Booked to fish France with two others last week April 2021 but because of travel restrictions
From the UK nobody is going anywhere from atleast the 7TH May we all paid a substantial
Deposit early last year we cannot go and have asked to re-book around the same time next
Prob May-June but now the fishery has asked us to pay the full amount about £1500
And we have not been given any dates for 2022 what should we do?
From the UK nobody is going anywhere from atleast the 7TH May we all paid a substantial
Deposit early last year we cannot go and have asked to re-book around the same time next
Prob May-June but now the fishery has asked us to pay the full amount about £1500
And we have not been given any dates for 2022 what should we do?
In reply to Post #1
have you taken out insurance?
have you taken out insurance?
In reply to Post #2
Why is that on the fisheries terms and conditions you pay in full 8 weeks befire you
Travel, but nobody was going nowhere because of covid and there is no mention
Anywhee on their website for such events
Why is that on the fisheries terms and conditions you pay in full 8 weeks befire you
Travel, but nobody was going nowhere because of covid and there is no mention
Anywhee on their website for such events
In reply to Post #3
if youd have taken out insurance, you stand to get your deposit back cause no one is going anywhere until May at the earliest.
if youd have taken out insurance, you stand to get your deposit back cause no one is going anywhere until May at the earliest.
In reply to Post #4
But why would they ask for payment in full when we do not have
A date to go 2022, would you pay up
But why would they ask for payment in full when we do not have
A date to go 2022, would you pay up
In reply to Post #5
cause they are probably skint and trying it on.
Nope, i wouldnt pay a penny
I also wouldnt book anything anywhere without insurance if holiday etc has been cancelled
cause they are probably skint and trying it on.
Nope, i wouldnt pay a penny
I also wouldnt book anything anywhere without insurance if holiday etc has been cancelled
In reply to Post #6
I have travel insurance but only for myself as i am not the lead party
I have travel insurance but only for myself as i am not the lead party
In reply to Post #5
Have you asked them why?
Have you asked them why?
In reply to Post #7
How did you pay the deposit,if by card could you not ask them to get involved.I got money back from a purchase that did not go as planned with something called chargeback on my bank card
How did you pay the deposit,if by card could you not ask them to get involved.I got money back from a purchase that did not go as planned with something called chargeback on my bank card
In reply to Post #8
They just cited their own terms and conditions - we have asked to re-book next year but have heard nothing it has been nearly a week. do you know anybody else having
The same problem
They just cited their own terms and conditions - we have asked to re-book next year but have heard nothing it has been nearly a week. do you know anybody else having
The same problem
In reply to Post #9
Paid by bank transfer in pounds in the UK Barclays
Paid by bank transfer in pounds in the UK Barclays
In reply to Post #11
I take it Paying in full with no date on the horizon is no
I take it Paying in full with no date on the horizon is no
In reply to Post #11
Barclays are normally very good,I would ask them for some advice
Barclays are normally very good,I would ask them for some advice
In reply to Post #13
Sounds sensible - but for such a know fishery they are gonna lose half their season anyway
And we still all want to go
Sounds sensible - but for such a know fishery they are gonna lose half their season anyway
And we still all want to go
In reply to Post #1
Just a little bit of devils advocate here, are they actually open for business? If so is it their fault you can't go? I wouldn't be paying another penny, and it's probably a case of claiming back the deposit on insurance, a mate of mine owns a lake in France and the problem he has at the moment is being booked solid until the 2023 season he can't move any weeks until next year, it's a tricky one bud.
Just a little bit of devils advocate here, are they actually open for business? If so is it their fault you can't go? I wouldn't be paying another penny, and it's probably a case of claiming back the deposit on insurance, a mate of mine owns a lake in France and the problem he has at the moment is being booked solid until the 2023 season he can't move any weeks until next year, it's a tricky one bud.
In reply to Post #1
Trying to get some money in before they go under probably..
Trying to get some money in before they go under probably..
In reply to Post #1
Why book when the travel restrictions were in place and at the time of booking it was obvious you couldn't go, if the venue is open and its the travel restrictions stopping the trip its unlikely you will get refunded.
Why book when the travel restrictions were in place and at the time of booking it was obvious you couldn't go, if the venue is open and its the travel restrictions stopping the trip its unlikely you will get refunded.
In reply to Post #18
We all know these situations are complicated and everyone needs to be sensible but think you're being a bit harsh. We don't know when he booked, might have been when travel was allowed, might not.
Why are lakes taking bookings, given the present situation? Not sure it's entirely fair to be taking bookings while restrictions are in place.
