Hi everyone. Looking for a bit of advice and guidance on a basemix I'm thinking of trying out.
300g LT94
100g CPSP90
100g Krill
200g CLO
100g Lamlac
100g Acid Casein
50g Kelp
50g Robin Red
This is my first time posting a recipe on here so be gentle please lol.
300g LT94
100g CPSP90
100g Krill
200g CLO
100g Lamlac
100g Acid Casein
50g Kelp
50g Robin Red
This is my first time posting a recipe on here so be gentle please lol.
In reply to Post #1
Parts of the mix are absolutely fine but it looks like it may struggle on the binder side of it.
Parts of the mix are absolutely fine but it looks like it may struggle on the binder side of it.
In reply to Post #2
What is and isn't classed as binders?
What is and isn't classed as binders?
In reply to Post #2
How about if I change it to this?
300g LT94
100g CPSP90
100g Krill
200g CLO
100g Acid Casien
50g Lamlac
50g WPC
50g Kelp
50g Robin Red
How about if I change it to this?
300g LT94
100g CPSP90
100g Krill
200g CLO
100g Acid Casien
50g Lamlac
50g WPC
50g Kelp
50g Robin Red
In reply to Post #3
There's a few course Ingrediants and just may find it struggles. May roll absolute perfect and I'm only suggesting it may need a better binder including. Like repacing some Lamlac with Whey.
There's a few course Ingrediants and just may find it struggles. May roll absolute perfect and I'm only suggesting it may need a better binder including. Like repacing some Lamlac with Whey.
In reply to Post #4
My advice would be to do a 'on paper' trail mix like you have.
But on the practical side with rolling it, I would divide the 1 kilo mix, and each ingredient amount by 7.
Just enough for a medium or large 1 egg mix with a small amount of liquid.
A nice set of accurate digital scales, that go in grams, will pay for it self in the long run.
From personal experience this will save you a lot on ingredient wastage in the experimental stage, and so forth until you get the balance right for your type of finished bait. Then work up to a 2 egg mix, 4 egg mix 6 egg mix, etc.
I would say that 50% content of fishmeal and krill is on the high side, compared to most mainstream baits available. But also the oily ingredients, like LT94, Krill, Lamlac, Robin red can cause rolling problems in high total % amounts.
Some CLO's do not roll anywhere near as well as the original... despite marketing hype.
I would start off aiming for 60-70% binders and work down from there.
If it doesn't roll nicely, you aren't going to love rolling it.
Happy experimenting
My advice would be to do a 'on paper' trail mix like you have.
But on the practical side with rolling it, I would divide the 1 kilo mix, and each ingredient amount by 7.
Just enough for a medium or large 1 egg mix with a small amount of liquid.
A nice set of accurate digital scales, that go in grams, will pay for it self in the long run.
From personal experience this will save you a lot on ingredient wastage in the experimental stage, and so forth until you get the balance right for your type of finished bait. Then work up to a 2 egg mix, 4 egg mix 6 egg mix, etc.
I would say that 50% content of fishmeal and krill is on the high side, compared to most mainstream baits available. But also the oily ingredients, like LT94, Krill, Lamlac, Robin red can cause rolling problems in high total % amounts.
Some CLO's do not roll anywhere near as well as the original... despite marketing hype.
I would start off aiming for 60-70% binders and work down from there.
If it doesn't roll nicely, you aren't going to love rolling it.
Happy experimenting
In reply to Post #1
300grams of that mix are soluble. Are you that's not gonna be a sticky pig to roll and fall apart after five minutes. Also there's a danger that mix might be a bit on the light side. I don't think it will actually float but krill, lamlac, cassien, predigested FM and whey are all light ingredients.
300grams of that mix are soluble. Are you that's not gonna be a sticky pig to roll and fall apart after five minutes. Also there's a danger that mix might be a bit on the light side. I don't think it will actually float but krill, lamlac, cassien, predigested FM and whey are all light ingredients.
In reply to Post #7
I only see it as 20% as acid casien isn't soluble although I'm sure LT94 has a level of solubility
I only see it as 20% as acid casien isn't soluble although I'm sure LT94 has a level of solubility
In reply to Post #8
I probably should have put soluble/semi-soluble.
I probably should have put soluble/semi-soluble.
In reply to Post #9
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In reply to Post #10
When the weather warms up and I can get in my bait shed I will try rolling a test batch
When the weather warms up and I can get in my bait shed I will try rolling a test batch
id be worried about that floating.
10g of crushed oyster shell or knock the krill/milks back.
10g of crushed oyster shell or knock the krill/milks back.
