Is anybody on here a syndicate member?
The video done by DNA baits i.e.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSDn6FYIP40 was pretty impressive.
To be honest I had never heard of the venue, it wasn't around in my early days of carp fishing i.e. 60's and 70's, anybody know when it first opened?
The video done by DNA baits i.e.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSDn6FYIP40 was pretty impressive.
To be honest I had never heard of the venue, it wasn't around in my early days of carp fishing i.e. 60's and 70's, anybody know when it first opened?
In reply to Post #1
Their website should answer most of your questions.
https://www.grenvillelake.com/
Personally watching that DNA film looks absolutely exhausting to me. Doesn't look like my idea of fun
Their website should answer most of your questions.
https://www.grenvillelake.com/
Personally watching that DNA film looks absolutely exhausting to me. Doesn't look like my idea of fun
In reply to Post #1
Hard to get on. Full of massive fish.
Hard to get on. Full of massive fish.
In reply to Post #2
Thanks, had a 2nd look at the website and found the info I was looking for i.e. lake 1st stocked in 2003 and opened to anglers in 2005, no wonder I hadn't heard of it in my good old days.
Thanks, had a 2nd look at the website and found the info I was looking for i.e. lake 1st stocked in 2003 and opened to anglers in 2005, no wonder I hadn't heard of it in my good old days.
I'd like a quid for every time someone said ‘bug' on that video.
In reply to Post #5
I walked this place around stocking time, probably could of afforded it then as well.....
I walked this place around stocking time, probably could of afforded it then as well.....
In reply to Post #5
Bug muncher
Bug muncher
In reply to Post #7
Had to really make myself watch that film. Really enjoyed it just can't stand the **** that calls himself mozza
Had to really make myself watch that film. Really enjoyed it just can't stand the **** that calls himself mozza
In reply to Post #8
Yeah I'm completely the same he really annoys me lol
Yeah I'm completely the same he really annoys me lol
In reply to Post #7
Im surprised that they had enough time to actually fish with the amount of 'baiting up' they had to do.🤔
Im surprised that they had enough time to actually fish with the amount of 'baiting up' they had to do.🤔
In reply to Post #2
I'm with you. Apart from physical fitness and some very basic skill in a pre booked swim where is the challenge in catching those fish. Sorry, for me, catching not angling.
Just number crunching. Genuinely leaves me cold. No way I could summon the motivation.
I'm with you. Apart from physical fitness and some very basic skill in a pre booked swim where is the challenge in catching those fish. Sorry, for me, catching not angling.
Just number crunching. Genuinely leaves me cold. No way I could summon the motivation.
In reply to Post #11
Don't forget the hormones lol
Don't forget the hormones lol
In reply to Post #9
Especially when he looks like he is about to take a bite out of the fish. Whats that about? 😂
Especially when he looks like he is about to take a bite out of the fish. Whats that about? 😂
In reply to Post #13
I was a member of the syndicate for a year. This was over 10 years ago. I caught some pretty fish, but nothing huge. Always knew it was going to become a big fish water. The investment, the stock and the bait that was going in. I couldn't justify keeping the ticket and I know it went up and up and up. I don't know what people pay now. However it is an awesome venue, might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's extremely well run. I was told when I left I could rejoin without any issues. I'm sure that's been forgotten about!! I doubt I'd ever go back, unless the wife kicked me out.
I was a member of the syndicate for a year. This was over 10 years ago. I caught some pretty fish, but nothing huge. Always knew it was going to become a big fish water. The investment, the stock and the bait that was going in. I couldn't justify keeping the ticket and I know it went up and up and up. I don't know what people pay now. However it is an awesome venue, might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's extremely well run. I was told when I left I could rejoin without any issues. I'm sure that's been forgotten about!! I doubt I'd ever go back, unless the wife kicked me out.
rule book bigger than the bible
Proper dead man's shoes now, even to get on the waiting list!
Amazing place, amazing stock....and it's not all big 150 yard chucks and mountains of bait.
Rules are strict but it makes for a fabulous fishery. I was on for 4 years and loved every minute, should never have left!
Amazing place, amazing stock....and it's not all big 150 yard chucks and mountains of bait.
Rules are strict but it makes for a fabulous fishery. I was on for 4 years and loved every minute, should never have left!
In reply to Post #16
Not dead mans shoes at all messaging the owner with a fishing cv will get you selected if your right but stringent rules and over fed wrongens for nearly 2 grand a year is not everyone s cup of tea
Not dead mans shoes at all messaging the owner with a fishing cv will get you selected if your right but stringent rules and over fed wrongens for nearly 2 grand a year is not everyone s cup of tea
In reply to Post #17
Agree, if your from the right stock👍
Agree, if your from the right stock👍
In reply to Post #17
Yeah righto
And regards the stock, are you Sure you aren't thinking of Holme Fen?
Yeah righto
And regards the stock, are you Sure you aren't thinking of Holme Fen?
In reply to Post #19
2000 fish nearly in 75 acres, like clubbing seals.The type of place for your instant angler, straight out the packet...just add water. Should be called Nodsville. Joke of a place.
Before someone goes 'but you're just jealous as you can't fish it' a guy at work was banging on about it and gave me the number couple or so years back, spoke to the bloke who runs it and he can across as a right knobber, some old gash about "elite water for elite anglers" and had arranged for a walk about. After checking out the stock, I laughed my arse off and told the bloke I wasn't interested at all. Can't see any difference between banging out zillions of roach on a match lake or this place, just the difference being the carp pull harder.
