Good evening,
I happened upon this product from Carp Tart and wondered if anyone had used or got experience with it?
There's a rather unconvincing video of Lee Jackson explaining what it does, interesting concept if it actually works, look forward to any feedback or information on the Bagless Wonder.
Thanks in advance
Tel
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In reply to Post #1
Can you still get these ? Remember these from a long time ago but never actually used one myself although they do look like a good idea for short range fishing

In reply to Post #2
I'm assuming they're still available as I saw it on TB web site, it looks simple and I suppose the principle is not so whacky as to be unbelievable.
Tel👍

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Can't put links or photos on but you can find it on the TB website by putting Bagless wonder into their search tool.
Tel
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In reply to Post #1
I've got both sizes been sat in a drawer for years. I used mine to make hard groundbait pellets for my bait boat, and for use on stringers (I used the Nutrabaits dissolving boilie pellets many years ago and liked the idea), I suppose the equivalent of the mini pva sticks now) once dissolved.

A quick search shows Carp Tart have a website Click here

Edit, I started using the Nash ball makers at launch and the BW got relegated, but I kept breaking the plunger lid on the ball makers. I think once the present ball maker breaks, its back to the BW.

EDIT, might also be worth looking at pellet cones, similar sort of idea but more for fast dissolve in match fishing.

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I have had one for several years. Only use them for close in work at it doesn't take a cast very well. I am concerned about pva being around the bait so I thought this would be the answer. I use a good helping of Sensas PV1 in the mix to stop it breaking up too soon.

In reply to Post #6
Thanks,
Assumed there would need to be a goodly amount of binding agent,👍👍👍
Tel

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For the cost I'm going to Oder one and try it out, I've got a binding agent I use for my method feeder mix so 1/2,way there.
Thanks
Tel

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Gardener had something similar, the bait bomb. Have look at it. They shared some ' how to used Guides over the years

Jic, If your thinking about making the pellets in advance have a play with mixes first. I use method mix slightly drier than normal but in my quest to get the right mix I found a few mixes when pelleted would expand and blow given time. The method mix I use has no dedicated binder as such but does bind very well.

The only thing I wish the BW had was a larger plunger top, I always used a tea towel as it can be hard on your hands.

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I have the 2 sizes
Usually I use sticks so it saves on pva
Grind up some boilies and put the crumb to the device and push it onto your foot or bucket lid.
3x 15mm boilies gives a nice little spread

In reply to Post #9
Thanks,
I did look at that in the past but prefer the way the BW has a hole through the centre.
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Tel

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Thanks, it looks so simple, I'll found out soon enough
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Tel

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Looks like a well thought out piece pf kit.

It's an old concept, many years ago, Badger tackle used sell what was called a "Bait Bomb". The difference being, the "Bait Bomb" left a slit down one side for the line and a small indentation at the bottom for the bait to fit into. Once you had placed the line into the slit, you just squeezed it to close the slit.

Gardner brought out the same item with the same name a few years later and when I peeled off the label on my Badger one, there was another label with Italian writing on so Badger must have got them from Italy.

I still use mine to this day, I bought mine at the Go Fishing show at the NEC Birmingham in 2002. I saw it on the Badger stand, it looked interesting, the lad on the stand didn't have a clue what it was for and I didn't, but I bought one and eventually fathomed out what you do with it.

But the idea goes back to late 60's, as Efgeeco used sell a pack of 6 groundbait "balls' that were stick shaped with a hole in the middle and an indentation in the bottom for your bait. I used buy a pack every session if I was using small baits. The good thing was, in those days most of the time you freelined with no lead on your line, so using one of these sticks, you got some extra weight to cast and it was a doddle to cast a bunch of maggots etc out about 30 to 40 yards. Jim Gibbinson wrote about them in one of his very early books.

Another thing you can do is actually premake your sticks at home and dry them out. The advantage being, they might be lighter, but far firmer for casting and no worry about pulling out if the mix is soft.

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I suppose it's like most things associated with our past time, ideas are rethought, recycled and hopefully improved, I've ordered the BW, liking the idea of producing plenty of pellets before hand, pre dry a bit and get them out there.
Tel
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when I worked in a tackle shop we had this guy that kept coming in for open end feeders, he kept coming back and buying 5 or 6 at a time,over the week he cleared us out. when I explained to him we had none left he asked if there was any other ways of getting his groundbait to the bottom. I asked how he was setting his feede rod up and why he had lost so many feeders. he said he was float fishing 😮 I asked what he was using the feeders for and he said to feed the swim.. he was mixing his groundbait,pushing it inside his feeder moulding more round it and just throwing them in🤦
I told him to get his groundbait bucket and grabbed one of the ripped bags of groundbait from the back,showed hi how to mix his gb,riddled it,let it rest,added some more water and riddled again. then formed these gb balls the size of oranges that binded lovely....he was extremely grateful 🙏

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We're never too old to learn👍👍
Tel
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From memory, about a third of PV1 to two thirds stick mix.

I remember buying up a load of Rod Hutchinson ready made bait sticks monster crab think it was ? they were about 3" long at Big one at Chertsey it was at the end of the show and bought about 6 x 1 kgs bags for peanuts
used them in my bait boat on french trips caught plenty of fish so it didnt put them off

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Cheers,
I've got some PV1 so that's a good starting point👍👍
Tel

Reference my earlier post, Jim Gibbinson wrote about it in his 1974 book "Carp" in the "Long Range Fishing" chapter and refers to them as a "Groundbait cake". These you used to buy ready made, just thread the line through it and tie the hook on.

Vested interest alert.

Carp-Tart never copy, ever, the badger and Gardner ones were first but the side slot was a nightmare. Not only did the CT version solve this the compression gained by the engineering and lack of air release is totally different.

When first made PV1 was advocated - but I now use mine with Horlicks and made in advance they are fishable at good mid range. Also pulting our sticks is super easy and not like pva that is time and £s.

Carp Tart try not to comment on social and forums, as it's only ever been a hobby, trying to tinker and make bits that nobody else does or at least advance them. This isn't a cop out - but don't like commenting on our stuff but couldn't resist this one

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Spot on,
Straight from the horses mouth so to speak, I've looked at the Gardner one in the past but didn't like the slot, the BW sorts this, mine arrives in the coming days from the TB.
Looking forward to giving it a go, thanks for the heads up on Horlicks I'll look into that, are you able to give any pointers regarding amount added as a % please??
Got to say I love the smell of Horlicks so that's a bonus 😂😂😂🙈
Tel
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In reply to Post #23
I looked into these a few years ago,then forgot all about them...Think I could put that to good use..

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Blimey Horlicks as a binder, that's a blast from the past. We used to use it in groundbait back in the seventies. Perfect for the job.

horlocks is good as sticky mag, makes great balls off maggots

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Absolutely right. We used to do that with floating maggots as well.

Just looked at my old Badger "Bait Bomb", moulded into the plastic is "Fryer's Baitledger".

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There's Welsh for you

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he was a scouser 🤣

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It wasn't Brian was it

heres a video of it incase anyone wanted to see it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRIxMz2Tm74&ab_channel=TackleBoxCarpFishing

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Got mine today...Am very impressed with it.Its just a well designed,well made useful bit of tackle. Not very expensive either.

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It's a nice bit of kit, definitely useful.
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Tel