I was having a debate with a few fellow club members last weekend on safe amounts of tigers to use and it seems some of our ideas are miles apart.
I, myself only use them in very small quantities at a time, something like 1lb will do me for 3 rods over a session. However, one of the guys was saying he puts in a kilo or 2 at a time!
I, myself only use them in very small quantities at a time, something like 1lb will do me for 3 rods over a session. However, one of the guys was saying he puts in a kilo or 2 at a time!
In reply to Post #1
No idea mate, I've always used in small quantities
No idea mate, I've always used in small quantities
Less is more in my opinion. The thing with Tigers is due to the fact there quite hard I dont think carp can deal with them in large amounts. Peanuts on the other hand I would use in bigger quantities. Just my two penenth for what its worth. 
In reply to Post #3
Funny, I always thought you would use peanuts sparingly
Funny, I always thought you would use peanuts sparingly
In reply to Post #4
Years ago I watched a guy baiting up with peanuts by the kilo bag... he caught loads but can't imagine it did the fish any good.
Years ago I watched a guy baiting up with peanuts by the kilo bag... he caught loads but can't imagine it did the fish any good.
In reply to Post #4
I just think Carp can eat a lot more of them as there a lot softer.
I just think Carp can eat a lot more of them as there a lot softer.
In reply to Post #1
Don't need many, 3 average pouch loads around each hook bait is something that works for me, then top up if catching
Don't need many, 3 average pouch loads around each hook bait is something that works for me, then top up if catching
In reply to Post #3
Peanuts can cause preoccupation like most seeds and nuts and contain high levels of a vitamin that can cause severe problems with carp. Long time since this was brought up but I think it's a kind of muscular dysfunction in them.
Peanuts can cause preoccupation like most seeds and nuts and contain high levels of a vitamin that can cause severe problems with carp. Long time since this was brought up but I think it's a kind of muscular dysfunction in them.
In reply to Post #7
went to Pacific Peche this afternoon...a weekend pack of uncooked tigers consists of 5kg feed tigers and 1kg of hookbaits...so cooked up..around 7kg feed and 2kg of hookbaits......too much??
went to Pacific Peche this afternoon...a weekend pack of uncooked tigers consists of 5kg feed tigers and 1kg of hookbaits...so cooked up..around 7kg feed and 2kg of hookbaits......too much??
In reply to Post #3
I cook around 5 kilogram and split them into freezer bags around half a kilo. Then add them to few kilos of hemp and tin of corn.
I cook around 5 kilogram and split them into freezer bags around half a kilo. Then add them to few kilos of hemp and tin of corn.
In reply to Post #8
What vitamin is that then? Wouldn't have been circulated by a certain group of boilie makers would it?!
What vitamin is that then? Wouldn't have been circulated by a certain group of boilie makers would it?!
In reply to Post #11
Its vitamin E mate. Think Tim paisley wrote about it in one of his books. But when they got banned fish got bigger and in better condition. Also wasnt benson the big common killed by preoccupation on p nuts. Just try eating just one peanut from a packet.
Its vitamin E mate. Think Tim paisley wrote about it in one of his books. But when they got banned fish got bigger and in better condition. Also wasnt benson the big common killed by preoccupation on p nuts. Just try eating just one peanut from a packet.
In reply to Post #1
I usually only put a couple of pouches out around each rig........when fishing. if baiting up id use a bit more but look to spread around the lake......the carp will also do this by crunching up / pooping out etc
I usually only put a couple of pouches out around each rig........when fishing. if baiting up id use a bit more but look to spread around the lake......the carp will also do this by crunching up / pooping out etc
In reply to Post #9
In a small UK lake that would be too much yes.
From looking at where you said you fished it seems as though that is 1km long by .5km wide? In which case is Much larger than the average lake fished in the uk and I would assume has some lumps and plenty of nusience fish and shoals of small carp in which case that may well be fine for your lake.
On a regular basis though yes I think that is too much for your lake too.....
