of course..