Looking at getting a new bedchair or sleep system. Have an old Trakker els but even with paracord as tight as I can get it, it still has a load of sag in it.
I mostly carp fish spring through to autumn so not sure I really need a sleep system, but I like the idea of it all being attached together etc.
Friend has an Avid Benchmark which seems decent.
Also looked on here and the Solar sp c tech also seems to get good reviews.
Any others I should be considering? Trakker oval? Aqua atom?
I don't want Fox or Nash.
I don't want / need a wide bed, but it does need to be 6 foot.
I mostly carp fish spring through to autumn so not sure I really need a sleep system, but I like the idea of it all being attached together etc.
Friend has an Avid Benchmark which seems decent.
Also looked on here and the Solar sp c tech also seems to get good reviews.
Any others I should be considering? Trakker oval? Aqua atom?
I don't want Fox or Nash.
I don't want / need a wide bed, but it does need to be 6 foot.
In reply to Post #1
Solar is best bed I have owned by a country mile
Solar is best bed I have owned by a country mile
In reply to Post #2
You have the sleep system or just the bed?
Any negatives or nothing to dislike?
You have the sleep system or just the bed?
Any negatives or nothing to dislike?
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Just the bed,i put a fortis bag on it as the bed is a little bit heavier than some.The build quality justifies the weight imo and no negatives from me.I had the trakker els and the solar is far better built 👍
Just the bed,i put a fortis bag on it as the bed is a little bit heavier than some.The build quality justifies the weight imo and no negatives from me.I had the trakker els and the solar is far better built 👍
Trakker oval levelite is top (i have the Tall version, same as V2 but higher leg option) only negative: weight but worth for me considering the build quality, you cant compare the Oval levelite mattress with Trakker Els/Rlx the oval levelite Micro fleece High-density sculptured mattress is from another level
If you want a firmer matrass then the Solar sp-c tech or the Solar Ch08 cheaper then the sp-c tech but still a very good bedchair, for me the mattress of the CH08 felt better than the the Sp-c tech one.
If you want a firmer matrass then the Solar sp-c tech or the Solar Ch08 cheaper then the sp-c tech but still a very good bedchair, for me the mattress of the CH08 felt better than the the Sp-c tech one.
100% agree with braders. Ive owned just about all the top end beds and now have the solar sp ctec and its by far the most comfy well built bed ive ever owned and its super firm like you want.
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Thanks, do you have just the bed or the sleep system? If you have the sleep system is it good / worth it?
Thanks, do you have just the bed or the sleep system? If you have the sleep system is it good / worth it?
In reply to Post #7
C-tech bed, fortis bag and a “from the dark age” Trakker Armo sleeping bag sleeve.
So much better than a sleep system as can add warmer or cooler bags should conditions dictate.
C-tech bed, fortis bag and a “from the dark age” Trakker Armo sleeping bag sleeve.
So much better than a sleep system as can add warmer or cooler bags should conditions dictate.
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A lad I fish with has the sleep system and the bag and cover is good quality.I don't think you would be disappointed with either option
A lad I fish with has the sleep system and the bag and cover is good quality.I don't think you would be disappointed with either option
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I dont like sleep systems. I have the wide ctec bed and use it with a gardner plus duver bag which fits perfectly.
I dont like sleep systems. I have the wide ctec bed and use it with a gardner plus duver bag which fits perfectly.
Before going out and getting the solar bed. Ask yourself the one question that really matters. Do you sleep on your side , on your back or on your front . I have had the ctech bed along with numerous others. I also suffer with a bad back . But because I sleep on my side and with the lack of elastic on the solar bed it was far to firm and caused more problems than it solved. I'm now using the mk2 flatliner sleep system and is absolutely by far the best bed for the way I sleep👍. If you do sleep on your side then go for a firm bed that can be adjusted by slacken the elastics a little. To sleep on your side a bed needs even just a little give to take the contours of your shape into account . When you lay on your side your body isn't as flat as it would be if you are on your back.
In reply to Post #8
The fortis I presume doesn't attach to the bedchair, is that what the bag sleeve does?