In a small UK lake that would be too much yes.
From looking at where you said you fished it seems as though that is 1km long by .5km wide? In which case is Much larger than the average lake fished in the uk and I would assume has some lumps and plenty of nusience fish and shoals of small carp in which case that may well be fine for your lake.
On a regular basis though yes I think that is too much for your lake too.....
In reply to Post #14
err, where did I say what lake I was fishing? Dont think I did, youre confusing me with someone else I think...or you think Pacific Peche is a lake.....its a French tackle shop......anyway I do think thats too many nuts whatever the lake
err, where did I say what lake I was fishing? Dont think I did, youre confusing me with someone else I think...or you think Pacific Peche is a lake.....its a French tackle shop......anyway I do think thats too many nuts whatever the lake
Hi Barry,
I think the tiger nut issue is tottaly dependant on the size of the lake and the frequency and volume of input.
There was deffinately an issue and effect on carp weights when people where pumping 3-20 kilos into 5 to 30 acre lakes per week, and that's where the bans came in.
On the continent guys regularly put in 75-100 kilos in on the inland seas per week with no detrement to the size of fish or their health.
Peanuts for me are much like lead core, I've never understood
or felt i knew how to safely use either so I've always stayed clear.
Best
Jon
I think the tiger nut issue is tottaly dependant on the size of the lake and the frequency and volume of input.
There was deffinately an issue and effect on carp weights when people where pumping 3-20 kilos into 5 to 30 acre lakes per week, and that's where the bans came in.
On the continent guys regularly put in 75-100 kilos in on the inland seas per week with no detrement to the size of fish or their health.
Peanuts for me are much like lead core, I've never understood
or felt i knew how to safely use either so I've always stayed clear.
Best
Jon
In reply to Post #3
D.P.
D.P.
In reply to Post #1
In my view, it depends how much other bait is going in with them...
A few kg of boilie, few bags of corn, few kg of pellet, some seeds, then a kg of tigers mixed in isn't going to cause an issue... A kg of tigers on it's own though? Play the percentages... Common sense seems to escape some folk...
In my view, it depends how much other bait is going in with them...
A few kg of boilie, few bags of corn, few kg of pellet, some seeds, then a kg of tigers mixed in isn't going to cause an issue... A kg of tigers on it's own though? Play the percentages... Common sense seems to escape some folk...
In reply to Post #19
Eh? A kg of Tigers is still a kg of Tigers. Nothing to do with percentages. A kg of Tigers is a lot of nuts
Eh? A kg of Tigers is still a kg of Tigers. Nothing to do with percentages. A kg of Tigers is a lot of nuts
In reply to Post #20
in our patr of the world 10s of kg of tigers go in the lakes per day (heavily stocked lakes) and cant say it is doing any harm to fish... it all depends on stock, carp and other fish... personally dont use much but have no problems going with more on lakes like that...
in our patr of the world 10s of kg of tigers go in the lakes per day (heavily stocked lakes) and cant say it is doing any harm to fish... it all depends on stock, carp and other fish... personally dont use much but have no problems going with more on lakes like that...
In reply to Post #21
Heavily stocked lakes means that they are most likely spread over more fish, which inturn also eat plenty of other bits to supplement their diet. With a lower stock, or less other food, the health effects can be quite obvious. You really don't need all those anyway, less is more with Tigers. Love using them, but only in moderation
Heavily stocked lakes means that they are most likely spread over more fish, which inturn also eat plenty of other bits to supplement their diet. With a lower stock, or less other food, the health effects can be quite obvious. You really don't need all those anyway, less is more with Tigers. Love using them, but only in moderation
In reply to Post #20
It is. But think about it.
20 anglers on a lake, three rods each, that's 60 rods... Ten of those rods are fishing tigers, sensibly, there's the kilo. The other 50 rods are using a mixture of everything else, from single boilies, right up to a bucket of munga.
Stick 25kg of “other” in along with a kg of nuts, it is the exact same scenario, just done in one spot.