2000 fish nearly in 75 acres, like clubbing seals.The type of place for your instant angler, straight out the packet...just add water. Should be called Nodsville. Joke of a place.
Before someone goes 'but you're just jealous as you can't fish it' a guy at work was banging on about it and gave me the number couple or so years back, spoke to the bloke who runs it and he can across as a right knobber, some old gash about "elite water for elite anglers" and had arranged for a walk about. After checking out the stock, I laughed my arse off and told the bloke I wasn't interested at all. Can't see any difference between banging out zillions of roach on a match lake or this place, just the difference being the carp pull harder.
In reply to Post #20
might have known you would be along to enlighten everyone at some point....
might have known you would be along to enlighten everyone at some point....
In reply to Post #20
Have a look at Rob hales new pool, an old Shropshire mere he's took over drained and restocked.
Absolute shocking Mutant fish in a lake that contained absolute stunning fish. And people including Ali are telling the bloke he's amazing
Another ruined lake for the ready made angler.
Have a look at Rob hales new pool, an old Shropshire mere he's took over drained and restocked.
Absolute shocking Mutant fish in a lake that contained absolute stunning fish. And people including Ali are telling the bloke he's amazing
Another ruined lake for the ready made angler.
In reply to Post #20
Doesnt your "I'm a proper angler " elitest bullsh1t ever get boring ?
Doesnt your "I'm a proper angler " elitest bullsh1t ever get boring ?
In reply to Post #23
Nothing elitist about my opinion, boy. Just realistic of the state of the way things are going.
I'm happy enough catching sub 10lb fish on a stretch of canal, boy.
Nothing elitist about my opinion, boy. Just realistic of the state of the way things are going.
I'm happy enough catching sub 10lb fish on a stretch of canal, boy.
In reply to Post #22
Such a shame these money driven individuals ruin places. Unfortunately there's loads of people here and elsewhere that don't blink an eye.
The absolute state of these people.
Such a shame these money driven individuals ruin places. Unfortunately there's loads of people here and elsewhere that don't blink an eye.
The absolute state of these people.
In reply to Post #24
You are very elitest. It's tedious. Talking down like you are better. Calling me boy is the perfect example. Pathetic
You are very elitest. It's tedious. Talking down like you are better. Calling me boy is the perfect example. Pathetic
In reply to Post #25
Grenville may be expensive but it is nothing like a Monument/Pavyotts Mill/Strawberry Fields/Float Fish Farm or any other Israeli stuffed water....instead of throwing around insults do some research....
Grenville may be expensive but it is nothing like a Monument/Pavyotts Mill/Strawberry Fields/Float Fish Farm or any other Israeli stuffed water....instead of throwing around insults do some research....
In reply to Post #27
He doesn't need to, he knows it all already.......
He doesn't need to, he knows it all already.......
In reply to Post #27
i got offered a place on there some years ago. didnt take it as my lad was in Afghan as part of the royal marines 40 commando and my head wasnt in it at all.
sort of wish i took the place but timing wasnt the best.
I know a few lads that are on there, they love it. it certainly isnt an easy water despite what people think.
Its run with an iron rod, not for everyone i guess, but it stops the idiots getting on there.
i got offered a place on there some years ago. didnt take it as my lad was in Afghan as part of the royal marines 40 commando and my head wasnt in it at all.
sort of wish i took the place but timing wasnt the best.
I know a few lads that are on there, they love it. it certainly isnt an easy water despite what people think.
Its run with an iron rod, not for everyone i guess, but it stops the idiots getting on there.
In reply to Post #27
It doesn't matter what the stock is to be honest, could be full to the brim with Leney's and I'll say the same thing.
There isn't any real merit in catching fish from places like these, just a case of rocking up in your pre booked synthetic swim, catch, don't catch, rinse and repeat with a ridiculous head of fish going around and around the place like something from the film Midnight Express. Non of it is very memorable, a bit like going to a whore house, pays ya money and get ya nuts emptied, well done, top bombing.
More than likely the types of anglers that go to these types of venues are match fishing carp converts (MFCC) that have been brought up on similar places with the exception that the fish are smaller than those in Nodsville's and it's all just quite predictable /normal and who couldn't even remotely dream of going to a long forgotten forest pond where no-one bothers to fish anymore with only a handful of fish, after months of trying and associated nightmares of fishing such places, eventually catch a pristine common barely nudging the scales at 17lb.
It doesn't matter what the stock is to be honest, could be full to the brim with Leney's and I'll say the same thing.
There isn't any real merit in catching fish from places like these, just a case of rocking up in your pre booked synthetic swim, catch, don't catch, rinse and repeat with a ridiculous head of fish going around and around the place like something from the film Midnight Express. Non of it is very memorable, a bit like going to a whore house, pays ya money and get ya nuts emptied, well done, top bombing.
More than likely the types of anglers that go to these types of venues are match fishing carp converts (MFCC) that have been brought up on similar places with the exception that the fish are smaller than those in Nodsville's and it's all just quite predictable /normal and who couldn't even remotely dream of going to a long forgotten forest pond where no-one bothers to fish anymore with only a handful of fish, after months of trying and associated nightmares of fishing such places, eventually catch a pristine common barely nudging the scales at 17lb.
