Just a quick question.
Anyone bought a set of the kaizen rods yet??
Just interested in how they perform when used by us mere mortals!?
In reply to Post #1
Exactly the same as they will when the korda mere mortals are using them. There probably decent rods but they look **** and look like they cost £50.
Exactly the same as they will when the korda mere mortals are using them. There probably decent rods but they look **** and look like they cost £50.
In reply to Post #1
Had a play in my local tackle shop with these last weekend.
The manager there told me they use the exact same blanks as the Daiwa longbow.
I own a set of longbows and I have to say I believe him, they are remarkably similar.
Had a play in my local tackle shop with these last weekend.
The manager there told me they use the exact same blanks as the Daiwa longbow.
I own a set of longbows and I have to say I believe him, they are remarkably similar.
Thought it was a pretty well know fact they are a Daiwa blank...
In reply to Post #3
Just because they look similar on the outside dosent mean they are the same blank. The outside of a blank is more of a cosmetic feature. They will defo be a different blank to the longbow. You gotta love a chinese whisper of the manager of your local tackle shop who wont have a clue where there made or what the blank is 😀
Just because they look similar on the outside dosent mean they are the same blank. The outside of a blank is more of a cosmetic feature. They will defo be a different blank to the longbow. You gotta love a chinese whisper of the manager of your local tackle shop who wont have a clue where there made or what the blank is 😀
I genuinely would be interested to know the number of these they sell,I can't see them doing many at the price point they're at...however I think when they bring the cheaper version out I think they'll sell hundreds and hundreds of sets...the kids and younger anglers will be all ove them I would imagine....there's a a whole generation of korda kids now that have grown up following the brand since the day cast out a pukka goo' d up hook boat over a Bed of munga to catch scaley bangers...
I find it incredibly unlikely that it would the same blank as a longbow.
In reply to Post #6
Bosh!
Bosh!
They even had a goo bar at the big one show, wtf is that all about 🤷♂️ probably made them a small fortune mind.
In reply to Post #3
Time too find a different shop if the manager spouts rubbish like that, he obviously hasn't a clue and thought you were gullible enough to believe it.
Time too find a different shop if the manager spouts rubbish like that, he obviously hasn't a clue and thought you were gullible enough to believe it.
In reply to Post #6
Nothing to do with Korda doing much more than other companies within the fishing industry?
Nothing to do with Korda doing much more than other companies within the fishing industry?
In reply to Post #11
of course they do, I'm not knocking them for it...simply stating that if you're under 35 then there's a good chance they would have grown up knowing of nothing different than the korda.media machine
of course they do, I'm not knocking them for it...simply stating that if you're under 35 then there's a good chance they would have grown up knowing of nothing different than the korda.media machine
In reply to Post #12
Im so pleased i was brought into carp fishing in the early 90's. I loved it back then well before the circus and facebook arrived.
Im so pleased i was brought into carp fishing in the early 90's. I loved it back then well before the circus and facebook arrived.
Seems to be a lot of conflicting info on these then.
Does anyone actually know for definite what blank they use or is it all opinions?
Does anyone actually know for definite what blank they use or is it all opinions?
In reply to Post #14
Yes danny fairbrass 😀
Yes danny fairbrass 😀
In reply to Post #14
They are a blank daiwa make for them.
They are a blank daiwa make for them.
If they are Korda fan boys they probably have only used Daiwa rods so would be happy with the new Daiwa/Korda rods.
So would never have tried Harrison or Century rods and experienced the difference.
So would never have tried Harrison or Century rods and experienced the difference.
In reply to Post #17
I'm not even sure the fan boys are bothered what action or how they perform, aslong as they have the same rods as their hero's they're not bothered
I'm not even sure the fan boys are bothered what action or how they perform, aslong as they have the same rods as their hero's they're not bothered
In reply to Post #13
Early 80s was even better everything was so simple they might be daiwa as the DF has been taken off the daiwa longbow
Early 80s was even better everything was so simple they might be daiwa as the DF has been taken off the daiwa longbow
In reply to Post #19
I was only 10 then and didnt really get into it until 1990. Just wish i could get the bug back that i had back then 😞
I was only 10 then and didnt really get into it until 1990. Just wish i could get the bug back that i had back then 😞
In reply to Post #10
I have heard the longbow theory also, from someone who is as credible as they come. why would Daiwa choose to compete with and canabalize their own market share in top end rods?
I have heard the longbow theory also, from someone who is as credible as they come. why would Daiwa choose to compete with and canabalize their own market share in top end rods?
