After many threads on here about these I thought I should post about the job I'm currently doing. There is a vermin issue, it's a demolition site which has been stood for many years. The pest control people have been in and put poison boxes down and we've had a steady stream of dead mice over the last couple of weeks, at a guess around 80 or so we've found. Many have been fairly close to the boxes ,but at least 10 have been at least 15-20 metres from the closest poison box, so all the talk of the poison instantly killing them is incorrect. So bare that in mind when choosing what method you use at home as they definitely do not die as quickly as some on here say
In reply to Post #1
Thanks for confirming the reality of these things mate. I've always been against there use on here yet you keep seeing them recommended. They should be BANNED for sale to the general public until they are 100% safe, for the sake of wildlife and domestic pets.
Thanks for confirming the reality of these things mate. I've always been against there use on here yet you keep seeing them recommended. They should be BANNED for sale to the general public until they are 100% safe, for the sake of wildlife and domestic pets.
In reply to Post #1
Well that depends entirely on what poisons are used dont it ?
and in any case SURELY the point is can secondary poisoning occur (like a cat or dog a bird eating a dead mouse )
ANSWER no it cant
and as clearly your referring to my postings
when I advocate using the fantastic Rentokil baited mouse boxes and fact they dont eat it they just need to lick it thats why its pretty much instant with these boxes that why each box can kill up to 50 mice as they dont need to eat it
speaking to the Pest controller chap that does the council properties he was going on about how fantastic the boxes were and wish they could invent something as good for rats
there are lots of forum members on here with experience of using the boxes
And Vossy get a grip mate ? THEY ARE 100% SAFE thats why the laws on pest control are so stiff it takes 2 weeks of a rat eating poison to kill it from anything you can buy over the counter the days of owls and cats and dogs getting secondary poisoning are LONG GONE thankfully
just have the scare mongering *****s left
and I am talking about a specific product the baited mouse boxes
Kills mice within 24 hours
Children and pet friendly
One box kills up to 50 mice
Available in a single and twin packs
No bait handling required
For indoor use
Made in the UK
Well that depends entirely on what poisons are used dont it ?
and in any case SURELY the point is can secondary poisoning occur (like a cat or dog a bird eating a dead mouse )
ANSWER no it cant
and as clearly your referring to my postings
when I advocate using the fantastic Rentokil baited mouse boxes and fact they dont eat it they just need to lick it thats why its pretty much instant with these boxes that why each box can kill up to 50 mice as they dont need to eat it speaking to the Pest controller chap that does the council properties he was going on about how fantastic the boxes were and wish they could invent something as good for rats
there are lots of forum members on here with experience of using the boxes
And Vossy get a grip mate ? THEY ARE 100% SAFE thats why the laws on pest control are so stiff it takes 2 weeks of a rat eating poison to kill it from anything you can buy over the counter the days of owls and cats and dogs getting secondary poisoning are LONG GONE thankfully
just have the scare mongering *****s left
and I am talking about a specific product the baited mouse boxes
Kills mice within 24 hours
Children and pet friendly
One box kills up to 50 mice
Available in a single and twin packs
No bait handling required
For indoor use
Made in the UK
In reply to Post #3
And Vossy get a grip mate ?
Sorry Gerry, it's you that needs to get a grip mate, what's that saying you like to use, "you can lead a horse to water" and all that.
You can't guarantee the Mouse or Rat won't wonder off to die & affect other animals who eat them, even the manufatcturers won't. You can't guarantee the Mouse or Rat won't take a chunk off and wonder off to die, improbable but not impossible , and that's why the general public shouldn't be allowed to use them.
I mentioned in one of the other posts where these things were recommended, how our council started to use those lick boxes on our allotment site and Mice and Rats were being found dead all over the place, wondering aimlessly in daylight (not normal) along with 2 dead Fox, coincedence...hmm...but even I'm open enough minded to say I can't guarantee it was the box.
I'm not trying to wind you up (seriously) but you are defending the indefensible, until the animal can't escape the box it can affect other wildlife, simple fact.
It's up to folk if they can justify the possibly ramifications of their use, you are a advocate, I am not, we'll never agree on this one
EDIT, note IP mentions poson boxes, do you know what type, lick or bait, type of poison out of interest?
And Vossy get a grip mate ?
Sorry Gerry, it's you that needs to get a grip mate, what's that saying you like to use, "you can lead a horse to water" and all that.