The fortis I presume doesn't attach to the bedchair, is that what the bag sleeve does?
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Well that's a tricky question to answer 🤣 I don't sleep well at home or on the bank and as such sleep in a variety of positions! At home I'm mostly a side sleeper. On the bank I start on my side but mostly end up on my back! So.. I don't know if a totally flat one would be good or not, and not exactly cheap to find out!
Well that's a tricky question to answer 🤣 I don't sleep well at home or on the bank and as such sleep in a variety of positions! At home I'm mostly a side sleeper. On the bank I start on my side but mostly end up on my back! So.. I don't know if a totally flat one would be good or not, and not exactly cheap to find out!
In reply to Post #12
The fortis bag has a hood at either end to hold it onto your bed
The fortis bag has a hood at either end to hold it onto your bed
In reply to Post #1
I used cable ties to replace the elastic rope on mine.
Works an absolute treat !
I used cable ties to replace the elastic rope on mine.
Works an absolute treat !
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AS posted below if your a side sleeper you dont want a firm bed it will be unconfutable !
but normally people with bad backs sleep on their back as flat as possible that helps stop the back ache so need a really firm bed
AS posted below if your a side sleeper you dont want a firm bed it will be unconfutable !
but normally people with bad backs sleep on their back as flat as possible that helps stop the back ache so need a really firm bed
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I used to have a prolapsed disc & bad sciatica and the best bed I found was the Fox Flatliter system nice and firm.
As the guys say sleep flat on your back is better for you.....unfortunately I had a Spinal Cord Injury (CES) 2yrs ago so now I am partially paralyzed waist down with only 15% feeling but can still walk with a stick so I now have a Nash SS4 Wideboy
I used to have a prolapsed disc & bad sciatica and the best bed I found was the Fox Flatliter system nice and firm.
As the guys say sleep flat on your back is better for you.....unfortunately I had a Spinal Cord Injury (CES) 2yrs ago so now I am partially paralyzed waist down with only 15% feeling but can still walk with a stick so I now have a Nash SS4 Wideboy
Due to a work accident and 3 back surgeries I have a very bad back but I am also a 100% side sleeper, the Solar Sp bed is top build quality but i could not lie on my side on the 3D matrass (solar ch08 felt abit better: 2D matrass ) the high density foam mattress of the Trakker oval levelite feels so good for me even when I lay on my back
In reply to Post #12
It does attach via the hoods on either end and a strap, but with the sleeve only at the head end
As the sleeves are rarer than hens teeth, you'd be lucky to get hold of one.
It does attach via the hoods on either end and a strap, but with the sleeve only at the head end
As the sleeves are rarer than hens teeth, you'd be lucky to get hold of one.
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I've said many times here, beds are very personal. What is comfy for one person will be awful for another. I have back probs and for me the Nash ss3 is perfect, but for some reason you've said that you don't want those. You really need to go and see some in the flesh for yourself to see what's right for you
I've said many times here, beds are very personal. What is comfy for one person will be awful for another. I have back probs and for me the Nash ss3 is perfect, but for some reason you've said that you don't want those. You really need to go and see some in the flesh for yourself to see what's right for you
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Lol let me get this right. You are cutting off the suspension cords and using cable tyes to make it firmer. Have I hit a time warp here. The elastic is there to make it comfortable why on earth would you remove it. If it's not firm enough retye it.
Lol let me get this right. You are cutting off the suspension cords and using cable tyes to make it firmer. Have I hit a time warp here. The elastic is there to make it comfortable why on earth would you remove it. If it's not firm enough retye it.
In reply to Post #21
I'm presuming the same reason people use paracord instead of elastic. To eliminate the stretch and therefore sag.
I'm presuming the same reason people use paracord instead of elastic. To eliminate the stretch and therefore sag.
In reply to Post #20
Thanks, unfortunately have no good tackle shops around here that sell any bedchairs let alone one that has a large selection to try out! ( near Brighton, Sussex) I'll maybe see if I can borrow my mates avid and see how that feels.
Thanks
Thanks, unfortunately have no good tackle shops around here that sell any bedchairs let alone one that has a large selection to try out! ( near Brighton, Sussex) I'll maybe see if I can borrow my mates avid and see how that feels.
