Hi All
I was talking with an old friend overnight who owns a venue and his stock has dropped around 15% of weight due to the lack of customers during covid.
His lake is fairly gnarly and has lots of natural foods, I'm thinking some of the "designer" lakes that lack natural food sources will suffer even worse.
Anyone got any thoughts?
Best
Jon
I was talking with an old friend overnight who owns a venue and his stock has dropped around 15% of weight due to the lack of customers during covid.
His lake is fairly gnarly and has lots of natural foods, I'm thinking some of the "designer" lakes that lack natural food sources will suffer even worse.
Anyone got any thoughts?
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #1
Doesn't surprise me one bit Jon. One of the waters I was on insisted on you putting in 5kg good quality boilie each 24 hour visit in addition to the fish being fed a supplementary diet of particles, while they grew. How much must the owner be feeding them now to maintain thei weight
Doesn't surprise me one bit Jon. One of the waters I was on insisted on you putting in 5kg good quality boilie each 24 hour visit in addition to the fish being fed a supplementary diet of particles, while they grew. How much must the owner be feeding them now to maintain thei weight
In reply to Post #2
Hi Vossy
His lake is currently frozen over, he's worried about the amount of stock he'll lose during the thaw considering the big weight loses before the freeze. I'm thinking the naturals he has in his lake should get him through, but I'm also thinking some venues may be in a lot of trouble
Best
Jon
Hi Vossy
His lake is currently frozen over, he's worried about the amount of stock he'll lose during the thaw considering the big weight loses before the freeze. I'm thinking the naturals he has in his lake should get him through, but I'm also thinking some venues may be in a lot of trouble
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #3
I don't think you're wrong Jon, there are a lot of overstocked waters around nowadays and waters where the fish are reliant on baits, just par for the course in todays modern Carp angling scene. I'd imagine a lot of commercial match fisheries will be in the same position.
I don't think you're wrong Jon, there are a lot of overstocked waters around nowadays and waters where the fish are reliant on baits, just par for the course in todays modern Carp angling scene. I'd imagine a lot of commercial match fisheries will be in the same position.
In reply to Post #1
my lakes fish have been quite interesting this yr.
I shut it down for the 1st lockdown period until we were allowed to fish it, then i restricted the amount of anglers to 2 per 24 hr period, to discourage social distancing etc (its only a small lake)
so very little bait went in at all.
some of the fish have maintained their weight, some dropped 2lbs ish and others gained, but no where the weights that they have done previously.
there are approx 32 carp in it, very natural, not over stocked
my lakes fish have been quite interesting this yr.
I shut it down for the 1st lockdown period until we were allowed to fish it, then i restricted the amount of anglers to 2 per 24 hr period, to discourage social distancing etc (its only a small lake)
so very little bait went in at all.
some of the fish have maintained their weight, some dropped 2lbs ish and others gained, but no where the weights that they have done previously.
there are approx 32 carp in it, very natural, not over stocked
In reply to Post #5
Hmm, we'll never know for sure but I'm guessing it might be fish dependent.
Those that maintained a preference for naturals, those that lost a preference for bait, those that gained...now you've got me
preference for both and can switch at ease (ignoring spawn)
Drawing a parallel for no good reason other than discussion, I wonder if fish take time to switch digestability of bait, a bit like humans trying a low carb high fat diet. Most naturals must be mostly water, most man made baits the exact opposite.
Hmm, we'll never know for sure but I'm guessing it might be fish dependent.
Those that maintained a preference for naturals, those that lost a preference for bait, those that gained...now you've got me
preference for both and can switch at ease (ignoring spawn)Drawing a parallel for no good reason other than discussion, I wonder if fish take time to switch digestability of bait, a bit like humans trying a low carb high fat diet. Most naturals must be mostly water, most man made baits the exact opposite.
In reply to Post #5
Perhaps the fish are showing what happens with natural food levels and they are healthy and lean. The large fish in the 60/80s and previously had taken many years to reach their weights, mostly on natural foods supplemented by a small number of anglers baits.
Now 4 year old fish reared for stock can achieve mid double weights. When released into heavily stocked waters an enormous amount of quality baits and feed is needed to maintain and increase weights in the unatural biomass of fish. Fishery owners/manager are looking for weight gains that are only achievable in closely managed domesticated animals, which is what the fish in the majority of fisheries are. In popular commercial fisheries many metric tonnes of bait go in on a monthly basis. Without it the fish will lose weight and quickly starve.
In a wild lake with a good supply of natural food a small population the fish will be fine, although growth may be paused.
Another point to note is the short life expectancy of many of these force fed obese giants.
Perhaps the fish are showing what happens with natural food levels and they are healthy and lean. The large fish in the 60/80s and previously had taken many years to reach their weights, mostly on natural foods supplemented by a small number of anglers baits.
Now 4 year old fish reared for stock can achieve mid double weights. When released into heavily stocked waters an enormous amount of quality baits and feed is needed to maintain and increase weights in the unatural biomass of fish. Fishery owners/manager are looking for weight gains that are only achievable in closely managed domesticated animals, which is what the fish in the majority of fisheries are. In popular commercial fisheries many metric tonnes of bait go in on a monthly basis. Without it the fish will lose weight and quickly starve.
In a wild lake with a good supply of natural food a small population the fish will be fine, although growth may be paused.
Another point to note is the short life expectancy of many of these force fed obese giants.
In reply to Post #7
Im happy they are happy on naturals, i quite like it when they dont get caught anyway
Im happy they are happy on naturals, i quite like it when they dont get caught anyway
In reply to Post #1
Like said supplemental feeding will / should help.
Who's to say that a drop in weight will be that bad for the fish unless they solely rely on anglers bait? Suppose it's not good for business with reduced weights.
Gives an idea how much bait goes in and how the fish eat an awful lot of it.
Like said supplemental feeding will / should help.
Who's to say that a drop in weight will be that bad for the fish unless they solely rely on anglers bait? Suppose it's not good for business with reduced weights.
Gives an idea how much bait goes in and how the fish eat an awful lot of it.
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In reply to Post #7
Hi lance
"Another point to note is the short life expectancy of many of these force fed obese giants."
Great point to make....
Best
Jon
Hi lance
"Another point to note is the short life expectancy of many of these force fed obese giants."
Great point to make....
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #11
Thanks Jon.its my belief theres a lot more to carp care than fancy cradles and it starts with absolute respect for the Carp and their environment.
Thanks Jon.its my belief theres a lot more to carp care than fancy cradles and it starts with absolute respect for the Carp and their environment.
In reply to Post #5
there are approx 32 carp in it, very natural, not over stocked
A very rare thing these days Joss
there are approx 32 carp in it, very natural, not over stocked
A very rare thing these days Joss
Hi All
I think that most who know my posts know my knowledge is heavily based on Eastern European fishing, I'm certain covid will have an effect on stocked lakes that rely on anglers to feed them. I'm coming to the conclusion that it's a disaster waiting to happen.
I know a French lake that's been missing 400 kilos a week under covid.
I pray I'm wrong
Best
Jon
I think that most who know my posts know my knowledge is heavily based on Eastern European fishing, I'm certain covid will have an effect on stocked lakes that rely on anglers to feed them. I'm coming to the conclusion that it's a disaster waiting to happen.
I know a French lake that's been missing 400 kilos a week under covid.
I pray I'm wrong
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #13
indeed mate, an old estate lake that i prefer to keep it as it is as much as possible.
weve stocked some crucians too! love 'em
indeed mate, an old estate lake that i prefer to keep it as it is as much as possible.
weve stocked some crucians too! love 'em