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Cheapest reliable base mix (33 posts / 8,434 views)
luckyjim luckyjim
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Post #1 12 Nov 2020 22:52
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So, what is the Cheapest reliable base mix, in the past I've used....

5oz semolina
3oz soya flour
2oz maize meal
5ml flavour
2ml sweetener if needed.
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #2 12 Nov 2020 23:05
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In reply to Post #1
That might be cheap but I'd definitely not put that in the reliable category
luckyjim luckyjim
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Post #3 12 Nov 2020 23:21
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In reply to Post #2
What is
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #4 12 Nov 2020 23:24
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In reply to Post #3
They don't need to be complicated.

A bit of birdfood
A bit of milk protein
A bit of fishmeal
Some cheap additives from the supermarket

Job done. Take a look at the BM1 mix thread. That's a good start. Or look at the Tropamino mix by British Aqua Feeds.
Smurf Smurf
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Post #5 13 Nov 2020 12:02
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In reply to Post #1
Before you can say you need to define reliable and I bet everyone on here has a different view on that
luckyjim luckyjim
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Post #6 13 Nov 2020 15:59
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In reply to Post #5
By reliable , I had in mind a mix that seems to work pretty much
all the time, but as you say....we all have different opinions and views .

reply #4
can you do a link to the BM1 mix thread please, I've done a search....
bristol bristol
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Post #7 13 Nov 2020 16:27
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In reply to Post #6
Simple mix I've posted here before that IMO covers all of the bases, is simple and most importantly works well:

40% LT94 fishmeal
20% CLO
20% Lamlac
20% semolina

Combined with a decent amount of hydro (krill, fish, squid etc) and some flavourings (if that's what tickles your fancy) and you're away
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
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Post #8 13 Nov 2020 16:27
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In reply to Post #6
Hi David.

It's at the top of the bait section. The thread is called the carp forum approved bait.
luckyjim luckyjim
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Post #9 13 Nov 2020 17:33
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In reply to Post #8
Thanks Wayne, got it
chrispfox chrispfox
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Post #10 13 Nov 2020 18:27
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In reply to Post #7
When you say a decent amount of hydro are you talking about liquids or powders? Do you think plum flavour would work with say squid/octopus or crab?
Cambscarper1974 Cambscarper1974
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Post #11 13 Nov 2020 18:48
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In reply to Post #10
As much as your budget will allow. I use poor man's hydro which is a belachan block thinned down with 300mol of fish sauce. That recipe below is spot on and fits your criteria perfectly.
bristol bristol
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Post #12 13 Nov 2020 19:26
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In reply to Post #10
I use liquid hydros, have a look on the BAF website as they have a few real good ones. A drop of JB crab or plum works wonders...
chrispfox chrispfox
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Post #13 14 Nov 2020 18:05
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In reply to Post #12
Thanks mate

vossy1 vossy1
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Post #14 14 Nov 2020 18:14
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In reply to Post #11
I think you're doing those ingredients a disservice, I'd hold them equal if not better than.
chrispfox chrispfox
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Post #15 14 Nov 2020 22:13
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Another question on this... I know this mix would work as is, but what are your thoughts on this?


30% LT94 Fishmeal
10% Predigested Fishmeal
15% CLO
5% Robin Red
20% Lamlac
20% Semolina

Have I just overcomplicated it?

Thanks in advance
Silverback Silverback
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Post #16 14 Nov 2020 22:30
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In reply to Post #15
The bait buffs would probably suggest that you have too much soluble stuff in that one.

Would definitely work though......
scaley&dark
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Post #17 14 Nov 2020 23:15
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In reply to Post #15
30% plus solubles, could poentially end up with a sticky, or soft mix, or both.

If you really want the robin red in there it will up the cost of the finished bait.
I'd just simply reduce the LT94 by 5%.