In reply to Post #21
Because they can shift a lot of their blanks to people that would have bought a FS/Century/Harrison/whatever??
Don't forget that they cost peanuts to make.
Because they can shift a lot of their blanks to people that would have bought a FS/Century/Harrison/whatever??
Don't forget that they cost peanuts to make.
In reply to Post #20
I've lost the bug too after 40 years carp fishing before that I would tench fish I spoke to a lot of people who feel the same
the tackle companies haven't helped with there rip off prices everywhere is rammed with expensive tickets a waiting list everywhere you look
So few years ago I moved on. To the rivers it's a different world there's chub a barbel but also big perch a roach which are stunning fish
I've lost the bug too after 40 years carp fishing before that I would tench fish I spoke to a lot of people who feel the same
the tackle companies haven't helped with there rip off prices everywhere is rammed with expensive tickets a waiting list everywhere you look
So few years ago I moved on. To the rivers it's a different world there's chub a barbel but also big perch a roach which are stunning fish
In reply to Post #21
Well perhaps you should take both to a tournament court and cast them side by side to see if you have the same opinion as him before spreading rumour. Had the 13ft 4lb TC longbow and kaizen with longbow same length and TC and the infinity 13ft 3.75tc together this week . The korda rod felt similar action to the longbow but beefed up a fair bit while the infinity will outcast both of them in the right hands. Hadn't cast the longbow before and thought it was a very nice easy to cast user friendly rod and would be nicer to play fish on than the infinity.
Well perhaps you should take both to a tournament court and cast them side by side to see if you have the same opinion as him before spreading rumour. Had the 13ft 4lb TC longbow and kaizen with longbow same length and TC and the infinity 13ft 3.75tc together this week . The korda rod felt similar action to the longbow but beefed up a fair bit while the infinity will outcast both of them in the right hands. Hadn't cast the longbow before and thought it was a very nice easy to cast user friendly rod and would be nicer to play fish on than the infinity.
In reply to Post #23
I tried the rivers as started fishing the trent but its a hell of a drive from northumberland and its becoming an even bigger circus than carp fishing down there these days. I loved my chub fishing on the swale in yorkshire and a lot closer to home but theres not much left in there these days.
I tried the rivers as started fishing the trent but its a hell of a drive from northumberland and its becoming an even bigger circus than carp fishing down there these days. I loved my chub fishing on the swale in yorkshire and a lot closer to home but theres not much left in there these days.
In reply to Post #20
The guy that told me they are diawa blanks is also very credible.
He's not from some mickey mouse tackle shop nor is he from the famous red and black franchise.
Anyhow they felt very similar to my longbows.
The guy that told me they are diawa blanks is also very credible.
He's not from some mickey mouse tackle shop nor is he from the famous red and black franchise.
Anyhow they felt very similar to my longbows.
In reply to Post #26
Yes they are daiwa blanks and similar to the longbow in the length and TC I tested they felt closer to the infinity in power and more like a beefed up longbow in action but may be closer to the longbow in the lower TC models.
Yes they are daiwa blanks and similar to the longbow in the length and TC I tested they felt closer to the infinity in power and more like a beefed up longbow in action but may be closer to the longbow in the lower TC models.
In reply to Post #27
These were my thoughts, glad I'm not alone!
These were my thoughts, glad I'm not alone!
In reply to Post #28
I've not checked...but is there much price differential between the Longbows and Kaizens?
I've not checked...but is there much price differential between the Longbows and Kaizens?
Hi All
I have just brought three "new" DAIWA LONGBOW DF X45 CARP FISHING RODS 3lb test for £400.00 including postage... not bad.. they look and feel great... the new Kaizen rods must be undeliverable at there price tag..
Cheers
Andy
I have just brought three "new" DAIWA LONGBOW DF X45 CARP FISHING RODS 3lb test for £400.00 including postage... not bad.. they look and feel great... the new Kaizen rods must be undeliverable at there price tag..
Cheers
Andy
In reply to Post #29
Longbow X45 M in 12' 3.5TC around £240 each most outlets and the Kaizens in same length and test around £380 each most places
Longbow X45 M in 12' 3.5TC around £240 each most outlets and the Kaizens in same length and test around £380 each most places
I was in Browns Leighton Buzzard last week and the guy in there was telling a customer looking at the Kaizens that they are a Longbow blank....
In reply to Post #32
If that is true which i very much doubt it is and it is longbow blank it makes a mockery of them saying they were 5 years in the making of the brand new blank.