In reply to Post #12
Im going to change it slightly and wouldn't add oyster shell as I can't see the value of adding it
Im going to change it slightly and wouldn't add oyster shell as I can't see the value of adding it
In reply to Post #1
Personally I'd ditch the Robin red, very overrated imo
Personally I'd ditch the Robin red, very overrated imo
In reply to Post #13
the value in using it is that you can keep your recipe the same and it wont float....
the value in using it is that you can keep your recipe the same and it wont float....
In reply to Post #15
The Robin Red will be replaced by a combination of smoked paprika and chilli powder
The Robin Red will be replaced by a combination of smoked paprika and chilli powder
150g LT fishmeal
100g sardine fishmeal
100g predisgest fishmeal
50g lactalbumin
50g rennet casein
100g vitamelo
100g soya flour
50g crushed hemp
350g CLO
8 eggs, 25ml nutramino, few ml sweetener and flavour of your choice - 3-4ml monster crab or squid flavour etc
100g sardine fishmeal
100g predisgest fishmeal
50g lactalbumin
50g rennet casein
100g vitamelo
100g soya flour
50g crushed hemp
350g CLO
8 eggs, 25ml nutramino, few ml sweetener and flavour of your choice - 3-4ml monster crab or squid flavour etc
In reply to Post #15
I agree. Oyster shell is a very useful product for dealing with a light bait.
I agree. Oyster shell is a very useful product for dealing with a light bait.
In reply to Post #18
I've never tried crushed hemp. Have you ever tried that recipe?
I've never tried crushed hemp. Have you ever tried that recipe?
In reply to Post #19
It is one of my favourite recipes for summer and autumn fishing.
Crushed hemp-in package is like hemp flour, rude granulation. Yo can buy hemp pellets and blend it. I'm using it for open texture in my boilie and some attraction.
You can take also niger seeds or some birdfood mix, use what you have.
If you dont have CLO use semolina for binding propetties and some bird seeds for better digestion and open texure of boilie. It is simple recipe but for me very productive
I use this combos: Aabaits 4ml squid octopus+0.5ml e12,
RH mullbery florentine 1.5ml-2ml alone or with few drops od black pepper
RH monster crab or AABaits 3-4ml alone, or in conjuction with shellfish sense appeal
3-4ml squid+few drops black pepper
3-4ml squid+ 1ml solar ester cream
Most of my fish basemix work well with squid and monster crab, 80% of fish i catch on that flavours
Mullbery or plum is my favourite nice smelling flavours to use on fish base mix
This recipes are for 1000g of basemix and 7-8 eggs
Imperial baits (Germany)- Squid liver concentrate is excellent adition to any boilie, soluble and very attractive to carp. I am using it with big confidence, 10% in basemix and without any liquid flavour in eggs is very productive and nice smelling
It is one of my favourite recipes for summer and autumn fishing.
Crushed hemp-in package is like hemp flour, rude granulation. Yo can buy hemp pellets and blend it. I'm using it for open texture in my boilie and some attraction.
You can take also niger seeds or some birdfood mix, use what you have.
If you dont have CLO use semolina for binding propetties and some bird seeds for better digestion and open texure of boilie. It is simple recipe but for me very productive
I use this combos: Aabaits 4ml squid octopus+0.5ml e12,
RH mullbery florentine 1.5ml-2ml alone or with few drops od black pepper
RH monster crab or AABaits 3-4ml alone, or in conjuction with shellfish sense appeal
3-4ml squid+few drops black pepper
3-4ml squid+ 1ml solar ester cream
Most of my fish basemix work well with squid and monster crab, 80% of fish i catch on that flavours
Mullbery or plum is my favourite nice smelling flavours to use on fish base mix
This recipes are for 1000g of basemix and 7-8 eggs
Imperial baits (Germany)- Squid liver concentrate is excellent adition to any boilie, soluble and very attractive to carp. I am using it with big confidence, 10% in basemix and without any liquid flavour in eggs is very productive and nice smelling
In reply to Post #20
After a bit more looking around and listening to some advice. How does the following sound
300g LT94
75g Pre digested fishmeal
75g WPC
150g CLO
150g Soya flour
100g Semolina
40g Spice
40g Brocacel yeast
40g Liver powder
30g kelp
Per kg
50ml Liver Hydrolysate
30ml oil
After a bit more looking around and listening to some advice. How does the following sound
300g LT94
75g Pre digested fishmeal
75g WPC
150g CLO
150g Soya flour
100g Semolina
40g Spice
40g Brocacel yeast
40g Liver powder
30g kelp
Per kg
50ml Liver Hydrolysate
30ml oil
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