Thanks
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Because most people with a bad back want the firmest bed possible thats why orthopedic beds are so firm
for years the Nash indulgence beds were to me the height of comfort until I started getting back ache after 2 or. 3 nights on them and realised I had a bad back eventually I bought a ELS flat bed and did 21 night session in France with zero problems
Because most people with a bad back want the firmest bed possible thats why orthopedic beds are so firm
for years the Nash indulgence beds were to me the height of comfort until I started getting back ache after 2 or. 3 nights on them and realised I had a bad back eventually I bought a ELS flat bed and did 21 night session in France with zero problems
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Swapping paracord for elastics on a bed isn't a great idea. It just makes the mattress work harder and stretch more and in turn causes it to sag. Which defeats the object of swapping the elastics out in the first place. Far better if you replace existing elastics with thicker ones
Swapping paracord for elastics on a bed isn't a great idea. It just makes the mattress work harder and stretch more and in turn causes it to sag. Which defeats the object of swapping the elastics out in the first place. Far better if you replace existing elastics with thicker ones
In reply to Post #25
I didn't, I swapped elastic for paracord. Something countless people have recommended.
I didn't, I swapped elastic for paracord. Something countless people have recommended.
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Sorry it's what I meant elastic for paracord . Reason I said it was I did the same with the original levelite bed and it totally ****ed up the mattress and the sag was worse than when it had elastic
Sorry it's what I meant elastic for paracord . Reason I said it was I did the same with the original levelite bed and it totally ****ed up the mattress and the sag was worse than when it had elastic
In reply to Post #25
I did it on my old Nash ss after a year or so, and that bed lasted me another 7or 8 years before I replaced it. It doesn't do any harm to them at all
I did it on my old Nash ss after a year or so, and that bed lasted me another 7or 8 years before I replaced it. It doesn't do any harm to them at all
The most comfortable bed that I have is my US army cot when I have a bad back with laying on my usual fishing bed and I have 3 of them as they are that good and I prefer them over these fishing tackle manufactures beds. The cover is perfectly flat and tight as the skin on a drum and I'm always guaranteed a good night sleep.
The only reason I do not use them often is the legs are not adjustable so I usually have to take a few pieces of sawn planking to level it off. In the long Winter months, I use the "cots" all the time as I'm guaranteed a good nights sleep with no aches or pains.
One of the big problems I find with the usual bed is, its in 3 sections, head, middle and leg end. Somehow you have to get them all in harmony, and its not just a case of getting the bed level, you can find the head end and leg end sags more than the middle and then that puts strain on your back or the middle could sag more or the leg end sag more. When things are not right, I can get back pains or knee pains or even pains in my shoulders.
One of my earlier beds, I was able to crisscross para cord across the frame underneath the mattress from one end to the other and I got a very firm mattress with barely any sag. Sadly my last two beds, the design stops me doing it for the middle section.
Last year, I did plan out, covering my bed with 3 sections of plywood cut to shape and held to the frame with 22mm pipe clips and then a self inflating mattress so I could easily remove the sections of ply for transporting if I ever needed to.
This is a similar setup to the bed I made for my car, 6' length of ply, rests on the internal wheel arch in the boot and a small wooden pedestal at the opposite side and at the head end, it rests on my car seat (with some padding to protect it) folded forward and covered with a SIM it is very comfortable for a nights sleep so it should be no different on the frame of a fishing bed.
The only reason I do not use them often is the legs are not adjustable so I usually have to take a few pieces of sawn planking to level it off. In the long Winter months, I use the "cots" all the time as I'm guaranteed a good nights sleep with no aches or pains.
One of the big problems I find with the usual bed is, its in 3 sections, head, middle and leg end. Somehow you have to get them all in harmony, and its not just a case of getting the bed level, you can find the head end and leg end sags more than the middle and then that puts strain on your back or the middle could sag more or the leg end sag more. When things are not right, I can get back pains or knee pains or even pains in my shoulders.
One of my earlier beds, I was able to crisscross para cord across the frame underneath the mattress from one end to the other and I got a very firm mattress with barely any sag. Sadly my last two beds, the design stops me doing it for the middle section.