The problems come with volume and exclusivity.
Eating Maccies every day won't do us much good, but once a fortnight/month amongst a balanced diet won't do much harm.
Percentages, and common sense, like I say...
It is. But think about it.
20 anglers on a lake, three rods each, that's 60 rods... Ten of those rods are fishing tigers, sensibly, there's the kilo. The other 50 rods are using a mixture of everything else, from single boilies, right up to a bucket of munga.
Stick 25kg of “other” in along with a kg of nuts, it is the exact same scenario, just done in one spot.
The problems come with volume and exclusivity.
Eating Maccies every day won't do us much good, but once a fortnight/month amongst a balanced diet won't do much harm.
Percentages, and common sense, like I say...
In reply to Post #17
tim paisely's comments on peanuts were based on assumptions that were specific to birch grove ...
Sorry, but that is incorrect. Tim's (and others') findings were based on an increase in fish deaths in England from Cheshire to Kent. In particular, some home counties lakes suffered higher than normal deaths (Darenth a case in point) and on autopsy the fish were found to have oil-saturated livers. Not surprising when it was common to see recommendations of 5-10ml per egg in print.
tim paisely's comments on peanuts were based on assumptions that were specific to birch grove ...
Sorry, but that is incorrect. Tim's (and others') findings were based on an increase in fish deaths in England from Cheshire to Kent. In particular, some home counties lakes suffered higher than normal deaths (Darenth a case in point) and on autopsy the fish were found to have oil-saturated livers. Not surprising when it was common to see recommendations of 5-10ml per egg in print.
In reply to Post #24
You talking fish oils. Not peanuts Ken?
You talking fish oils. Not peanuts Ken?
In reply to Post #23
But when you think about the fact they don't get digested anywhere near fully so every kg that gets eaten most of it ends up back out being eaten again and again then it all adds up. Large quantities of Tigers are a no no , regardless of what other bait is with them
But when you think about the fact they don't get digested anywhere near fully so every kg that gets eaten most of it ends up back out being eaten again and again then it all adds up. Large quantities of Tigers are a no no , regardless of what other bait is with them
In reply to Post #25
Yes, my bad. Ignore me, I'm getting old!
Yes, my bad. Ignore me, I'm getting old!
In reply to Post #25
DP...See what I mean? I'm getting old!
On the other hand (if Karl will allow), there is THIS LINK.
DP...See what I mean? I'm getting old!
On the other hand (if Karl will allow), there is THIS LINK.
In reply to Post #1
How long is a piece of string? It depends on so many things - in summer, lots of fish on your bait, I'd easily do 5kg per rod, per day and I'll often add 2 to 3kg of peanuts to that (if permitted). They will eat the lot and what you're doing is creating competitive feeding, which in my experience draws in the bigger fish. Conversely, if you're fishing for bites, you'd drop levels right down to maybe a handful per rod. Middle of winter, I'd again tend to use small quantities. Horses for courses really. One water I'm on, which I only day fish, I'll take 10kg for the two rods and leave another 5kg in the car in case it's a Red Letter Day. Tigers are my favourite bait, nearly always out-fish people on boilies, winter accepted.
How long is a piece of string? It depends on so many things - in summer, lots of fish on your bait, I'd easily do 5kg per rod, per day and I'll often add 2 to 3kg of peanuts to that (if permitted). They will eat the lot and what you're doing is creating competitive feeding, which in my experience draws in the bigger fish. Conversely, if you're fishing for bites, you'd drop levels right down to maybe a handful per rod. Middle of winter, I'd again tend to use small quantities. Horses for courses really. One water I'm on, which I only day fish, I'll take 10kg for the two rods and leave another 5kg in the car in case it's a Red Letter Day. Tigers are my favourite bait, nearly always out-fish people on boilies, winter accepted.
In reply to Post #30
That's fine on an overstocked runs water with big numbers of fish
That's fine on an overstocked runs water with big numbers of fish
In reply to Post #26
Yes
Yes
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