In reply to Post #30
One has choices in life.
no one is forcing another to fish anywhere
One has choices in life.
no one is forcing another to fish anywhere
In reply to Post #31
Not really the case is it? More and more places are using the same ideas of these places until eventually carp fishing will be only available to those with very deep pockets similar to your salmon fishing or expensive golf courses, places where your normal working class type chap will be excluded from simply down to money.
Not really the case is it? More and more places are using the same ideas of these places until eventually carp fishing will be only available to those with very deep pockets similar to your salmon fishing or expensive golf courses, places where your normal working class type chap will be excluded from simply down to money.
In reply to Post #32
is what it is im afraid.
said it years ago, more fenced protected waters that will command higher prices.
is what it is im afraid.
said it years ago, more fenced protected waters that will command higher prices.
In reply to Post #30
It doesn't have to be that blinkered though. And you are wrong to put all in the same bracket.
There is nothing synthetic about Grenville, you don't pre-book swims and as Joss has already said, it may be a "new" fishery with comfortable swims and have a large head of (non-Iranian, English bread) fish but it is far from easy. It also has some very experienced and highly respected, anglers on the syndicate.....anglers who are members of the BCSG no less who also spend their time fishing ponds originally designed by Capability Brown.
As Joss said each to their own, I personally couldn't care less where you or anyone else casts a line, doesn't mean i don't care about the heritage or indeed future of Carp fishing.
It doesn't have to be that blinkered though. And you are wrong to put all in the same bracket.
There is nothing synthetic about Grenville, you don't pre-book swims and as Joss has already said, it may be a "new" fishery with comfortable swims and have a large head of (non-Iranian, English bread) fish but it is far from easy. It also has some very experienced and highly respected, anglers on the syndicate.....anglers who are members of the BCSG no less who also spend their time fishing ponds originally designed by Capability Brown.
As Joss said each to their own, I personally couldn't care less where you or anyone else casts a line, doesn't mean i don't care about the heritage or indeed future of Carp fishing.
In reply to Post #20
How anyone who uses a GPS bait boat for their UK fishing could have the gall to call anyone a noddy is a good one
How anyone who uses a GPS bait boat for their UK fishing could have the gall to call anyone a noddy is a good one
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TeeHee........
TeeHee........
In reply to Post #35
One of my dogs is a rescue that has been taught to chase things from a young age, it's now hardwired into him and looses his mind when I cast out constantly/spodding etc, so it's a case of managing that inbuilt frenzy = baitboat. Would rather not use one, just a case of being more relaxing not having a dog seriously loosing his s4it or other anglers having to put up with a mental dog screeching.
Inb4 well don't take him, haven't got a choice on that one.
One of my dogs is a rescue that has been taught to chase things from a young age, it's now hardwired into him and looses his mind when I cast out constantly/spodding etc, so it's a case of managing that inbuilt frenzy = baitboat. Would rather not use one, just a case of being more relaxing not having a dog seriously loosing his s4it or other anglers having to put up with a mental dog screeching.
Inb4 well don't take him, haven't got a choice on that one.
In reply to Post #33
Yeah, sure, I get what you're saying, all the same, places like this one only make things worse in the long run.
Yeah, sure, I get what you're saying, all the same, places like this one only make things worse in the long run.
In reply to Post #34
Deep down, you know I'm right however hard you try and ignore the blindingly obvious.
If you wanna fish these sorts of venues, I'll certainly not stop you, all I'll ever do is highlight the reality and where it all will lead to.
Deep down, you know I'm right however hard you try and ignore the blindingly obvious.
If you wanna fish these sorts of venues, I'll certainly not stop you, all I'll ever do is highlight the reality and where it all will lead to.
In reply to Post #40
Couldn't disagree with you more....the "blindingly obvious" is your complete ignorance!
Couldn't disagree with you more....the "blindingly obvious" is your complete ignorance!
In reply to Post #38
So Grenville, Wraysbury, Horton Church...The ‘noddy' waters in your book, you wouldn't even be able to fish anyway because you can't use a bait boat?! No wonder you have such a chip about them.
Are there even any decent waters that do allow bait boats? I thought it was only french lakes and day tickets.
So Grenville, Wraysbury, Horton Church...The ‘noddy' waters in your book, you wouldn't even be able to fish anyway because you can't use a bait boat?! No wonder you have such a chip about them.
Are there even any decent waters that do allow bait boats? I thought it was only french lakes and day tickets.
In reply to Post #39
You have to take your hat off to Paul (whilst he can be a very difficult chap at times) he had the foresight to obtain a large pit and fence it pre the otter popularity and predation problems we face today.
I bet that any lake owner that wants to be successful and keep their valuable stock alive wishes they did the same as Grenville before now.
Small lakes, large lakes be it of whatever ones choice to fish will have suffered if not fenced to the cost of the owner, members etc.
You have to take your hat off to Paul (whilst he can be a very difficult chap at times) he had the foresight to obtain a large pit and fence it pre the otter popularity and predation problems we face today.
I bet that any lake owner that wants to be successful and keep their valuable stock alive wishes they did the same as Grenville before now.
Small lakes, large lakes be it of whatever ones choice to fish will have suffered if not fenced to the cost of the owner, members etc.
In reply to Post #42
Not a chip on my shoulder, that's you projecting.
Someone points out the fake plastic nature of these places, reeling in mental anguish due to cognitive dissonance and hurt feels, they screech out in pain, not my problem.