I'm booking nothing until there is some clarity around vaccination passports.
We all know these situations are complicated and everyone needs to be sensible but think you're being a bit harsh. We don't know when he booked, might have been when travel was allowed, might not.
Why are lakes taking bookings, given the present situation? Not sure it's entirely fair to be taking bookings while restrictions are in place.
I'm booking nothing until there is some clarity around vaccination passports.
In reply to Post #19
Read the post, he says they booked last week but I do agree fisheries should be advising on the travel guidelines especially the overseas ones as they know full well the situation. OP's hope the venue does the right thing and refunds but doing the right thing seems to be a thing of the past.
Read the post, he says they booked last week but I do agree fisheries should be advising on the travel guidelines especially the overseas ones as they know full well the situation. OP's hope the venue does the right thing and refunds but doing the right thing seems to be a thing of the past.
In reply to Post #20
To be honest unless you have been living under a rock you should know travel guidelines too and I dont think that is down to the fishery to tell you.
To be honest unless you have been living under a rock you should know travel guidelines too and I dont think that is down to the fishery to tell you.
In reply to Post #20
No. They booked early last year for the last week in April this year. Having paid what is described as a substantial deposit I would require a confirmed rearranged date sometime later this year before I paid another penny.
No. They booked early last year for the last week in April this year. Having paid what is described as a substantial deposit I would require a confirmed rearranged date sometime later this year before I paid another penny.
In reply to Post #21
Come MAY, Travel restrictions will be lifted by the UK government. Now, that begs a question as to whether the EU countries will.
im due out in September, so i guess im slightly more lucky in terms of time frame for things to settle down
Come MAY, Travel restrictions will be lifted by the UK government. Now, that begs a question as to whether the EU countries will.
im due out in September, so i guess im slightly more lucky in terms of time frame for things to settle down
In reply to Post #20
Could be booked, last week of April (the week they are due)
My booking for July this year was made 3 years ago
Could be booked, last week of April (the week they are due)
My booking for July this year was made 3 years ago
In reply to Post #20
Ah... I read it as he's booked to fish last week of April this year, not he booked last week. Maybe a comma or 2 needed?!
Ah... I read it as he's booked to fish last week of April this year, not he booked last week. Maybe a comma or 2 needed?!
In reply to Post #1
Our group had a similar situation. Booked last year and paid deposit for last week of April this year. Balance was due 10 weeks before travel. Lake proprietors contacted us early Feb and advised they would not be requesting balance until travel guidance was confirmed. They contacted us again this week after confirming original week had been cancelled due to restrictions and offered several new dates. We chose same date next year and balance is due 10 weeks before that date. Cannot ask for better service. I certainly would not pay any balance without a confirmed new date.
Our group had a similar situation. Booked last year and paid deposit for last week of April this year. Balance was due 10 weeks before travel. Lake proprietors contacted us early Feb and advised they would not be requesting balance until travel guidance was confirmed. They contacted us again this week after confirming original week had been cancelled due to restrictions and offered several new dates. We chose same date next year and balance is due 10 weeks before that date. Cannot ask for better service. I certainly would not pay any balance without a confirmed new date.
In reply to Post #20
Goose, whilst I might be wrong I think his trip is the last week April 2021 not that he booked it last week. He does say he paid the deposit early 2020 so may have been before the first lockdown.
Goose, whilst I might be wrong I think his trip is the last week April 2021 not that he booked it last week. He does say he paid the deposit early 2020 so may have been before the first lockdown.
In reply to Post #27
Agreed, the OP hasn't made it to clear but he's definitely saying he's booked on to fish the last week in April and paid the deposit early last year
You'd like to think they would move the dates seeing as there are enforced travel restrictions at the moment. Like the first lockdown a lot of venues refunded/moved bookings as travel wasn't allowed. When the 2 week quarantine was brought in a couple of mates asked if they could move their bookings for Cretelakes as they couldn't do the quarantine on return. Cretelakes basically said tough, either pay the remainder of the balance and go or lose their deposit. Their argument was there are no travel restrictions and the lakes are open
I definitely wouldn't be handing over another penny until a new date had been agreed. If they won't move dates or refund you then I'd be claiming on your travel insurance. I don't think you would have to much trouble with your insurance claim as the trip was paid for before the pandemic started?
