Hi
Can anyone recommend a good red seed base mix
Used to use Hutchies red seed back in the day
Cheers
Mark

In reply to Post #1
What about quality baits?
https://qualitybaits.co.uk/products/50-50-spicy-red-bird-base-mix

In reply to Post #1
Original old skool Hutchy red seed mixes -

Red Bird Food 1 =

3oz Nectarblend
3oz PTX
2oz Calcium Caseinate
2oz Robin Red

Red Birdfood 2 =

2 oz. ptx
1 oz robin red
1 oz calcium caseinate
2 oz. Full fat soya flour
2 oz lactopro (vitamealo)
1 \ 2 oz hot curry powder

In reply to Post #3
Thanks chaps
Thanks Peter for the recipes👍

In reply to Post #4
Very simple mixes, but with robin red not being what it was I'd be inclined to use paprika instead plus it would make it a lot more economical from a financial point of view.

In reply to Post #4
Baitworks Monster Red... You can buy the basemix in 5kg batches? Could be worth a call to see if there is a discount for larger amounts maybe?
Just a thought if you didn't want to source the separate ingredients as Peter has suggested?

In reply to Post #1
Have a look at a scientific baits red devil may be suitable.

In reply to Post #5
I ve been told robin red aint what it once was, is it different.

In reply to Post #8
They had to take the Red dye out of it because of a change in regulations. Whether the dye in itself was a major part of the attraction is open to debate. A lot of people say it's not what it was back in the day.
Personally I doubt it's now worth what they charge for it. Indeed if it ever was .

Have a look at the kingfisher version. Certainly stains your hands like the original. I used this in a bait I made with great effect.

But agree paprika is also very good on its own.

In reply to Post #9
It contained cantaxanthin.

Carophyll red is a brand of that, use another source and then it's true it “doesn't” contain it.

Inarguably in every tank test I've done paprika be it sweet, hot or smoked has outperformed RR or KR in terms of getting a positive response from fish, although interestingly all 3 variants have in my experience different optimal inclusion rates, when it comes to colour, if you want a bait more red, I'd suggest a bit of insoluble pigment. That is if it's inclusion is literally to colour

In reply to Post #11
Can you tell me what the robin red ingredient main functions are in a birdfood mix if possible, thanks.

In reply to Post #12
paprika and brown sugar.. there's not alot going for it in terms of functions. if I were you then I would just use paprika simply to cut the cost as stated.

In reply to Post #13
Thanks

In reply to Post #12
There is one or two attractive compounds in its make up but I don't use it anymore, the cost doesn't justify it when there is superior products cheaper. its my personal opinion only of course.

it colours, adds a bit of oil etc

In reply to Post #12
Robin red, as an ingredient - Distinctive, fish like eating it, and it passes through them quickly
But sadly seems to have out priced itself nowadays.

In reply to Post #16
It was vastly overrated anyway

In reply to Post #17
Don't know about that, but it turned the eels red

In reply to Post #17
@ip

I have seen many times the supposed composition of RR.
I have always wondered why the ingredient is so popular. In your opinion, why do you believe that RR is so popular? Is it purely because of the “Carpy” colour properties?

In reply to Post #19
My best guess is probably because it was from back when we didn't have anywhere near as much choice of ingredients that we do these days ,and it just kind of stuck.

In reply to Post #20
Carp fishing and especially bait making is a funny old game.

If I want to add a dark red to my mix, I do not even consider adding any type of dye.

In reply to Post #11
Is that the red factor stuff that was originally in the bird food used to turn canaries red?

In reply to Post #21
your only other realistic option then is blood powder, which can be a nightmare for bream and eels if you arent careful .

In reply to Post #23
Blood powder indeed!