Not a chip on my shoulder, that's you projecting.
Someone points out the fake plastic nature of these places, reeling in mental anguish due to cognitive dissonance and hurt feels, they screech out in pain, not my problem.
In reply to Post #44
"cognitive dissonance"....you do know what that actually means right or did you just think you would chuck it in to try and bamboozle people...you literally display perfect symptoms....
Talk about proving (to anyone who had any doubt anyway) that you are a complete and utter numpty....
"cognitive dissonance"....you do know what that actually means right or did you just think you would chuck it in to try and bamboozle people...you literally display perfect symptoms....
Talk about proving (to anyone who had any doubt anyway) that you are a complete and utter numpty....
In reply to Post #45
Rights ladies...
Ive watched and contributed to this thread.
Lets leave the personal comments coming back and forth before another decent thread gets locked hey.
Its only fishing and differing of opinions, no need for anything else
Rights ladies...
Ive watched and contributed to this thread.
Lets leave the personal comments coming back and forth before another decent thread gets locked hey.
Its only fishing and differing of opinions, no need for anything else
In reply to Post #46
Fair do's
Fair do's
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In reply to Post #46
No worries boss...
No worries boss...
In reply to Post #49
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I've a few v good friends currently members, and a few who are ex members, all love/loved their time on there.
Your comments about Paul are perhaps a little understated, according to my friends lol
I've a few v good friends currently members, and a few who are ex members, all love/loved their time on there.
Your comments about Paul are perhaps a little understated, according to my friends lol
In reply to Post #43
I take your points again.
It must have cost a small fortune to fence that place off. On the money sides of it, it's what it is. If you want to fork out £1800 quid - that's what he was asking at the time and said that it would go up each year when I spoke to him - then that's what it is.
Don't get me wrong, other than what I've said about my telephone conversation with the guy, I've no beef with the bloke. I wholeheartedly applaud anyone that's puts it on the line and is successful at the end of it. My beef is the sheer number of fish, and like I've said, I don't see it any differently to fishing a match lake crammed full of fish, with this fishery it's just on a bigger scale with larger fish. It reminds me of a video I saw some years back of businessmen in Japan going on the roof of their place of work on their lunch break for some relaxation time and fishing tanks filled with fish, in a weird sort of way, to my mind, the similarities are striking.
If the numbers of fish were smaller, I'd more than likely warm to the place, as it is, it's not my cuppa and all very meritless and forgettable in the scheme of things.
I take your points again.
It must have cost a small fortune to fence that place off. On the money sides of it, it's what it is. If you want to fork out £1800 quid - that's what he was asking at the time and said that it would go up each year when I spoke to him - then that's what it is.
Don't get me wrong, other than what I've said about my telephone conversation with the guy, I've no beef with the bloke. I wholeheartedly applaud anyone that's puts it on the line and is successful at the end of it. My beef is the sheer number of fish, and like I've said, I don't see it any differently to fishing a match lake crammed full of fish, with this fishery it's just on a bigger scale with larger fish. It reminds me of a video I saw some years back of businessmen in Japan going on the roof of their place of work on their lunch break for some relaxation time and fishing tanks filled with fish, in a weird sort of way, to my mind, the similarities are striking.
If the numbers of fish were smaller, I'd more than likely warm to the place, as it is, it's not my cuppa and all very meritless and forgettable in the scheme of things.
In reply to Post #51
he is what he is mate. his lake, his rules...
when i got offered to join, i declined for reasons i explained earlier....he got the arse with me cause i said "thank you, but my heads not right"
dont think he understood nor had many decline.
hes a dam good shot on the clays though
he is what he is mate. his lake, his rules...
when i got offered to join, i declined for reasons i explained earlier....he got the arse with me cause i said "thank you, but my heads not right"
dont think he understood nor had many decline.
hes a dam good shot on the clays though
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Funnily enough he got shirty with me. I didn't go into detail like I've done here. I can't exactly remember what I said - I was polite - he did sent me a salty txt back. Oh well
Funnily enough he got shirty with me. I didn't go into detail like I've done here. I can't exactly remember what I said - I was polite - he did sent me a salty txt back. Oh well
In reply to Post #55
we wont be the first nor last
we wont be the first nor last
In reply to Post #56
Really glad I started this thread, didn't think there would be so many responses and quite surprised by a few of them. Shame I no longer live in Bedfordshire and am not 40 years younger, I would have been more than happy to have fished the place given the chance.
Really glad I started this thread, didn't think there would be so many responses and quite surprised by a few of them. Shame I no longer live in Bedfordshire and am not 40 years younger, I would have been more than happy to have fished the place given the chance.
In reply to Post #57
its a decent thread mate, i for one just dont want it ruined
its a decent thread mate, i for one just dont want it ruined
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In reply to Post #52
to quote from field of dreams - "if you built it, they we come" And they have/do.
However Paul does seems a bit marmite, however not my choice of venue personally, bit too commercial, but I know a few people that got on the list, and fished it. Said similar things about the set up, and the sales pitch for his depths maps, etc.
His long term idea/investment is protected by the otter fence and strict rules. His Stock fish choice and loads of baits over the years have certainly helped to stack the weight on, to become what it is. Glad he put some scaley ones in they as it was a bit big and bland. It needed it.