You can't guarantee the Mouse or Rat won't wonder off to die & affect other animals who eat them, even the manufatcturers won't. You can't guarantee the Mouse or Rat won't take a chunk off and wonder off to die, improbable but not impossible , and that's why the general public shouldn't be allowed to use them.
I mentioned in one of the other posts where these things were recommended, how our council started to use those lick boxes on our allotment site and Mice and Rats were being found dead all over the place, wondering aimlessly in daylight (not normal) along with 2 dead Fox, coincedence...hmm...but even I'm open enough minded to say I can't guarantee it was the box.
I'm not trying to wind you up (seriously) but you are defending the indefensible, until the animal can't escape the box it can affect other wildlife, simple fact.
It's up to folk if they can justify the possibly ramifications of their use, you are a advocate, I am not, we'll never agree on this one
EDIT, note IP mentions poson boxes, do you know what type, lick or bait, type of poison out of interest?
In reply to Post #4
The poison that Gerry's talking about is pretty safe, it kills the mice by sending them into a deep sleep which they don't wake up from, its only effective on mice because they are so small, the amount they ingest is tiny, so even if a cat ate the dead mouse it would not do the cat any harm.
Yes there are other poisons that can build up in rats and mice that could then harm any other animal that ate them, or if a dog ate the poison directly.
In the box's Gerry is referring to the amount of poison is very small.
The poison that Gerry's talking about is pretty safe, it kills the mice by sending them into a deep sleep which they don't wake up from, its only effective on mice because they are so small, the amount they ingest is tiny, so even if a cat ate the dead mouse it would not do the cat any harm.
Yes there are other poisons that can build up in rats and mice that could then harm any other animal that ate them, or if a dog ate the poison directly.
In the box's Gerry is referring to the amount of poison is very small.
In reply to Post #5
O.K, fair enough, seriously, show me the scientific study that proves it and I'll retract my opinion
Can't get fairer than that.
EDIT, on the one Gerry recommends or others as the proof rolls in.
O.K, fair enough, seriously, show me the scientific study that proves it and I'll retract my opinion
Can't get fairer than that.
EDIT, on the one Gerry recommends or others as the proof rolls in.
In reply to Post #3
No idea on the exact poison used Gerry as they were installed before I started on here... And yes it is mostly in reference to your postings. You are going on what you are told,I'm going on what I'm seeing with my own eyes. Sorry if my opinion doesn't match your own, it doesn't make it wrong though. Like I've said to you many times, how do you know they die instantly as you obviously don't sit there and watch! I've only reported what I've seen , take it onboard, don't take it onboard, it really doesn't bother me either way. I just thought I'd post so people could make there own decision either way based on findings rather than marketing blurb
No idea on the exact poison used Gerry as they were installed before I started on here... And yes it is mostly in reference to your postings. You are going on what you are told,I'm going on what I'm seeing with my own eyes. Sorry if my opinion doesn't match your own, it doesn't make it wrong though. Like I've said to you many times, how do you know they die instantly as you obviously don't sit there and watch! I've only reported what I've seen , take it onboard, don't take it onboard, it really doesn't bother me either way. I just thought I'd post so people could make there own decision either way based on findings rather than marketing blurb
So, I might add to this post, but 1st quick search,
Rentokill Fast Action Mouse Killer, active ingredient, Alphachloralose. works as an anesthetic
Finnish Safety and Chemicals Agency (Tukes) began to study alphachloralose (AC) toxicity in Cats and Dogs
EDIT, there are loads of articles on this on the web.
Rentokill Fast Action Mouse Killer, active ingredient, Alphachloralose. works as an anesthetic
Finnish Safety and Chemicals Agency (Tukes) began to study alphachloralose (AC) toxicity in Cats and Dogs
EDIT, there are loads of articles on this on the web.
In reply to Post #7
And I go on my eyes and years of actually using it !!!!!!!!!!!!
along with a lot of forum members and lets get it right ! QUOTE I have always said its pretty much instant
thats based on often finding the mice still with their head in the box the furthest I have EVER found a dead mouse from the box is about 5 feet
AND VOSSY did you not read my post ? I even put the relevant bit in bold ?...Children and pet friendly
Im Ian I am not interested in your opinion in the slightest
just the fact you with your normal argumentative bull shine you will put people off using a superb safe product that will save their fishing gear chewed up by mice
And I go on my eyes and years of actually using it !!!!!!!!!!!!
along with a lot of forum members and lets get it right ! QUOTE I have always said its pretty much instant
thats based on often finding the mice still with their head in the box the furthest I have EVER found a dead mouse from the box is about 5 feet
AND VOSSY did you not read my post ? I even put the relevant bit in bold ?...Children and pet friendly
Im Ian I am not interested in your opinion in the slightest
just the fact you with your normal argumentative bull shine you will put people off using a superb safe product that will save their fishing gear chewed up by mice
In reply to Post #9
What I like best about you is that you're an expert on absolutely everything.
