I am hoping that there may be a historian here.
The average carp angler today is working class - although the definition is increasingly blurred as plenty of trades persons lead thoroughly middle class lives (house, car, holidays etc.).
However some of the original carpers/specimen anglers were posh boys (Yates and Walker - I am assuming the latter was middle class).
In fact a lot of pastimes were up until recently the preserve of the rich.... foreign travel, pet ownership to name a couple.
Would anyone be able to shed any light?
The average carp angler today is working class - although the definition is increasingly blurred as plenty of trades persons lead thoroughly middle class lives (house, car, holidays etc.).
However some of the original carpers/specimen anglers were posh boys (Yates and Walker - I am assuming the latter was middle class).
In fact a lot of pastimes were up until recently the preserve of the rich.... foreign travel, pet ownership to name a couple.
Would anyone be able to shed any light?
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I would have said Most of the middle and upper classes were game anglers in by gone days
I would have said Most of the middle and upper classes were game anglers in by gone days
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Good grief...
Good grief...
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Stupid post. Who cares. What defines class anyway?
Stupid post. Who cares. What defines class anyway?
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Hilarious!
Hilarious!
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Yates and Walker were instants, ask Issac Walton
Yates and Walker were instants, ask Issac Walton
Some of the CCC wore a tie if that helps. So did Eric Hosden.
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I've got a house, cars and take a few holidays but I don't consider myself middle class. My 28 year old daughter thinks we are middle class though so I reckon for some it all depends on your age group?
It used to be that successful carpers used to be on the dole or done just enough work to go fishing now many of them make a modest living out of it. Does that make them middle class....perhaps others can tell me?
I've got a house, cars and take a few holidays but I don't consider myself middle class. My 28 year old daughter thinks we are middle class though so I reckon for some it all depends on your age group?
It used to be that successful carpers used to be on the dole or done just enough work to go fishing now many of them make a modest living out of it. Does that make them middle class....perhaps others can tell me?
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Any more stupid that half the ones in most other threads that descend into chaos? Lol
I‘m Sure this post stems from the passion for angling thread
I always thought bob and Chris were posh when I was a kid now I just realise they never grew up.
Any more stupid that half the ones in most other threads that descend into chaos? Lol
I‘m Sure this post stems from the passion for angling thread
I always thought bob and Chris were posh when I was a kid now I just realise they never grew up.
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When you put it that way I start to get it
I think Bob and Chris were more the exception than the rule?
When you put it that way I start to get it
I think Bob and Chris were more the exception than the rule?
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I could have the total wrong end of the stick lol
I could have the total wrong end of the stick lol
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Easy.....if you have to sell your arse for a wage, you're working class. Yep. Even if you're a GP, dentist, barrister etc, etc, etc. What kind of an arse do you think you have? And your arse doesn't have dibs on what's stupid or otherwise.
Easy.....if you have to sell your arse for a wage, you're working class. Yep. Even if you're a GP, dentist, barrister etc, etc, etc. What kind of an arse do you think you have? And your arse doesn't have dibs on what's stupid or otherwise.
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And for balance, in conjunction with my previous post, are you related to Bob, in any way? Kev Clifford has a good overview of carp fishing history. In guess what? A history of carp fishing. Draw your own conclusions. 👍
And for balance, in conjunction with my previous post, are you related to Bob, in any way? Kev Clifford has a good overview of carp fishing history. In guess what? A history of carp fishing. Draw your own conclusions. 👍
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What does selling you arse mean?
People go to work and get a wage, some people get paid more for doing their jobs than others.
Genuine question without taking it literally what does selling your arse mean?
What does selling you arse mean?
People go to work and get a wage, some people get paid more for doing their jobs than others.
Genuine question without taking it literally what does selling your arse mean?
hmmmm
maybe cross reference this thread with the 'too much gear' thread... if you are looking st the working class and disposable income then there's an interesting study there I think.
game fishing definitely feels historically middle / upper class but then there is the history of farmers being very into game fishing also...
class has shifted over the last few decades. I've just started reading a book called 'Respectable' by Lynsey Hanley which looks at that shift from 'working class' to 'middle class' (when did dinner become lunch and tea become dinner etc.?)
if we are looking at the more well known anglers then you have to also consider the way broadcasting has evolved. the BBC in particular - and ITV channels to a similar degree - was a very class driven organisation and the anglers they chose to film would reflect that. more recently this has shifted (although Channel 4 and BBC3 do still seem to be the domain for the children of well to do TV execs, ...)
Publishing will likely follow a similar history - so the carp anglers of the past in print are more likely to come from middle / upper class circles
It doesn't necessarily matter in the grand scheme of things, but it's an interesting study to keep you busy in lockdown
maybe cross reference this thread with the 'too much gear' thread... if you are looking st the working class and disposable income then there's an interesting study there I think.
game fishing definitely feels historically middle / upper class but then there is the history of farmers being very into game fishing also...
class has shifted over the last few decades. I've just started reading a book called 'Respectable' by Lynsey Hanley which looks at that shift from 'working class' to 'middle class' (when did dinner become lunch and tea become dinner etc.?)
if we are looking at the more well known anglers then you have to also consider the way broadcasting has evolved. the BBC in particular - and ITV channels to a similar degree - was a very class driven organisation and the anglers they chose to film would reflect that. more recently this has shifted (although Channel 4 and BBC3 do still seem to be the domain for the children of well to do TV execs, ...)
Publishing will likely follow a similar history - so the carp anglers of the past in print are more likely to come from middle / upper class circles
It doesn't necessarily matter in the grand scheme of things, but it's an interesting study to keep you busy in lockdown