Carp fishing has become a bit of a monster, a victim of it's own success, the mags, marketing and social media all drive for bigger fish, pounds and ounces, makes this sort of places more appealing. You pay your money, you make your choice.
to quote from field of dreams - "if you built it, they we come" And they have/do.
However Paul does seems a bit marmite, however not my choice of venue personally, bit too commercial, but I know a few people that got on the list, and fished it. Said similar things about the set up, and the sales pitch for his depths maps, etc.
His long term idea/investment is protected by the otter fence and strict rules. His Stock fish choice and loads of baits over the years have certainly helped to stack the weight on, to become what it is. Glad he put some scaley ones in they as it was a bit big and bland. It needed it.
Carp fishing has become a bit of a monster, a victim of it's own success, the mags, marketing and social media all drive for bigger fish, pounds and ounces, makes this sort of places more appealing. You pay your money, you make your choice.
In reply to Post #60
nothing else to add really
nothing else to add really
In reply to Post #61
Got to take your hat off to him though, he has achieved what HE set out to do
Got to take your hat off to him though, he has achieved what HE set out to do
In reply to Post #60
Top post 👍
Whenever I see a mention of these kinds of things, I get this internal sucking a lemon moment come across me, my own internal bias I suppose.
Top post 👍
Whenever I see a mention of these kinds of things, I get this internal sucking a lemon moment come across me, my own internal bias I suppose.
In reply to Post #62
indeed...it wont suit everyone....nor will anything in life.
would fish it....yes
would i join it now....No
indeed...it wont suit everyone....nor will anything in life.
would fish it....yes
would i join it now....No
Looks a lovely lake with some beautiful scaleys. I think most wouldn't turn down a ticket if they got the chance and prepared to pay the Wonga. I know the guys on dna made it look easy but im sure it's far from east a lot of the time
In reply to Post #65
question is though...
could you fish next to that bloody Mozza...
if nothing else, id have to knock that pathetic cap of his head
question is though...
could you fish next to that bloody Mozza...
if nothing else, id have to knock that pathetic cap of his head
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No not in a million years he does my head in. I'd knock that cap of shave that rubbish excuse for a beard and throw him in. Every other word is yesssss or buzzing
No not in a million years he does my head in. I'd knock that cap of shave that rubbish excuse for a beard and throw him in. Every other word is yesssss or buzzing
In reply to Post #68
modern day whore in my book....but i best not start or i'll be modded
modern day whore in my book....but i best not start or i'll be modded
In reply to Post #65
Just had a look at the waiting list..... 147 on there, closed waiting list now.
I seem to remember from what my friend took me after a walk round, if you went on the list, that you paid a non refundable fee, like £100 or £200, if you declined the ticket ..... or he took off your ticket price if you did.
Is that still the case ?
Doh just checked.
Anyone not wishing to take up their ticket when it comes up will be removed from the list and lose their deposit.
Just had a look at the waiting list..... 147 on there, closed waiting list now.
I seem to remember from what my friend took me after a walk round, if you went on the list, that you paid a non refundable fee, like £100 or £200, if you declined the ticket ..... or he took off your ticket price if you did.
Is that still the case ?
Doh
just checked.Anyone not wishing to take up their ticket when it comes up will be removed from the list and lose their deposit.
In reply to Post #70
£100 to be on list from wat i remember
£100 to be on list from wat i remember
Just actually looked at the syndicate rules. It's amazing how you can be misinformed or misled by a video. I could have sworn that Mr Bartlett said it was a boilie only water and that swims had to be booked before arrival. If I misunderstood him I apologise. If the rules I read were the current ones then this is not the case. I can find nothing in the rules to get airiated about at all except the 48 hour rule unless it's 48 hours in any one swim allowing anglers to move to another.
I'm old enough to know better than to listen to social media. Get information from the horses mouth.
I'm old enough to know better than to listen to social media. Get information from the horses mouth.
In reply to Post #72
Some of those rules are out of date. It is a boilie only water now, you don't have to pre-book swims, (only if you want to book the Cabin) and it is 48hrs unless pre agreed.
Some of those rules are out of date. It is a boilie only water now, you don't have to pre-book swims, (only if you want to book the Cabin) and it is 48hrs unless pre agreed.
In reply to Post #53
Ha, some of the story's I've heard....honest ones too
, not bull.
I would never join, I would be crapping myself with a fish in the net and him standing behind, especially if he's in a ****ty mood.
And telling him to get f....d would be a costly one.
Ha, some of the story's I've heard....honest ones too
, not bull.
I would never join, I would be crapping myself with a fish in the net and him standing behind, especially if he's in a ****ty mood.
And telling him to get f....d would be a costly one.
In reply to Post #73
Thanks. So after you finish your 48 hours when can you return to fish another session?
Thanks. So after you finish your 48 hours when can you return to fish another session?
In reply to Post #75
Used to be 5 days...but like I said, he was very flexible if you didn't take the piss, it was mainly to deter "full-timers"...there was never any problem moving swims in a session either...
Used to be 5 days...but like I said, he was very flexible if you didn't take the piss, it was mainly to deter "full-timers"...there was never any problem moving swims in a session either...
In reply to Post #76
Assuming that is still the situation it makes it hard to maximise your fishing time ie two weeks holiday means four days fishing with a five day break in between. I understand the time bandit problem and see the need to control it but this way makes it very expensive not to say very profitable. Many more paying members accessing heavily rationed fishing. Interesting to know current prices.