If that is true which i very much doubt it is and it is longbow blank it makes a mockery of them saying they were 5 years in the making of the brand new blank.
In reply to Post #33
In reply to Post #32
If that is true and it is longbow blank it makes a mockery of them saying they were 5 years in the making of the brand new blank.
Even then Daiwa have used their Magnum Taper design on the Longbow blanks, and produced that range with Danny Fairbrass.
It would just be an updated carbon.
Sounds like advertising being used to con the public again...
Sorry, I've become cynical in my 50's, but when I see stuff like that I just think bullish.. baffles brains.
In reply to Post #32
If that is true and it is longbow blank it makes a mockery of them saying they were 5 years in the making of the brand new blank.
Even then Daiwa have used their Magnum Taper design on the Longbow blanks, and produced that range with Danny Fairbrass.
It would just be an updated carbon.
Sounds like advertising being used to con the public again...
Sorry, I've become cynical in my 50's, but when I see stuff like that I just think bullish.. baffles brains.
In reply to Post #27
And here's me hoping they were made on The Infinity Blank.
That's disappointing if true
And here's me hoping they were made on The Infinity Blank.
That's disappointing if true
In reply to Post #32
Can't imagine Korda telling the lad in the tackle shop...
“Don't tell anyone but...”
Sounds like a bit of speculation to me, I have no idea what a Longbow Blank is like, anyone compared the two and got an opinion?
Can't imagine Korda telling the lad in the tackle shop...
“Don't tell anyone but...”
Sounds like a bit of speculation to me, I have no idea what a Longbow Blank is like, anyone compared the two and got an opinion?
In reply to Post #36
The longbow feels heavier than the kaizen
The longbow feels heavier than the kaizen
In reply to Post #35
The Infinity blank is also made on the Magnum Taper, see my previous post.
Kaizen as per Korda:
Built with Seaguide TDG lightweight stainless steel guides
Japanese shrink grip handle with flared butt
Daiwa Longbow as per Daiwa:
Seaguide TDG guides are lighter in weight than the traditional ceramic guides with enhanced performance. The guides have a larger internal diameter size for size with ceramic guides which means line can travel faster through them when casting. The guides also offer greater sensitivity and feel plus they have a special adaman coating which also increases the performance.
The Infinity blank is also made on the Magnum Taper, see my previous post.
Kaizen as per Korda:
Built with Seaguide TDG lightweight stainless steel guides
Japanese shrink grip handle with flared butt
Daiwa Longbow as per Daiwa:
Seaguide TDG guides are lighter in weight than the traditional ceramic guides with enhanced performance. The guides have a larger internal diameter size for size with ceramic guides which means line can travel faster through them when casting. The guides also offer greater sensitivity and feel plus they have a special adaman coating which also increases the performance.
In reply to Post #38
That last bit about the guides has to one of the biggest load of ******** ive ever read. The sad part is all the korda fan boys will believe all the *****.
That last bit about the guides has to one of the biggest load of ******** ive ever read. The sad part is all the korda fan boys will believe all the *****.
In reply to Post #39
Those guides are cheap to buy and bend very easily I changed them on a set of kaizens ( 3 rods ) for a mate whilst he was testing the rods .
Those guides are cheap to buy and bend very easily I changed them on a set of kaizens ( 3 rods ) for a mate whilst he was testing the rods .
In reply to Post #38
The longbow blanks must have improved over the years, the old man had a set of the original 2 3/4 test ones and they had the action of a wet noodle.
The longbow blanks must have improved over the years, the old man had a set of the original 2 3/4 test ones and they had the action of a wet noodle.
In reply to Post #41
In the lower test curves I wouldn't know, I have an old set of Longbow DF's I've had since new that are 14/15 years old now in 12' 3.5 test which I bought for distance rods back then from memory they were around £150 a pop for comparison obviously now they have the stainless TDR guides and X45 weave and 15 years of inflation to add to the cost, they will still send a 3 1/2 oz lead out to around 130/140yards which is about my capabilities, they recover well enough even after all these years, not my favorite rods but they do a job when I need them.
In the lower test curves I wouldn't know, I have an old set of Longbow DF's I've had since new that are 14/15 years old now in 12' 3.5 test which I bought for distance rods back then from memory they were around £150 a pop for comparison obviously now they have the stainless TDR guides and X45 weave and 15 years of inflation to add to the cost, they will still send a 3 1/2 oz lead out to around 130/140yards which is about my capabilities, they recover well enough even after all these years, not my favorite rods but they do a job when I need them.
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