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belachan alternatives? (22 posts / 3,351 views)
gazzua gazzua
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Post #1 8 Feb 2021 23:28
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I made Pete B's mix last year and had great results this time I'm looking to roll a larger quantity of Pete's mix but I'm stuck with the high cost of belachan for a 100kg approx. of Pete's mix the cost of the 10kg of belachan required at the best price I can find is £90 I cant help thinking I could use a better ingredient in its place that you can get bulk discounts on? or does anyone know a wholesaler of belachan? (best price I've found is £2.25/250g)

many thanks.

MARKerz
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Post #2 9 Feb 2021 06:29
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In reply to Post #1
Might be worth contacting Wing Yip or similar and ask about buying by the case and see if they can discount for bulk?
You could also reduce the amount in the bait if your feeding a lot of bait?
carpstar40 carpstar40
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Post #3 9 Feb 2021 08:52
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Shrimp meal/Liquid belachan mix
NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
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Post #4 9 Feb 2021 09:17
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In reply to Post #1
Bacarel Shrimp Extract
Cambscarper1974 Cambscarper1974
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Post #5 10 Feb 2021 16:54
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At 100mil per kilo the bacarel shrimp is £12 cheaper than the equivalent amount of belachan. A worthwhile saving and it's much easier to use. 5l will do you 50kg of basemix.
midlandman midlandman
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Post #6 10 Feb 2021 18:02
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In reply to Post #5
What is it though, is this a liquid in which case the belachan has been thinned down?
NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
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Post #7 10 Feb 2021 18:06
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In reply to Post #6
It's a pure hydrolysate.
gazzua gazzua
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Post #8 10 Feb 2021 18:24
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In reply to Post #7
thanks for the reply's I'm going with BE shrimp extract
midlandman midlandman
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Post #9 10 Feb 2021 21:16
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In reply to Post #7
Forgive me mate, but what does that actually mean.
NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
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Post #10 10 Feb 2021 23:01
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In reply to Post #9
That the shrimp has been treated with enzymes. The protein has been partially broken down into its core components, ie dipeptides and amino acids.
The process requires water, hence the term 'hydro'.
scozza
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Post #12 11 Feb 2021 06:01
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Any of you guys used their shrimp liquid yet, out of interest, how are you getting on with it?

I started on it last year, along with their shrimp powder. Can't say it's a stinker anything like Belchan so the OP might be disappointed? So far I have come to the conclusion the bream in one of my waters love it, 100%

NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
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Post #13 11 Feb 2021 07:52
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In reply to Post #12
Yes, used it last autumn. Impressed with it, 7 thirties in the space of 6 weeks. I think it brings a fair bit to the table overall.
Cambscarper1974 Cambscarper1974
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Post #14 11 Feb 2021 08:58
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In reply to Post #6
The tech info is all on their site. PH reduced to kill and harmful pathogens and then hydrolysed so thst 90%+ of the proteins are hydrolyzed.
carpstar40 carpstar40
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Post #15 11 Feb 2021 09:00
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JB does a Hydro Shrimp it's a bit dearer than Barcarel they sell 600gms JB sells it at 500gms, quality and freshness should be good given his reputation for both.

JB SHRIMP LIQUID
Cambscarper1974 Cambscarper1974
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Post #16 11 Feb 2021 09:01
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In reply to Post #15
It's the same stuff!
carpstar40 carpstar40
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Post #17 11 Feb 2021 09:05
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In reply to Post #16
I'll take your word for it I wouldn't know, Barcarel state heads and shells JB states the whole shrimp but I guess that's one in the same.
scozza
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Post #18 11 Feb 2021 09:30
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In reply to Post #13
I suppose you cant put that down to the shrimp alone unless its your regular bait and you know its a definite stepped change?

I plan to carryon this year on a few different waters
NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
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Post #19 11 Feb 2021 09:41
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In reply to Post #17
It is the same stuff as John's... Check the spec!
Don't be fooled by a label with a carp on to justify the cost. Others are selling it now too. All from the same place. Like the Calanus... Just being rebranded.
NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
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Post #20 11 Feb 2021 09:44
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In reply to Post #18
Yes Scozza, absolutely right. I've no idea purely if it's down to the shrimp. I changed to it due to the Krill hydro not being available.
Like with all things, unless you are doing thousands of hours field testing and tweaking, you'll never know for sure, but I'm happy with it as a replacement. Good on paper, and seems to be a worthy addition.
scozza
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Post #21 11 Feb 2021 10:02
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In reply to Post #20
Thought the same myself mate, and similar to me, fish seem to respond well to it, not the not the ones i want though

Sounds like you had a good result
carpstar40 carpstar40
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Post #22 11 Feb 2021 10:23
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In reply to Post #19
That's fine like I say I wouldn't know as I don't work for either company or know from whom they order their products.
midlandman midlandman
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Post #23 12 Feb 2021 23:08
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In reply to Post #10
Cheers
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