Assuming that is still the situation it makes it hard to maximise your fishing time ie two weeks holiday means four days fishing with a five day break in between. I understand the time bandit problem and see the need to control it but this way makes it very expensive not to say very profitable. Many more paying members accessing heavily rationed fishing. Interesting to know current prices.
In reply to Post #77
think he shuts it for a couple of months also, june july
think he shuts it for a couple of months also, june july
Not that I'd ever have to worry about a lake that's 2k a year to fish, especially as the chances of me getting a recommendation are nil as I don't know anybody, but reminds me a bit of the pit in the syndicate books 😂
Interesting to look at the business model. In the video I think 70 ish acres was mentioned as the size. How many swims are there on the lake for how many members?
In reply to Post #80
have a look at the lake map mate, swims on there
members wise, guess only Paul knows
have a look at the lake map mate, swims on there
members wise, guess only Paul knows
In reply to Post #77
If you were on holiday and wanted to fish longer sessions during that time I am sure this would be considered, like I say, he was very fair as long as you weren't a piss-taker....if you did 48 hours week in and week out then asked for a 4 night session that might be stretching it.
If you were on holiday and wanted to fish longer sessions during that time I am sure this would be considered, like I say, he was very fair as long as you weren't a piss-taker....if you did 48 hours week in and week out then asked for a 4 night session that might be stretching it.
In reply to Post #80
72 Acres, 36 well spaced, immaculate swims. Don't know on number of members now but it used to be around 70-80, don't think there will be many more.
72 Acres, 36 well spaced, immaculate swims. Don't know on number of members now but it used to be around 70-80, don't think there will be many more.
In reply to Post #83
If you have £2k and like brown nosing you'll get on well
Fishing aside its a good fun water that is safe, secure and comfortable.
If you have £2k and like brown nosing you'll get on well
Fishing aside its a good fun water that is safe, secure and comfortable.
In reply to Post #82
So despite paying 2 grand a year he only wants you to fish a maximum of 2 nights a week? And its closed for 2 months a year. Is spawning closure on top of that? Plus any other necessary closures.
So despite paying 2 grand a year he only wants you to fish a maximum of 2 nights a week? And its closed for 2 months a year. Is spawning closure on top of that? Plus any other necessary closures.
It is what it is, Grenville will suit some, not others, like most waters. If you are interested contact the owner, discuss and make your own mind up.
And there is certainly no brown nosing, be fair with the owner and he will be fair with you. Take the piss and you won't be on there long, which is how any good syndicate should be run.
And there is certainly no brown nosing, be fair with the owner and he will be fair with you. Take the piss and you won't be on there long, which is how any good syndicate should be run.
In reply to Post #85
Got to admit this would really put me off 48hrs is the minimum I do, I normally fish a 48hr once a month and then a 3 or 4 day once a month aswell
Got to admit this would really put me off 48hrs is the minimum I do, I normally fish a 48hr once a month and then a 3 or 4 day once a month aswell
If what has been written on here is accurate that is one money making machine. If the fishery is open 300 days a year as has been said and has 36 swims available that provides 4,400 48 hour sessions available for permit holders. If every permit holder uses their full entitlement fishing 1 session in every seven days they can do 43 sessions. A realistic number of permit holders is 100 rather than the 80 or so mentioned. This would keep the lake full but not over subscribed and allowing for the fact that people will not fish every session then 150 is more than feasible. Of course there may only be 50 members or less to keep things quiet and exclusive
These are not exact calculations and are based on info from this thread. A possible £300,000.00 gross pa from permits alone is one hell of a take. Makes you think
These are not exact calculations and are based on info from this thread. A possible £300,000.00 gross pa from permits alone is one hell of a take. Makes you think
In reply to Post #88
There's no way there could be anywhere near 150 members...it just wouldn't work.
There's no way there could be anywhere near 150 members...it just wouldn't work.
In reply to Post #89
Simple arithmetic says 100 anglers fishing 2 days out of 7 in the ten months the lake is open will not overload the lake in terms of swim availability. In reality many of those anglers will not fish every one of their available sessions, especially as it seems to be frowned on. 150 would be very manageable. The numbers don't lie. Check them out in my previous post. Happy to be proved wrong.
I am not claiming I am right, I am saying it is possible.
Simple arithmetic says 100 anglers fishing 2 days out of 7 in the ten months the lake is open will not overload the lake in terms of swim availability. In reality many of those anglers will not fish every one of their available sessions, especially as it seems to be frowned on. 150 would be very manageable. The numbers don't lie. Check them out in my previous post. Happy to be proved wrong.
I am not claiming I am right, I am saying it is possible.
In reply to Post #90
LOL...nobody needs to be proved right or wrong because there are far too many variables to consider...it may be mathematically possible, you can work the numbers however you wish but as someone who knows the set up there I'm telling you 150 members would not work.
LOL...nobody needs to be proved right or wrong because there are far too many variables to consider...it may be mathematically possible, you can work the numbers however you wish but as someone who knows the set up there I'm telling you 150 members would not work.
In reply to Post #88
There must be huge outgoing costs though. And I mean huge. If they really wanted a money making machine, built some wooden huts around the lake, and they would be charging 2k a week, not a year.
There must be huge outgoing costs though. And I mean huge. If they really wanted a money making machine, built some wooden huts around the lake, and they would be charging 2k a week, not a year.
