Can a change from a lt94 to an Iceland fishmeal lt make a bait worst in a way catch rates plummet from a great year with a lot of carps and really big to only one carp?
I know every year isn't the same and there are year better than others, but since the great 2018 start when I fished with that bait (from August to December maybe the best catch rates I ever had) and during 2019 I struggle to get a bite, I put it down to the change I did when I bought this ingredient.
Obviously this year I'll come back to lt94, but do you think it can do a great difference to change from a fishmeal to another and in which way?
I know every year isn't the same and there are year better than others, but since the great 2018 start when I fished with that bait (from August to December maybe the best catch rates I ever had) and during 2019 I struggle to get a bite, I put it down to the change I did when I bought this ingredient.
Obviously this year I'll come back to lt94, but do you think it can do a great difference to change from a fishmeal to another and in which way?
In reply to Post #1
If it is fresh fishmeal and used before it's out of date, I doubt it, especially if the replacement Iceland fishmeal is a low temperature one.
As you are based in Italy and caught well on the old LT94 version, could it just be that the previous year your location and watercraft was better, and the fishmeal change was not to blame, assuming all the other ingredients and attractors are fresh and stayed the same.
If it is fresh fishmeal and used before it's out of date, I doubt it, especially if the replacement Iceland fishmeal is a low temperature one.
As you are based in Italy and caught well on the old LT94 version, could it just be that the previous year your location and watercraft was better, and the fishmeal change was not to blame, assuming all the other ingredients and attractors are fresh and stayed the same.
In reply to Post #2
It has the out of date printed on the outside, in January 2020.
Me too doubt it was the fishmeal but it's being the only change I did I put it down to it.
The lake is really hard and last year is been tough and maybe I wasn't fishing the right places (often the carps showed in front of me) or it's simply an unlucky year. It's what I try to understand if someone had had a similar situation.
It has the out of date printed on the outside, in January 2020.
Me too doubt it was the fishmeal but it's being the only change I did I put it down to it.
The lake is really hard and last year is been tough and maybe I wasn't fishing the right places (often the carps showed in front of me) or it's simply an unlucky year. It's what I try to understand if someone had had a similar situation.
In reply to Post #3
I also doubt it was the fishmeal.
If I know I'm on fish and I know I'm well presented yet not getting bites I'll ditch the boiled baits completely. If nuisance species allow I'd go to naturals. If not, nuts would be my next alternative.
I see waters shut up shop on boiled baits quite regularly. Most guys just tend to think they're not feeding but they are wrong.
I also doubt it was the fishmeal.
If I know I'm on fish and I know I'm well presented yet not getting bites I'll ditch the boiled baits completely. If nuisance species allow I'd go to naturals. If not, nuts would be my next alternative.
I see waters shut up shop on boiled baits quite regularly. Most guys just tend to think they're not feeding but they are wrong.
In reply to Post #4
What are you referring to when you say naturals? Maggots/worms?
What are you referring to when you say naturals? Maggots/worms?
In reply to Post #5
Indeed sir.
Indeed sir.
In reply to Post #4
Good post Yonny........
It is all about cycles and seasonal changes.
Going back to the original question, are we still on the same water? Have you changed any levels in attractors?
If i am being honest, when the fish are eating boilies good old provimi 66 does it as well as any other.
Good post Yonny........
It is all about cycles and seasonal changes.
Going back to the original question, are we still on the same water? Have you changed any levels in attractors?
If i am being honest, when the fish are eating boilies good old provimi 66 does it as well as any other.
In reply to Post #7
going back to the original posts - it's the only change he made (changing the fishmeal) and yes it is the same water.
Maybe it's just down to a hard year, rigs, etc. who knows. It's unlikely the fishmeal is the cause of a particularly bad year's fishing. I don't think any carp ever has gone 'oh, different fishmeal, no thanks!'
going back to the original posts - it's the only change he made (changing the fishmeal) and yes it is the same water.
Maybe it's just down to a hard year, rigs, etc. who knows. It's unlikely the fishmeal is the cause of a particularly bad year's fishing. I don't think any carp ever has gone 'oh, different fishmeal, no thanks!'
In reply to Post #7
It is all about cycles and seasonal changes.
Yes mate, I agree
It is all about cycles and seasonal changes.
