Just wondering how you guys like syndicate fishing? Seeing it more and more over here (Netherlands), but having a difficult time appreciating it so far. What did it do for carp fishing in the UK? Positives / negatives?
In reply to Post #1
I can't think of a water that is a real syndicate in the true sense of the word whereby members pay X amount yearly and the fish reared in X water are sold on for a profit and that profit is shared among syndicate members, a bit like a horse racing betting syndicate or lotto syndicate.
What you essentially pay for is the privilege of fishing X water without any benefits. These types of waters have been around well before I started to fish exclusively for carp. The cost of joining depends on many things, the rental cost of land if it's not owned outright, the greed of the person running the operation, size and sheer head of of fish.
There are publicly owned waters with public access that claim to be syndicates, again, no benefits other than the ability to be able to fish X water for X amount of cash.
There is a trend that some places like the Grenville syndicate in Cambridge for instance crams vast amounts of fish into a place and charge £1800 which goes up every proceeding year. This isn't a new phenomena, and I'll estimate that the likes of Grenville are a template for the future. There are waters that I'm sure will and do buck the Grenville trend.
What is it like to fish these syndicate waters:
It can be a very mixed bag depending on who runs the place and who owns the land. I've fished places as small as 4 acres that are just muddy holes in a farmer's field, yet charge £550 yearly, with no real parking, no facilities, litter everywhere, a 50 member limit yet after the initial 50 tickets are sold, you hear of the person running.the place has just sold another 10 tickets, and then in the winter opens the place up for a "winter syndicate" for another load of anglers paying.£300 for 5 months fishing. There are places like Wrasbury on the other end of the scale that is a world apart for the aforementioned syndicate *experience*.
What are the anglers like that fish these syndicates:
As a very general rule of thumb and sliding scale (with exceptions as always) the larger the water, the fewer the stock, the better/ more respectful the angler and less annoying/ irritating on the whole those anglers tend to be regardless of membership cost.
I can't think of a water that is a real syndicate in the true sense of the word whereby members pay X amount yearly and the fish reared in X water are sold on for a profit and that profit is shared among syndicate members, a bit like a horse racing betting syndicate or lotto syndicate.
What you essentially pay for is the privilege of fishing X water without any benefits. These types of waters have been around well before I started to fish exclusively for carp. The cost of joining depends on many things, the rental cost of land if it's not owned outright, the greed of the person running the operation, size and sheer head of of fish.
There are publicly owned waters with public access that claim to be syndicates, again, no benefits other than the ability to be able to fish X water for X amount of cash.
There is a trend that some places like the Grenville syndicate in Cambridge for instance crams vast amounts of fish into a place and charge £1800 which goes up every proceeding year. This isn't a new phenomena, and I'll estimate that the likes of Grenville are a template for the future. There are waters that I'm sure will and do buck the Grenville trend.
What is it like to fish these syndicate waters:
It can be a very mixed bag depending on who runs the place and who owns the land. I've fished places as small as 4 acres that are just muddy holes in a farmer's field, yet charge £550 yearly, with no real parking, no facilities, litter everywhere, a 50 member limit yet after the initial 50 tickets are sold, you hear of the person running.the place has just sold another 10 tickets, and then in the winter opens the place up for a "winter syndicate" for another load of anglers paying.£300 for 5 months fishing. There are places like Wrasbury on the other end of the scale that is a world apart for the aforementioned syndicate *experience*.
What are the anglers like that fish these syndicates:
As a very general rule of thumb and sliding scale (with exceptions as always) the larger the water, the fewer the stock, the better/ more respectful the angler and less annoying/ irritating on the whole those anglers tend to be regardless of membership cost.
In reply to Post #2
You might want to do some proper research on Grenville before you spout such rubbish,
1000 fish in 70 acres of which 20 acres is unfishable as it's out of range is hardly craming them in.
There are plenty of waters with more fish per acre than Greenville's
You might want to do some proper research on Grenville before you spout such rubbish,
1000 fish in 70 acres of which 20 acres is unfishable as it's out of range is hardly craming them in.
There are plenty of waters with more fish per acre than Greenville's
In reply to Post #3
Unless things have radically changed in the last few months, it's nearly 2000 fish in 70 acres I think you'll find which it's residents get fed vast amounts regularly by the guy running his *premier syndicate* (scoff) from a boat. Zero merit in catching big fish from those types of places.
Wonder how the anglers that fish the likes of Grenville would fare on the likes of Wrasbury back in the day with its 25 head of fish in 140 acres with a good chunk of that stock never seeing the bank?
Grenville, should be named 'The Turkey Shoot'. Noddy water.
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Unless things have radically changed in the last few months, it's nearly 2000 fish in 70 acres I think you'll find which it's residents get fed vast amounts regularly by the guy running his *premier syndicate* (scoff) from a boat. Zero merit in catching big fish from those types of places.
Wonder how the anglers that fish the likes of Grenville would fare on the likes of Wrasbury back in the day with its 25 head of fish in 140 acres with a good chunk of that stock never seeing the bank?
Grenville, should be named 'The Turkey Shoot'. Noddy water.
#keep-seething
In reply to Post #1
I fish an actual syndicate.
Limited members. Run not for profit. The ticket price is set each year to cover the lease, and running costs and that's it. Each year instead of returning any unused money back to the 30 members, we keep the money in the bank to pay for stuff in the future like tree work.
It's got proper carp parking and Is otter fenced and costs £100 a year
I fish an actual syndicate.
Limited members. Run not for profit. The ticket price is set each year to cover the lease, and running costs and that's it. Each year instead of returning any unused money back to the 30 members, we keep the money in the bank to pay for stuff in the future like tree work.