Last year, I did plan out, covering my bed with 3 sections of plywood cut to shape and held to the frame with 22mm pipe clips and then a self inflating mattress so I could easily remove the sections of ply for transporting if I ever needed to.
This is a similar setup to the bed I made for my car, 6' length of ply, rests on the internal wheel arch in the boot and a small wooden pedestal at the opposite side and at the head end, it rests on my car seat (with some padding to protect it) folded forward and covered with a SIM it is very comfortable for a nights sleep so it should be no different on the frame of a fishing bed.
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My 2 pence worth, re bad backs I've had 3 lots of spinal surgery ending up with metal work and a fusion. I had an Avid Restbite X which i found comfortable but so heavy it hurt my back lugging it about.
I've ended up with the Wychwood tactical x, had the older version before, and a 10cm Exped Megamat self inflating mattress with a snugpak fortis bag, both will fold up in the bed. I'm a side sleeper and this combination is very comfortable as the mattress can be adjusted to get just the right firmness.
My 2 pence worth, re bad backs I've had 3 lots of spinal surgery ending up with metal work and a fusion. I had an Avid Restbite X which i found comfortable but so heavy it hurt my back lugging it about.
I've ended up with the Wychwood tactical x, had the older version before, and a 10cm Exped Megamat self inflating mattress with a snugpak fortis bag, both will fold up in the bed. I'm a side sleeper and this combination is very comfortable as the mattress can be adjusted to get just the right firmness.
In reply to Post #1
Avid benchmark lite is what ive got and its great, light and very comfy
Avid benchmark lite is what ive got and its great, light and very comfy
I have an avid benchmark and it's decent, really enjoyed it when I first purchased it 4 years on and I'm wanting to change.
I've seen the Solar SP and that is very nice id like to check it against the Fox Flat line, I would look at but doubt either the Nash or Tracker are up to it but might be surprised.
I've seen the Solar SP and that is very nice id like to check it against the Fox Flat line, I would look at but doubt either the Nash or Tracker are up to it but might be surprised.
In reply to Post #31
A friend changed his benchmark for one did a night on it and sold it and purchased a Solar.
A friend changed his benchmark for one did a night on it and sold it and purchased a Solar.
In reply to Post #31
I have the Avid benchmark lite ( around 14 months now ) and really pleased with it. I suffer from lower back pain daily but I have added a SIM to this to make it even better.
I have the Avid benchmark lite ( around 14 months now ) and really pleased with it. I suffer from lower back pain daily but I have added a SIM to this to make it even better.
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I am 6 foot and 16 stone, dont be rude...
I too had been trouble with sagging, until i found this:-
Until i found this which rejuvenated my old SS3 wide boy, the bed is really comfortable and will be with me a few years more.
https://www.ehmanns-fishing.de/shop/en/ehmanns-fishing/chairs-bedchairs/equipment-chairs-bedchairs/595/pro-zone-kingsize-mattress-assistance.
With shipping it cost £39.50
I have recently bought a Wychwood tactical compact and Gardner compact duvet to use on single nighters as they are light compared to the Nash wide boy, excellent choice me thinks.
I was getting pressure point deadness on shoulder and hip, when lying on my side, so bought the mans version of the Mountain equipment helium 3.8 sim, changed everything, sleep well now...
I am 6 foot and 16 stone, dont be rude...
I too had been trouble with sagging, until i found this:-
Until i found this which rejuvenated my old SS3 wide boy, the bed is really comfortable and will be with me a few years more.
https://www.ehmanns-fishing.de/shop/en/ehmanns-fishing/chairs-bedchairs/equipment-chairs-bedchairs/595/pro-zone-kingsize-mattress-assistance.
With shipping it cost £39.50
I have recently bought a Wychwood tactical compact and Gardner compact duvet to use on single nighters as they are light compared to the Nash wide boy, excellent choice me thinks.
I was getting pressure point deadness on shoulder and hip, when lying on my side, so bought the mans version of the Mountain equipment helium 3.8 sim, changed everything, sleep well now...
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