Yes mate, I agree
In reply to Post #9
I'm on 17 nights without a sniff on Rockford.. There must be Tons of bait out in the lake rotting as the fish just dont seem to eat it.. so many naturals never seen anything like it.. been fishing it since July and never seen a fish get caught. Only HEARD of 1 in that time since I started...
I'm on 17 nights without a sniff on Rockford.. There must be Tons of bait out in the lake rotting as the fish just dont seem to eat it.. so many naturals never seen anything like it.. been fishing it since July and never seen a fish get caught. Only HEARD of 1 in that time since I started...
In reply to Post #10
I hear it's a tricky water buddy.
I hear it's a tricky water buddy.
In reply to Post #1
Hi Sauro
Fished Eastern Europe for many years and we found it hard to source fishmeal so when we found a supplier we'd all chip in and buy in bulk.
We had to change one year as our supplier couldn't supply and the new stuff we got looked good, texture and smell was good as well.
Catch results dropped dramatically on the new stuff for all of us.
One of our group worked as a sort of chemist for an ice cream company and did some tests in it and the new stuff had nearly 5 times the salt content of the original stuff we were using.
So I'd say yes there are big differences in different fishmeal products.
(I should also add that I'm currently fishing a saline lake and getting good results on heavily over salted baits)
Either way I think the fishmeal observation is a valid one as per the thread
Best
Jon
Hi Sauro
Fished Eastern Europe for many years and we found it hard to source fishmeal so when we found a supplier we'd all chip in and buy in bulk.
We had to change one year as our supplier couldn't supply and the new stuff we got looked good, texture and smell was good as well.
Catch results dropped dramatically on the new stuff for all of us.
One of our group worked as a sort of chemist for an ice cream company and did some tests in it and the new stuff had nearly 5 times the salt content of the original stuff we were using.
So I'd say yes there are big differences in different fishmeal products.
(I should also add that I'm currently fishing a saline lake and getting good results on heavily over salted baits)
Either way I think the fishmeal observation is a valid one as per the thread
Best
Jon
Thanks for the replies.
The water is the same as well as the ingredients, the only change I made is the fishmeal as mentioned, I changed it in an attempt to put down costs of the baits. On the bag is printed the nutritional value, protein 70 % fat 10% moisture 8%. It contain natural antioxidants (1b 306(I) Tocopherol extract for vegetable oil). LT94 contain a similar additive?
The lake is far from an easy water. It's big and deep with a good water quality that come from the nearest mountains, due the electric purpose of the lake there is a good exchange of water with a lot of undertows. The carps are present in good number, the difficult is to get them eat on the bottom so when I had a good stream of catch I thought I have found a bait they can't resist and after the last tough year I start to doubt the bait. In this lake you need a bait that the carps recognise as food when they are eating on the bottom.
Tiger nuts are one of the baits the carps respond well and sometimes I fish with as well as chick peas or others, don't tried maggots or worm but the lake has shoal of nuisance fish, in warmer months I'm sure don't resist on the hair a lot.
The water is the same as well as the ingredients, the only change I made is the fishmeal as mentioned, I changed it in an attempt to put down costs of the baits. On the bag is printed the nutritional value, protein 70 % fat 10% moisture 8%. It contain natural antioxidants (1b 306(I) Tocopherol extract for vegetable oil). LT94 contain a similar additive?
The lake is far from an easy water. It's big and deep with a good water quality that come from the nearest mountains, due the electric purpose of the lake there is a good exchange of water with a lot of undertows. The carps are present in good number, the difficult is to get them eat on the bottom so when I had a good stream of catch I thought I have found a bait they can't resist and after the last tough year I start to doubt the bait. In this lake you need a bait that the carps recognise as food when they are eating on the bottom.
Tiger nuts are one of the baits the carps respond well and sometimes I fish with as well as chick peas or others, don't tried maggots or worm but the lake has shoal of nuisance fish, in warmer months I'm sure don't resist on the hair a lot.
In reply to Post #12
Hi Jon
Then there could be some difference from a fishmeal to another and it could be the cause.
Just to clarify the LT94 was the ccmoore one, the other LT is from a Dutch company.
Hi Jon
Then there could be some difference from a fishmeal to another and it could be the cause.
Just to clarify the LT94 was the ccmoore one, the other LT is from a Dutch company.
In reply to Post #11
Gonna go all out with maggots
Gonna go all out with maggots