It's got proper carp parking and Is otter fenced and costs £100 a year
In reply to Post #5
That sounds absolutely fantastic. As rare as hen's teeth
That sounds absolutely fantastic. As rare as hen's teeth
In reply to Post #6
Certainly is a rare thing indeed. I'm ashamed to say I rarely fish it, except the odd winter day. In some respects that makes me the perfect member for the other guys, but it does illustrate one of the downsides of a true syndicate, in that the ticket prices tend to be low, therefore no one ever drops them, making the waiting lists literally dead mans shoes. You'd need to be very wealthy to have tickets that cost £1000 a year and then never fish them.
Certainly is a rare thing indeed. I'm ashamed to say I rarely fish it, except the odd winter day. In some respects that makes me the perfect member for the other guys, but it does illustrate one of the downsides of a true syndicate, in that the ticket prices tend to be low, therefore no one ever drops them, making the waiting lists literally dead mans shoes. You'd need to be very wealthy to have tickets that cost £1000 a year and then never fish them.
In reply to Post #1
One of the issues in this country which has changed syndicates is their legal status. A syndicate by its nature is just a collection of like minded guys, not a legal entity. Therefore it cannot access loans etc.
Why does this matter? Well if a syndicate was to be offered the purchase of the lake, it can't take out mortgages or loans, as who's responsible for making the payments? And more over who's responsible if one member doesn't make a payment but everyone else does etc.
This is the reason that you will have seen over the years a lot of syndicates/clubs become Angling Associations. This way there is a legally enforceable committee structure, that must produce an audited set of accounts each year. The association then owns any property, not any one individual. If they take a loan out secured against the property, the banks can recover against it
My syndicate has a rolling lease going back to the 60s. They have no intention of purchasing the lake and the owner has no intention of selling it. So a syndicate works well in those circumstances.
One of the issues in this country which has changed syndicates is their legal status. A syndicate by its nature is just a collection of like minded guys, not a legal entity. Therefore it cannot access loans etc.
Why does this matter? Well if a syndicate was to be offered the purchase of the lake, it can't take out mortgages or loans, as who's responsible for making the payments? And more over who's responsible if one member doesn't make a payment but everyone else does etc.
This is the reason that you will have seen over the years a lot of syndicates/clubs become Angling Associations. This way there is a legally enforceable committee structure, that must produce an audited set of accounts each year. The association then owns any property, not any one individual. If they take a loan out secured against the property, the banks can recover against it
My syndicate has a rolling lease going back to the 60s. They have no intention of purchasing the lake and the owner has no intention of selling it. So a syndicate works well in those circumstances.
In reply to Post #5
I have almost the same thing available to me but mines £250 a year, like you said tho no one ever relays drops off so very hard to actually get on. I was very lucky seeing a couple members where are good friends so I got recommended on to the owner who runs it like a real syndicate exactly how you said. Very very nice place aswell
I have almost the same thing available to me but mines £250 a year, like you said tho no one ever relays drops off so very hard to actually get on. I was very lucky seeing a couple members where are good friends so I got recommended on to the owner who runs it like a real syndicate exactly how you said. Very very nice place aswell
In reply to Post #3
I've got a mate who's on Grenville - most of the stupid comments you read about the place are from people who haven't even seen the place, let alone fished it. I'm pretty close to getting my golden ticket for it.
Syndicates? Well, generally, if they're well managed and there's a robust selection process - it lessens the propensity for twits getting on the water... which means people act more responsibly. Go to any day ticket or club water down my way and they're full of idiots, most of whom I'd hardly class as anglers - more glorified campers. At least on the syndicates I fish you are there with like minded people and decent anglers.
What doesn't appeal are these instant fisheries that seem to be more and more common - take a water, rip out all the snags, weed, bankside vegetation - add some nice landscaped swims... then go out and buy a load of big carp - stock liberally with the plastic prizes, then invent some bullsh1t history for the water - advertise... charge £xxxxx a year - the wannabes queue up for these places - they love it, they really do. One near me - they even re-named it... The Black Lagoon
I've got a mate who's on Grenville - most of the stupid comments you read about the place are from people who haven't even seen the place, let alone fished it. I'm pretty close to getting my golden ticket for it.
Syndicates? Well, generally, if they're well managed and there's a robust selection process - it lessens the propensity for twits getting on the water... which means people act more responsibly. Go to any day ticket or club water down my way and they're full of idiots, most of whom I'd hardly class as anglers - more glorified campers. At least on the syndicates I fish you are there with like minded people and decent anglers.
What doesn't appeal are these instant fisheries that seem to be more and more common - take a water, rip out all the snags, weed, bankside vegetation - add some nice landscaped swims... then go out and buy a load of big carp - stock liberally with the plastic prizes, then invent some bullsh1t history for the water - advertise... charge £xxxxx a year - the wannabes queue up for these places - they love it, they really do. One near me - they even re-named it... The Black Lagoon
In reply to Post #10
I agree Mark
I also know someone who fishes it.
There certainly are not 2000 fish in there, it's also far more difficult than most people think.
Not a difficult water like some of the big low stock venues I agree but it's not a turkey shoot
I agree Mark
I also know someone who fishes it.
There certainly are not 2000 fish in there, it's also far more difficult than most people think.
Not a difficult water like some of the big low stock venues I agree but it's not a turkey shoot
I'm lucky, my £300 goes to the fishing rights, and a sensible ongoing stocking policy.
There are 60members on a 45 acre lake, and the most I have seen on at once is 10 people.
There are 60members on a 45 acre lake, and the most I have seen on at once is 10 people.
In reply to Post #10
What was the Black Lagoon called before being renamed?
What was the Black Lagoon called before being renamed?
In reply to Post #13
The muddy puddle
The muddy puddle
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