Agreed, the OP hasn't made it to clear but he's definitely saying he's booked on to fish the last week in April and paid the deposit early last year
You'd like to think they would move the dates seeing as there are enforced travel restrictions at the moment. Like the first lockdown a lot of venues refunded/moved bookings as travel wasn't allowed. When the 2 week quarantine was brought in a couple of mates asked if they could move their bookings for Cretelakes as they couldn't do the quarantine on return. Cretelakes basically said tough, either pay the remainder of the balance and go or lose their deposit. Their argument was there are no travel restrictions and the lakes are open
I definitely wouldn't be handing over another penny until a new date had been agreed. If they won't move dates or refund you then I'd be claiming on your travel insurance. I don't think you would have to much trouble with your insurance claim as the trip was paid for before the pandemic started?
In reply to Post #27
Reread, in which case I would expect a full refund.
Reread, in which case I would expect a full refund.
Insurers would be unlikely to pay out in these circumstances, a) the holiday provider has a duty to offer a refund or replacement, (which he is) and b) cancellation due to Covid arising out of international travel bans is now excluded on most policies.
Personally I wouldn't be paying the balance now, bang out of order asking for it!
Personally I wouldn't be paying the balance now, bang out of order asking for it!
In reply to Post #30
Wouldn't that only be excluded on new/post Covid policies Matt? A lot of upcoming trips would of been booked before Covid was even a thing so seems a bit harsh to exclude any claims for any lost monies for trips booked pre Covid?
Could understand if you'd booked, from say, March 2020 up til now that any Covid related claims wouldn't be looked at
Wouldn't that only be excluded on new/post Covid policies Matt? A lot of upcoming trips would of been booked before Covid was even a thing so seems a bit harsh to exclude any claims for any lost monies for trips booked pre Covid?
Could understand if you'd booked, from say, March 2020 up til now that any Covid related claims wouldn't be looked at
In reply to Post #31
That's why I said "most" Greg......any new policies will definitely have the exclusion. If you took out a specific policy to cover your trip before March last year these will be few and far between now....even so, they would still expect the holiday provider to give a solution, if he chooses not to it doesn't mean insurers would automatically pay!
That's why I said "most" Greg......any new policies will definitely have the exclusion. If you took out a specific policy to cover your trip before March last year these will be few and far between now....even so, they would still expect the holiday provider to give a solution, if he chooses not to it doesn't mean insurers would automatically pay!
In reply to Post #32
So, insurance becomes redundant, then? I get it, but it's heads everyone else gets something except the angler.
So, insurance becomes redundant, then? I get it, but it's heads everyone else gets something except the angler.
In reply to Post #33
Not redundant no as it will still cover non covid related issues, like medical cover not related to covid, but not cancellation due to covid.
I booked this year's trip 3 years ago, have an annual insurance policy in place that has confirmed cancellation cover for me as long as I continue cover with them. Last year's renewal more than doubled in cost (was just after March lockdown) and waiting to see what this renewal brings but have zero choice and they know it.
Not redundant no as it will still cover non covid related issues, like medical cover not related to covid, but not cancellation due to covid.
I booked this year's trip 3 years ago, have an annual insurance policy in place that has confirmed cancellation cover for me as long as I continue cover with them. Last year's renewal more than doubled in cost (was just after March lockdown) and waiting to see what this renewal brings but have zero choice and they know it.
In reply to Post #23
This is a really good point.
Whilst UK restrictions might be lifted that's no guarantee that different countries will be allowing UK travellers in...
This is a really good point.
Whilst UK restrictions might be lifted that's no guarantee that different countries will be allowing UK travellers in...
In reply to Post #35
I hope we don't allow other countries in too soon either
I hope we don't allow other countries in too soon either
In reply to Post #35
You may still have to self isolate when you come back in as well if there's different strains around. Being vaccinated doesn't stoop you carrying/transmitting diseases, just dying from it lol
You may still have to self isolate when you come back in as well if there's different strains around. Being vaccinated doesn't stoop you carrying/transmitting diseases, just dying from it lol
In reply to Post #37
There are more and more cases of vaccinated people getting infected and spreading it especially with southafrican strain, so I really wouldnt count on any sort of vaccination passport or anything like that, at least not for a very long time yet...
There are more and more cases of vaccinated people getting infected and spreading it especially with southafrican strain, so I really wouldnt count on any sort of vaccination passport or anything like that, at least not for a very long time yet...
In reply to Post #33
I meant for the purposes of covid related cancellations, not those things.
I meant for the purposes of covid related cancellations, not those things.
In reply to Post #38
If and when French trips are allowed this year, just remember that under current travel rules you will need a negative covid test to enter the UK.....this means that on the Thursday of your trip you will have to all go to a testing centre and get the dreaded test at a cost of 60 euros.....obviously this will need to be booked in advance....as to what happens if one or more of your group test positive, well who knows....I imagine you will need to leave the lake and find somewhere to stay til you are clear, you will certainly be unable to stay at the lake....good luck with that!!