In reply to Post #92
There are outgoing costs in any business, they are unavoidable and they will take a significant part of the income. They are however, generally tax deductable. Why would the costs at Grenville need to be "huge and I mean huge" as you say.
I've got nothing against this fishery or it's owner I just think that this and similar purely commercial business models are leading angling down a dangerous path.
One other point. This is not a syndicate. The paying anglers have no stake in the fishery and no say in the running or the rules. In fact it seems they very much have to do as they are told.
Again I have no problem with this but let's call things as they are.
There are outgoing costs in any business, they are unavoidable and they will take a significant part of the income. They are however, generally tax deductable. Why would the costs at Grenville need to be "huge and I mean huge" as you say.
I've got nothing against this fishery or it's owner I just think that this and similar purely commercial business models are leading angling down a dangerous path.
One other point. This is not a syndicate. The paying anglers have no stake in the fishery and no say in the running or the rules. In fact it seems they very much have to do as they are told.
Again I have no problem with this but let's call things as they are.
In reply to Post #91
But you don't tell me why. You say yourself that you don't know how many paying anglers there are.
But you don't tell me why. You say yourself that you don't know how many paying anglers there are.
In reply to Post #94
Do I really have to "prove you wrong".....I find that totally bizarre... 
Not all swims can be fished at once....the lake is seasonal, much quieter in the winter....a higher proportion of weekend anglers than weekday.... I could go on.
So yes, mathematically it could support 150 but realistically it never could. You would easily end up with every swim taken and anglers being turned away during the "peak" months....which has never and will never happen....
And as for it not being a syndicate.... ....by that definition there are virtually no syndicates in the country...again....bizarre that you single out Grenville
Do I really have to "prove you wrong".....I find that totally bizarre...
Not all swims can be fished at once....the lake is seasonal, much quieter in the winter....a higher proportion of weekend anglers than weekday.... I could go on.
So yes, mathematically it could support 150 but realistically it never could. You would easily end up with every swim taken and anglers being turned away during the "peak" months....which has never and will never happen....
And as for it not being a syndicate....
....by that definition there are virtually no syndicates in the country...again....bizarre that you single out Grenville
In reply to Post #93
Unless he owns the lake, which with the land would have cost what? He will be paying a lease. Insurance, all the ground keeping. The cost of fencing the place. Stocking isn't cheap, and I belive he regularly feeds the fish, which won't be cheap.
There's an awful lot of money been put in to create a Fishery like this.
Unless he owns the lake, which with the land would have cost what? He will be paying a lease. Insurance, all the ground keeping. The cost of fencing the place. Stocking isn't cheap, and I belive he regularly feeds the fish, which won't be cheap.
There's an awful lot of money been put in to create a Fishery like this.
In reply to Post #95
On your last point
Halfcentury is correct in what he's saying. Say you and a few pals all chip in X amount and did the lottery together with a bunch of numbers. If the numbers came in, you'd all share the prize money, same thing for a legit carp "syndicate", you all chip in X amount to cover costs per year, say you sold a few fish in a year, you pile the money back into the syndicate, come the end of the year, you divide all the money up if any is left over, pocket what the share is, rinse and repeat.
These so called syndicates are illusionary, just a weird tag, more like a member's club which gives you certain privileges over the course of a years membership.
On your last point
Halfcentury is correct in what he's saying. Say you and a few pals all chip in X amount and did the lottery together with a bunch of numbers. If the numbers came in, you'd all share the prize money, same thing for a legit carp "syndicate", you all chip in X amount to cover costs per year, say you sold a few fish in a year, you pile the money back into the syndicate, come the end of the year, you divide all the money up if any is left over, pocket what the share is, rinse and repeat.
These so called syndicates are illusionary, just a weird tag, more like a member's club which gives you certain privileges over the course of a years membership.
In reply to Post #97
I understand the definition of syndicate and was simply pointing out that going by his definition there are very few in the country....completely agree though, most lakes that you pay a yearly subscription to are nothing more than a glorified and to a certain extent exclusive club...
I understand the definition of syndicate and was simply pointing out that going by his definition there are very few in the country....completely agree though, most lakes that you pay a yearly subscription to are nothing more than a glorified and to a certain extent exclusive club...
In reply to Post #98
I only know of one to be honest. Tried to winkle my way on there... no joy on that count, tw4ts
I only know of one to be honest. Tried to winkle my way on there... no joy on that count, tw4ts
In reply to Post #88
There is an 'industry standard' for working out membership numbers.
Number of swims X 3.5 = number of members. Apparently this works well.
I've been told that some work on 4 X number of swims.
There is an 'industry standard' for working out membership numbers.
Number of swims X 3.5 = number of members. Apparently this works well.
I've been told that some work on 4 X number of swims.
In reply to Post #100
That might work on some and not on others obviously. Some owners push it further, I was on a lake where there were 8 fishable swims, (10 at a push) and there was 45 members.....it was carnage most weekends and busy in the week.
The weekday/weekend rota tickets work well, you can have more members safe in the knowledge that a certain percentage are never going to be there from Friday to Sunday.....
I think most owners will push numbers as high as they dare, especially if it is their living. Fine line though.
That might work on some and not on others obviously. Some owners push it further, I was on a lake where there were 8 fishable swims, (10 at a push) and there was 45 members.....it was carnage most weekends and busy in the week.
The weekday/weekend rota tickets work well, you can have more members safe in the knowledge that a certain percentage are never going to be there from Friday to Sunday.....
