Hi all im having problems with my shockleader knot slipping on my spod rod, im using a back to back grinner knot with braided mainline to my braided shockleader, in my hands the knot looks and feels perfect no matter how much force I tug on it, but slips after a few casts of the spod I think this is down to friction when going through the rings any ideas how to stop this from happening??
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Use a mahin knot, leave both tag ends long and give it a few casts, slowly building up the weight and distance. Then trim after.
Use a mahin knot, leave both tag ends long and give it a few casts, slowly building up the weight and distance. Then trim after.
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Oops
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How many turns on the spool of shockleader?
How many turns on the spool of shockleader?
In reply to Post #1
ive used that knot for years with no slip ever
very strange
what braid
how many turns ?
ive used that knot for years with no slip ever
very strange
what braid
how many turns ?
Never had an issue with back to back grinner either, 5 turns each as similar thickness lines to be joined. Just looked up the Mahin knot, will have a practise to have another option just in case 👍
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Agreed, the mahin knot is the best for joining 2 braids. Also nicknamed the carrot knot as it tapers well creating less friction as it goes through the eyes. Also you don't get that horrible rattle that the more bulbous back to back grinner produces so it is better all round.
Agreed, the mahin knot is the best for joining 2 braids. Also nicknamed the carrot knot as it tapers well creating less friction as it goes through the eyes. Also you don't get that horrible rattle that the more bulbous back to back grinner produces so it is better all round.
Mahin knot is 100%
If going braid to braid with a 'slippy' braid, something like whiplash, i add a single overhand knot in the tag end of the mainline end close to the finished knot after it has been pulled tight.
Wrap both braids around something to use as a puller to save the fingers and steady hard pulling will cause the mainline to slip slowly through the knot and as the overhand knot pulls up against the knot it becomes solid and will then never slip.
If going braid to braid with a 'slippy' braid, something like whiplash, i add a single overhand knot in the tag end of the mainline end close to the finished knot after it has been pulled tight.
Wrap both braids around something to use as a puller to save the fingers and steady hard pulling will cause the mainline to slip slowly through the knot and as the overhand knot pulls up against the knot it becomes solid and will then never slip.
In reply to Post #8
I'm also a big fan of the Mahin knot for braid-braid shocky. Easy to tie too.
I'm also a big fan of the Mahin knot for braid-braid shocky. Easy to tie too.
In reply to Post #1
I've only ever used the double grinner, never had one slip on me.
Daz
I've only ever used the double grinner, never had one slip on me.
Daz
In reply to Post #10
Same here. 30lb power pro to 50lb armakord never missed a beat as of yet
Same here. 30lb power pro to 50lb armakord never missed a beat as of yet
In reply to Post #8
If it needs another knot to stop it slipping it's not 100%
Ive no confidence in that knot, double grinner for me
If it needs another knot to stop it slipping it's not 100%
Ive no confidence in that knot, double grinner for me
In reply to Post #12
If you have no confidence in a Mahin then you haven't tied it correctly
If you have no confidence in a Mahin then you haven't tied it correctly
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With a braid shockie and mono main line it is perfect, and with most braids as a mainline it is also fine.
I tied the mahin with some smooth (slippy) braid mainline and it repeatedly slipped as i gave it a serious strength test, and the extra overhand knot cured the issue and makes it 100% reliable.
It really isnt me not tying it correctly.
With a braid shockie and mono main line it is perfect, and with most braids as a mainline it is also fine.
I tied the mahin with some smooth (slippy) braid mainline and it repeatedly slipped as i gave it a serious strength test, and the extra overhand knot cured the issue and makes it 100% reliable.
It really isnt me not tying it correctly.
In reply to Post #14
I didn't say you hadn't
For braids with a slight coating I run the part going to be knotted through my nails removing that coating. Never had 1 slip on me yet, when tied correctly. Unfortunately with this knot there is plenty of room for user error and I've definitely been there
Sorry, just re read and you wasn't even replying to me, I'll get my coat
I didn't say you hadn't
For braids with a slight coating I run the part going to be knotted through my nails removing that coating. Never had 1 slip on me yet, when tied correctly. Unfortunately with this knot there is plenty of room for user error and I've definitely been there
Sorry, just re read and you wasn't even replying to me, I'll get my coat
In reply to Post #13
It's possible, but a few have mentioned slippage already so I'm not the only one.
I used the albright knot a lot which is similar, and never had a broblem(mono/flouro to braid) but I always found the mahin (braid to braid) to slip when testing.
It's possible, but a few have mentioned slippage already so I'm not the only one.
I used the albright knot a lot which is similar, and never had a broblem(mono/flouro to braid) but I always found the mahin (braid to braid) to slip when testing.
In reply to Post #16
Never really found braid to braid an issue. Braid to mono/flouro, that's when you need to take care. Sometimes it will look right but just won't bed. It has taken me a couple of goes to get it how I want in the past but when its right its right
Never really found braid to braid an issue. Braid to mono/flouro, that's when you need to take care. Sometimes it will look right but just won't bed. It has taken me a couple of goes to get it how I want in the past but when its right its right
To be fair most knots will do once you get one right, unless you hit your clip with the spod at about 750mph
works pretty well
works pretty well
In reply to Post #16
When tying braid to braid with a Mahin, I find an additional overhand knot on the tag end cures the problem and stops it from slipping..
When tying braid to braid with a Mahin, I find an additional overhand knot on the tag end cures the problem and stops it from slipping..
In reply to Post #19
Before I gave up with it I was doing the extra overhand, and also using a figure 8 instead of the overhand on the thicker diameter braid. This stopped slippage but the breaking strain was less than with a double grinner. I use casting weed rakes often which may have highlighted weakness.
I started using heavier braid straight through in the end
Before I gave up with it I was doing the extra overhand, and also using a figure 8 instead of the overhand on the thicker diameter braid. This stopped slippage but the breaking strain was less than with a double grinner. I use casting weed rakes often which may have highlighted weakness.
I started using heavier braid straight through in the end
In reply to Post #20
I use an Albright never had an issue
I use an Albright never had an issue
In reply to Post #21
Sorry read wrong thought it was a mono leader to braid
Sorry read wrong thought it was a mono leader to braid
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