If and when French trips are allowed this year, just remember that under current travel rules you will need a negative covid test to enter the UK.....this means that on the Thursday of your trip you will have to all go to a testing centre and get the dreaded test at a cost of 60 euros.....obviously this will need to be booked in advance....as to what happens if one or more of your group test positive, well who knows....I imagine you will need to leave the lake and find somewhere to stay til you are clear, you will certainly be unable to stay at the lake....good luck with that!!
In reply to Post #40
Under the rules in place at the moment we are not going so picking bits out of the current guidelines is largely irrelevant.
We will have to wait and see what the requirements are as and when the travel restrictions change.
Under the rules in place at the moment we are not going so picking bits out of the current guidelines is largely irrelevant.
We will have to wait and see what the requirements are as and when the travel restrictions change.
In reply to Post #41
As lake owner I know that BUT you will be allowed to travel here later this year just reminding people that the almost certainly WILL need a negative test to get back to UK and it will cost them.....just saying be prepared for it......hopefully we can open soon and welcome our anglers back......if anyone tests positive they will need contingency plans
As lake owner I know that BUT you will be allowed to travel here later this year just reminding people that the almost certainly WILL need a negative test to get back to UK and it will cost them.....just saying be prepared for it......hopefully we can open soon and welcome our anglers back......if anyone tests positive they will need contingency plans
In reply to Post #18
I booked Jan 2020
I booked Jan 2020
In reply to Post #19
I booked Jan 2020 before everything happened
I booked Jan 2020 before everything happened
In reply to Post #27
Well before
Well before
In reply to Post #35
That's true England might let you out but will they be so easy as to let you back in?
That's true England might let you out but will they be so easy as to let you back in?
In reply to Post #46
What lake are you referring to Rob?
What lake are you referring to Rob?
In reply to Post #42
A heads up about booking guys. I believe your travel insurance will not pay out unless you have booked individually. If, like lots of us, one member of the group take it on his (or her) self to make the booking on behalf of the group and collects the money etc. and sends it to the lake in their name, only they will be covered if the lake cancel or travel is not allowed. Best to make absolutely sure before booking the lake in this way.
A heads up about booking guys. I believe your travel insurance will not pay out unless you have booked individually. If, like lots of us, one member of the group take it on his (or her) self to make the booking on behalf of the group and collects the money etc. and sends it to the lake in their name, only they will be covered if the lake cancel or travel is not allowed. Best to make absolutely sure before booking the lake in this way.
In reply to Post #48
We did book it as a group but we had drop outs so to make things simple we had a designated lead party, we had the full package but ended with drive and survive only
We did book it as a group but we had drop outs so to make things simple we had a designated lead party, we had the full package but ended with drive and survive only
In reply to Post #39
The EU have indicated today that they will have a vaccine passport to enable movement within and abroad.
The EU have indicated today that they will have a vaccine passport to enable movement within and abroad.
In reply to Post #50
post May apparently
post May apparently
In reply to Post #52
I certainly must be an option. I see on the news travel agents have seen a massive surge in bookings for this summer, if you believe what you hear
I certainly must be an option. I see on the news travel agents have seen a massive surge in bookings for this summer, if you believe what you hear
In reply to Post #53
make no odds if the french wont let us travel or they remain under curfew anyway
make no odds if the french wont let us travel or they remain under curfew anyway
In reply to Post #54
Sorry. Was talking more about countries in general
Sorry. Was talking more about countries in general
In reply to Post #55
no need for apologises on my behalf mate
no need for apologises on my behalf mate
In reply to Post #56
Well guys great info on the group and feedback well appriciated - i think we have got good news, got new date for next year, same time end april. They wanted full payment to secure booking on top of the deposit we already paid.we offered a further part payment to the full cost (knowing that they might be struggling with finances to get through the year) with the rest to be paid 8 weeks before we travel. I think that is the best we could have hoped for
We have all agreed with this roll on next year
Thanks for all your input guys
Regards
Robbie
Well guys great info on the group and feedback well appriciated - i think we have got good news, got new date for next year, same time end april. They wanted full payment to secure booking on top of the deposit we already paid.we offered a further part payment to the full cost (knowing that they might be struggling with finances to get through the year) with the rest to be paid 8 weeks before we travel. I think that is the best we could have hoped for
We have all agreed with this roll on next year
Thanks for all your input guys
Regards
Robbie
That's a good outcome
In reply to Post #58
I think so - roll on next year good luck for everyone
I think so - roll on next year good luck for everyone
In reply to Post #50
Not gonna happen...