35% LT94 Fishmeal
20% CLO
20% Lamlac
20% Semolina
5% Robin Red

Cambscarper1974 Cambscarper1974
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Post #18 15 Nov 2020 12:17
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In reply to Post #15
To include pdf I'd reduce the lamlac personally. Otherwise you are adding something soluble whilst taking away a % of an insoluble ingredient. I can see some benefit in making it softer and more digestible in cold water but you would have to see if it rolls or not. Another option is just to gun it out and then boil it and then it doesn't matter if it's soft then. Chop the sausages up and it's even more soluble as you have an unsealed end so to speak.
Cambscarper1974 Cambscarper1974
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Post #19 15 Nov 2020 12:20
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In reply to Post #14
Yes, totally agree. My point was that it's cheap as chips compared to hydro and just as effective, to the point that I don't bother with hydros anymore.
chrispfox chrispfox
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Post #20 15 Nov 2020 15:51
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In reply to Post #17
Thanks mate. I do really like Robin Red in a fishmeal bait. My main reason for making my own bait is the satisfaction of catching something (hopefully) on it. Cost is a secondary issue for me, although a great benefit.

I'm planning on two baits for the next year - this one and a sweeter birdseed one for colder weather.
dickweed dickweed
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Post #21 15 Nov 2020 23:24
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5 herring meal
2 lamlac
2.5 semolina
1.5 soya meal
1.0 wheat germ.
dickweed dickweed
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Post #22 12 Jan 2025 12:26
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In reply to Post #7
This is now my regular mix for over 18 months now. I use it al year round and it our performs the trop base mix. The difference has been day and night. Cheaper as well.
Currymuncher
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Post #23 12 Jan 2025 14:18
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It does look a decent mix , prob better than many shop bought ones out there
alapeche alapeche
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Post #24 13 Jan 2025 11:36
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In reply to Post #11
Where would be the best place to get the fish sauce ?
Thanks.
PaulBishop PaulBishop
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Post #25 13 Jan 2025 12:11
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In reply to Post #24
Oriental supermarkets will have the widest choice.
Sgfc Sgfc
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aka The Combover Kid Post #26 13 Jan 2025 12:45
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In reply to Post #24
LINKY POO™ https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/squid-brand-fish-sauce-725ml

This is a decent start.
Monkeypox
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Post #27 13 Jan 2025 17:26
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In reply to Post #1
I used a similar mix back in the early eighties to great success , the semo soya flour mix , wasn't the original richworth 50/50 mix based on this.?

Look at the fish that Winkworth and Dierdritch caught on this basic mix.
alapeche alapeche
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Post #28 14 Jan 2025 12:14
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In reply to Post #26
Thanks for that.
AnglingDays&Way AnglingDays&Way
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Post #29 16 Jan 2025 04:07
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In reply to Post #27
The original Richworth 50/50 mix was 50% carbohydrate and 50% protein.
christian
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Post #30 16 Jan 2025 09:28
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In reply to Post #29
And the protein came mainly from pruteen a single cell protein, which is not available anymore.
bristol bristol
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Post #31 16 Jan 2025 18:30
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In reply to Post #21
Very similar to my mix. Agree with the comments, almost certainly better than 90% baits out there. Good to see
MARKerz
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Post #32 17 Jan 2025 07:14
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Way back I used 7oz Red Factor, 7oz Semolina & 2oz Liver Brekkies.
Bit of oil, Parmesan cheese, Marmite or Vecon & a couple of ml flavour, caught everywhere.
Mix in post 7 will catch plenty, no need to over complicate things for these simple fish.
vossy1 vossy1
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Post #33 17 Jan 2025 12:19
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In reply to Post #19
Missed this 1st time round, I agree but 4 years later not so cheap anymore
Personnaly now if I had to buy a monetarily low value base mix (not low quality) it'd probably be AA Baits. Buying ingredients separately wouldn't be worth it anymore (unless using in bulk). A 50/50 sem/soy which you can get from any Asian food store reasonably is still worth a experiment, bit of wholemeal, maybe some desciated coconut, the options are endless in those shops!
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