Just speaking to one of the baliffs at our local and he said they were thinking of banning longshank hooks... when I asked him why he said "well, I've seen the damage they have done over the years"
Strange thing is hardly anyone seems to use them on that lake... I'm more inclined to think it's down the anglers and the way they play the fish sometimes rather than the hook... can't see that alone solving the problems of mouth damage TBH
I've used them on and off for years myself and can't remember having any issues, they are normally hooked in the bottom lip.
What are your opinions on this?
Strange thing is hardly anyone seems to use them on that lake... I'm more inclined to think it's down the anglers and the way they play the fish sometimes rather than the hook... can't see that alone solving the problems of mouth damage TBH
I've used them on and off for years myself and can't remember having any issues, they are normally hooked in the bottom lip.
What are your opinions on this?
In reply to Post #1
I think your bailiff is a wise man and completely right
I think your bailiff is a wise man and completely right
In reply to Post #2
Not disputing it but why are they any worse?
Not disputing it but why are they any worse?
In reply to Post #1
Everyone has an opinion but in this case it may only be the opinion of those making the rules that matter.
Obviously the longer the hook shank any sideways pressure is increasing the pressure on the hold as the leverage will increase the longer the shank.
Everyone has an opinion but in this case it may only be the opinion of those making the rules that matter.
Obviously the longer the hook shank any sideways pressure is increasing the pressure on the hold as the leverage will increase the longer the shank.
In reply to Post #4
Why aren't they banned everywhere then? I've seen curved Longshanks banned... but rarely longshanks.
Why aren't they banned everywhere then? I've seen curved Longshanks banned... but rarely longshanks.
In reply to Post #5
Bit like barbed v barb less debate, upto the venue powers to decide and us to abide.
Bit like barbed v barb less debate, upto the venue powers to decide and us to abide.
In reply to Post #6
I don't use longshanks as I find they tear but I'm sure it's more to
do with where you fish, I'm sure others find them great
Some carp have very rubbery lips and others well, don't.
and it's down to the individual to decide
I use both curve shanks and beaked point hooks which Ive found more acceptable
I don't use longshanks as I find they tear but I'm sure it's more to
do with where you fish, I'm sure others find them great
Some carp have very rubbery lips and others well, don't.
and it's down to the individual to decide
I use both curve shanks and beaked point hooks which Ive found more acceptable
In reply to Post #1
All types of long shanks are banned on my syndicate, regardless if straight or curved. But to be honest I've never used them myself.
All types of long shanks are banned on my syndicate, regardless if straight or curved. But to be honest I've never used them myself.
What's the threshold for a long shank? I've found it's more to do with gape vs shank, small gape vs long shank like the Korda ones will have more leverage and I've found they will pull/rip more frequently.
Same with the old carp r us longshank nailers which were probably the ones that kicked off the ban.
Wider gape with a long shank like the newer trig hammers seem to be a bit kinder on the fishes gob but can still be tied aggressively
Same with the old carp r us longshank nailers which were probably the ones that kicked off the ban.
Wider gape with a long shank like the newer trig hammers seem to be a bit kinder on the fishes gob but can still be tied aggressively
In reply to Post #7
Several places I've fished over the years have banned beak point hooks.
Several places I've fished over the years have banned beak point hooks.
In reply to Post #10
Wow I've never heard of that one before. Do you know what the thinking is behind it?
Wow I've never heard of that one before. Do you know what the thinking is behind it?
Used them for years and never had any bother or damage at all .
Mind you when they are hooked they are hooked but I tend to cut the hook with cutters rather than try to retrieve the hook as I think a lot of the so called damage is done on the un hooking .
I've seen a lot of reluctant anglers Un willing to cut the hook hence causing minimal damage only a small hole where it entered but pull and tear the flesh to save their hook 😡
Also I use soft rods and play them not pull their heads off .
Let's face it a lot use powerfull rods on puddles with the must have 50 mm butt ring .
But a lot of more older anglers have rods for all occasions 1 3/4 TC. 2 1/4 TC 3 1/2 TC
Like I say never had a problem .
Seen a lot worse with barbless only venues but that's another kettle of fish .
Mind you when they are hooked they are hooked but I tend to cut the hook with cutters rather than try to retrieve the hook as I think a lot of the so called damage is done on the un hooking .
I've seen a lot of reluctant anglers Un willing to cut the hook hence causing minimal damage only a small hole where it entered but pull and tear the flesh to save their hook 😡
Also I use soft rods and play them not pull their heads off .
Let's face it a lot use powerfull rods on puddles with the must have 50 mm butt ring .
But a lot of more older anglers have rods for all occasions 1 3/4 TC. 2 1/4 TC 3 1/2 TC
Like I say never had a problem .
Seen a lot worse with barbless only venues but that's another kettle of fish .
I've got a pack of longshank muggas in my box, based on this thread I'll get rid of them.
We can recreate the length of the shank on the hook using Shrink tubing Except using a Ronnie or 360 rig so if there's any truth in this thread tackle companies should stop making them really as they don't have any benefit over any other hook and there is a potential to cause damage.
Start a Petition somebody
We can recreate the length of the shank on the hook using Shrink tubing Except using a Ronnie or 360 rig so if there's any truth in this thread tackle companies should stop making them really as they don't have any benefit over any other hook and there is a potential to cause damage.
Start a Petition somebody
In reply to Post #9
What's the threshold for a long shank?
That's what I'd like to know. I was trying to source some Fox Series 1 hooks recently, some packs describe them as long shank and some packs say medium. Even Fox can't make up their mind
What's the threshold for a long shank?
That's what I'd like to know. I was trying to source some Fox Series 1 hooks recently, some packs describe them as long shank and some packs say medium. Even Fox can't make up their mind
In reply to Post #1
I'm big fan of conventional longshank hooks - like the old KAMASAN B175 type pattern. I like them tied slip d style with a very small shrink tube kicker for bottom baits + snowman rigs
I've never noticed any mouth damage that I can attribute to the hook pattern.
Phil
I'm big fan of conventional longshank hooks - like the old KAMASAN B175 type pattern. I like them tied slip d style with a very small shrink tube kicker for bottom baits + snowman rigs
I've never noticed any mouth damage that I can attribute to the hook pattern.
Phil