Not gonna happen...
In reply to Post #60
You seem very sure of that. Can you share why you're so confident? Not looking for a disagreement- genuinely want to know. All the evidence I'm reading says otherwise.
You seem very sure of that. Can you share why you're so confident? Not looking for a disagreement- genuinely want to know. All the evidence I'm reading says otherwise.
In reply to Post #61
Because we can see every day that vaccines dont protect you from getting infected and spreading the virus, especially new strains, they only give false sense of security... We now have homes for elderly people where 95% of people are vaccinated and are now again all getting infected with south african strain. Yes vaccine protects them to a point they dont develop strong symptoms and many more live but they are still infected and can spread the virus. Second there will not be enough vaccine for everybody for next year or two at least as after cca 8 month people have to get vaccinated again and there are new stronger strains coming out almost "every day" (vaccines dont follow that at all at the moment). Most important it goes against so many human rights, it is discriminating on so many levels etc etc... One thing this corona passports are good for is calming people down and buying governments time... people seek hope at the moment and things like this are perfect psychological tools to achieve that... it is like boris saying you will maybe be allowed to travel after may 17t or that famous we only have to hold on for another 14 days, maybe 1 month... and now we are 1 year+ in those 14 days... and also some countries already declared that they dont support the idea. Of course that is only my opinion, maybe I should make that more clear in my previous statement. What we really need is better, faster and more efficient testing If you ask me. 1 year+ in governments still dont have any good future plans, they are just killing small fires and work on lockdowns... we all see how that works... as soon as we let it go it comes back... Again just my opinion and speaking general on virus not for specific country/nation.
Because we can see every day that vaccines dont protect you from getting infected and spreading the virus, especially new strains, they only give false sense of security... We now have homes for elderly people where 95% of people are vaccinated and are now again all getting infected with south african strain. Yes vaccine protects them to a point they dont develop strong symptoms and many more live but they are still infected and can spread the virus. Second there will not be enough vaccine for everybody for next year or two at least as after cca 8 month people have to get vaccinated again and there are new stronger strains coming out almost "every day" (vaccines dont follow that at all at the moment). Most important it goes against so many human rights, it is discriminating on so many levels etc etc... One thing this corona passports are good for is calming people down and buying governments time... people seek hope at the moment and things like this are perfect psychological tools to achieve that... it is like boris saying you will maybe be allowed to travel after may 17t or that famous we only have to hold on for another 14 days, maybe 1 month... and now we are 1 year+ in those 14 days... and also some countries already declared that they dont support the idea. Of course that is only my opinion, maybe I should make that more clear in my previous statement. What we really need is better, faster and more efficient testing If you ask me. 1 year+ in governments still dont have any good future plans, they are just killing small fires and work on lockdowns... we all see how that works... as soon as we let it go it comes back... Again just my opinion and speaking general on virus not for specific country/nation.
In reply to Post #61
And one more case how dangerous this can be... after Eu started talks about this our government in Slovenia where I come from originally put out that vaccinated people dont have to do test and quarantine after coming in from abroad... basically in first 3 days we had a doctor coming in from africa going to work in hospital (he did test on his own for just in case and yet it still happened) without quarantine and he he got symptoms and became sick... how many stuff and patients he infected we will see in the future... it was confirmed it is sa strain. so even now that only very very small amount of people are travelling we got first hand proof that vaccination is not something that can be relied on for free travelling... and dont get me wrong I dont agree with all lock downs, restrictions etc, this just me trying to work out home politicians will proceed with their actions based on what they normally do...
And one more case how dangerous this can be... after Eu started talks about this our government in Slovenia where I come from originally put out that vaccinated people dont have to do test and quarantine after coming in from abroad... basically in first 3 days we had a doctor coming in from africa going to work in hospital (he did test on his own for just in case and yet it still happened) without quarantine and he he got symptoms and became sick... how many stuff and patients he infected we will see in the future... it was confirmed it is sa strain. so even now that only very very small amount of people are travelling we got first hand proof that vaccination is not something that can be relied on for free travelling... and dont get me wrong I dont agree with all lock downs, restrictions etc, this just me trying to work out home politicians will proceed with their actions based on what they normally do...
In reply to Post #63
i guess this covid debate will be rattling on for a very long time yet. Little point in guessing what may happen, lets just wait and see hey
i guess this covid debate will be rattling on for a very long time yet. Little point in guessing what may happen, lets just wait and see hey
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