I think most owners will push numbers as high as they dare, especially if it is their living. Fine line though.
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In reply to Post #20
I have mate who has been a member for 7 years plus. Clubbing seals? I don't think so, it's far from an easy water and it's huge and very deep. Blanks are common. Clubbing seals is an I'll informed comment.
These videos showing a team catching well can be misleading, they don't post the blanks or info on leg ups they got..
I fished it for 48 hours as a guest a few years ago. Very impressive lake, stunning place and very well managed and immaculately maintained banks.
I considered joining but was already a member of a superb quiet syndicate and Gren was 3 hours from mine which was an hour further than my current syndicate.
It's expensive and since I fished it membership has become much harder to obtain due to the fish sizes increasing fast and also many known YouTube anglers promoting it.
I have mate who has been a member for 7 years plus. Clubbing seals? I don't think so, it's far from an easy water and it's huge and very deep. Blanks are common. Clubbing seals is an I'll informed comment.
These videos showing a team catching well can be misleading, they don't post the blanks or info on leg ups they got..
I fished it for 48 hours as a guest a few years ago. Very impressive lake, stunning place and very well managed and immaculately maintained banks.
I considered joining but was already a member of a superb quiet syndicate and Gren was 3 hours from mine which was an hour further than my current syndicate.
It's expensive and since I fished it membership has become much harder to obtain due to the fish sizes increasing fast and also many known YouTube anglers promoting it.
In reply to Post #103
lol.
lol.
Anyone know the current price? I've been told wildly varying amounts.
In reply to Post #105
From what to what....££?
From what to what....££?
In reply to Post #106
Between 2 and 5k.
Between 2 and 5k.
In reply to Post #107
Wow! It is much closer to £2K.....no way near £2.5k, let alone £5K....
Wow! It is much closer to £2K.....no way near £2.5k, let alone £5K....
In reply to Post #103
Would agree with you Ian, I was a member for 10 years so saw the fish weights coming through. Whilst I caught many carp from Grenville for a weekender blanks could also be common. In the early days multiple hits were common place (I think 14 fish over 15ib up to high twenties in a day was the most I had) but as the carp grew bigger and got wiser it definitely slowed up. There is a train of thought that we as anglers pushed them out due to our constant love of long range fishing! In latter years it was a very much bait and wait water but again unless you have the time to wait ( a lot of my trips were 24hours) you could miss the shoal turning up altogether. As for price I know what I paid until leaving in May 2022 due to ill health, what it is now I'm not sure but a call to Paul (contact details on the website for waiting list) should sort out that question. It is/was expensive but the quality and size of fish are second to none (I do believe Grenville will do the next UK record), you are fishing in secure surroundings there are some facilities there (these granted needed a bit of TLC when I left but may have been sorted now). The site is bio secure and otter fenced, as the saying goes you pays your money and makes your choice.
Michael
Would agree with you Ian, I was a member for 10 years so saw the fish weights coming through. Whilst I caught many carp from Grenville for a weekender blanks could also be common. In the early days multiple hits were common place (I think 14 fish over 15ib up to high twenties in a day was the most I had) but as the carp grew bigger and got wiser it definitely slowed up. There is a train of thought that we as anglers pushed them out due to our constant love of long range fishing! In latter years it was a very much bait and wait water but again unless you have the time to wait ( a lot of my trips were 24hours) you could miss the shoal turning up altogether. As for price I know what I paid until leaving in May 2022 due to ill health, what it is now I'm not sure but a call to Paul (contact details on the website for waiting list) should sort out that question. It is/was expensive but the quality and size of fish are second to none (I do believe Grenville will do the next UK record), you are fishing in secure surroundings there are some facilities there (these granted needed a bit of TLC when I left but may have been sorted now). The site is bio secure and otter fenced, as the saying goes you pays your money and makes your choice.
Michael
In reply to Post #109
Well said.
Grens is a superb water, very well managed and has more or less everything you could ever want from a "premium" fishery....it isn't cheap to join and the boilie only rule makes heavy baiting costly....but...you certainly get what you pay for. In terms of fish stock, yes there is a large head of Carp but at 72 acres with depths down to 40ft there is a lot of water for them to hide in!
Completely agree, it is not an easy water. The rules are in place predominantly for fish safety but they can make the fishing even harder at certain times of the year, you just need to fish effectively and think differently, they are certainly still catchable. Yes a lot of fishing on there is at range over large beds of bait but they also come out of the margins, you may have seen Zamora land a 50 just yards out on the OMC video.
It will never be everyones cup of tea but the comments regarding clubbing seals, instant water and wrong-uns are miss-informed and way off the mark.
Well said.
Grens is a superb water, very well managed and has more or less everything you could ever want from a "premium" fishery....it isn't cheap to join and the boilie only rule makes heavy baiting costly....but...you certainly get what you pay for. In terms of fish stock, yes there is a large head of Carp but at 72 acres with depths down to 40ft there is a lot of water for them to hide in!
Completely agree, it is not an easy water. The rules are in place predominantly for fish safety but they can make the fishing even harder at certain times of the year, you just need to fish effectively and think differently, they are certainly still catchable. Yes a lot of fishing on there is at range over large beds of bait but they also come out of the margins, you may have seen Zamora land a 50 just yards out on the OMC video.
It will never be everyones cup of tea but the comments regarding clubbing seals, instant water and wrong-uns are miss-informed and way off the mark.
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