What I like best about you is that you're an expert on absolutely everything.
In reply to Post #10
pot kettle
pot kettle
In reply to Post #8
FFS again I will tell you the mice DONT EAT IT THEY LICK IT
its such a minute amount hence why its pet and children friendly
FFS again I will tell you the mice DONT EAT IT THEY LICK IT
its such a minute amount hence why its pet and children friendly
In reply to Post #10
its a gift you cant learn it
its a gift you cant learn it
In reply to Post #11
I'm only an expert on what I'm an expert on.
I'm only an expert on what I'm an expert on.
In reply to Post #14
fair play
fair play
In reply to Post #9
AND VOSSY did you not read my post ? I even put the relevant bit in bold ?...Children and pet friendly
I did Gerry, did you not read that study by VETS that disputes that claim...by the by, a few sites I checked on said the Rentokill stuff was discontinued, don't know if that's true
Some of the stuff makes for interesting reading Gerry, domestic users and companies like Rentokill moved over to AC after the other chemical was banned by the EU for domestic use. It makes me wonder if this was a case of shifting to avoid EU regs and whether they'll ban it too eventually, bit like a lot of the weed killers in use.
I also note that the studies in Cats and Dogs refer to large doses of AC, compared to the low doses found in the product, having said that it could be accumulative and does not show what effects it might have on far smaller animals like Owls for instance.
EDIT FFS again I will tell you the mice DONT EAT IT THEY LICK IT Who told the mouse not to take a chunk out of it, they can chew through steel, calm down.
AND VOSSY did you not read my post ? I even put the relevant bit in bold ?...Children and pet friendly
I did Gerry, did you not read that study by VETS that disputes that claim...by the by, a few sites I checked on said the Rentokill stuff was discontinued, don't know if that's true
Some of the stuff makes for interesting reading Gerry, domestic users and companies like Rentokill moved over to AC after the other chemical was banned by the EU for domestic use. It makes me wonder if this was a case of shifting to avoid EU regs and whether they'll ban it too eventually, bit like a lot of the weed killers in use.
I also note that the studies in Cats and Dogs refer to large doses of AC, compared to the low doses found in the product, having said that it could be accumulative and does not show what effects it might have on far smaller animals like Owls for instance.
EDIT FFS again I will tell you the mice DONT EAT IT THEY LICK IT Who told the mouse not to take a chunk out of it, they can chew through steel, calm down.
In reply to Post #9
Why you **** of back under your bridge Gerry? I simply put up what I've seen and you are throwing your toys out of your pram as usual because it doesn't go along with your own opinion.
Why you **** of back under your bridge Gerry? I simply put up what I've seen and you are throwing your toys out of your pram as usual because it doesn't go along with your own opinion.
In reply to Post #17
A lot said the same in the bitching thread
A lot said the same in the bitching thread
In reply to Post #18
The point? Yes I've seen it, and been on the Rentokill webby, not exactly eye opening but if it floats your boat.
So VETS studies count for nothing hey, even the pages of them on the web citing AC with PET poisoning, not just from vets but also other scientific studies. Instead we have to rely on the companies blurb, your experience and that of your friends.
I haven't seen one jot of proof that AC is safe from you but I can prove it's not, fair enough?
I did say before, It's up to folk if they can justify the possibly ramifications of their use, you are a advocate, I am not, we'll never agree on this one
I strongly suspect AC will be banned for domestic use in the future, if you want to us it that's up to you until that time.
Not going to fall out over it Gerry, lifes too short
The point? Yes I've seen it, and been on the Rentokill webby, not exactly eye opening but if it floats your boat.
So VETS studies count for nothing hey, even the pages of them on the web citing AC with PET poisoning, not just from vets but also other scientific studies. Instead we have to rely on the companies blurb, your experience and that of your friends.
I haven't seen one jot of proof that AC is safe from you but I can prove it's not, fair enough?
I did say before, It's up to folk if they can justify the possibly ramifications of their use, you are a advocate, I am not, we'll never agree on this one
I strongly suspect AC will be banned for domestic use in the future, if you want to us it that's up to you until that time.
Not going to fall out over it Gerry, lifes too short
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