In reply to Post #1
It's your funeral so do as you think best. Personally, the thought of a load of (heavy) water filling up the waders and making the chances of getting back into a boat or swimming to the shore don't seem like a Darwin choice. A life jacket will support a persons weight but adding the huge amount of water that will fill the waders will probably make it near useless.
It's your funeral so do as you think best. Personally, the thought of a load of (heavy) water filling up the waders and making the chances of getting back into a boat or swimming to the shore don't seem like a Darwin choice. A life jacket will support a persons weight but adding the huge amount of water that will fill the waders will probably make it near useless.
In reply to Post #2
Stick your feet up and on your back straight away and your fine. If your conscious of course.
Stick your feet up and on your back straight away and your fine. If your conscious of course.
In reply to Post #2
A person isn't heavier in water with water in the waders (think wetsuit), so this wouldn't affect the buoyancy of the jacket. The weight of the person increases when climbing out into the boat agreed. Wearing a belt makes water ingress far less it seems.
Until this morning I would have said wearing waders in a boat less than advisable, but does wearing a good vest, and belt mitigate the dangers?
Does rolling the wader down to a belt make it safer still in that getting them off is easier with a vest on?
A person isn't heavier in water with water in the waders (think wetsuit), so this wouldn't affect the buoyancy of the jacket. The weight of the person increases when climbing out into the boat agreed. Wearing a belt makes water ingress far less it seems.
Until this morning I would have said wearing waders in a boat less than advisable, but does wearing a good vest, and belt mitigate the dangers?
Does rolling the wader down to a belt make it safer still in that getting them off is easier with a vest on?
In reply to Post #2
Water weighs the same wether it's inside waders or outside, it's irrelevant
Water weighs the same wether it's inside waders or outside, it's irrelevant
I think the weight of the water part is mentioned because it could make it extremely difficult to exit the water, especially if you try to climb up a muddy bank or into a boat with wet sides.
When youre in the water the waders will also make it more difficult to move your legs if you need to swim.
If I fell in the water I'd much rather have just jeans or even better shorts and trainers on than waders, it's hard to swim in cold water as it is without struggling with chesties on too.
When youre in the water the waders will also make it more difficult to move your legs if you need to swim.
If I fell in the water I'd much rather have just jeans or even better shorts and trainers on than waders, it's hard to swim in cold water as it is without struggling with chesties on too.
In reply to Post #1
You should wear floatation gear in a boat. So what's the advantage you're after by wearing chest waders in a boat?
You should wear floatation gear in a boat. So what's the advantage you're after by wearing chest waders in a boat?
In reply to Post #7
Getting in and out of your boat at the waters edge where some pools can be very silty and need more than wellies?
Getting in and out of your boat at the waters edge where some pools can be very silty and need more than wellies?
In reply to Post #1
Re the wet suit comment, yes you do allow water in and the thin film gets warm quite quickly from your body heat and insulates you. A wet suit is designed to be quite tight fitting whereas waders would be like a wind sock in a stiff breeze!
The water being heavy obviously applies if you are trying to climb up onto a boat or a staging. If you are in the drink, the forces will cancel out but any wind or undertow will mean you're not in charge of what direction you might want to take.
Imagine filling your waders with a hosepipe to overflowing and then trying to walking or climb a ladder and everything is suddenly more difficult. Chuck in a bit of panic and hypothermia and your life choices are at a sharp junction.
Re the wet suit comment, yes you do allow water in and the thin film gets warm quite quickly from your body heat and insulates you. A wet suit is designed to be quite tight fitting whereas waders would be like a wind sock in a stiff breeze!
The water being heavy obviously applies if you are trying to climb up onto a boat or a staging. If you are in the drink, the forces will cancel out but any wind or undertow will mean you're not in charge of what direction you might want to take.
Imagine filling your waders with a hosepipe to overflowing and then trying to walking or climb a ladder and everything is suddenly more difficult. Chuck in a bit of panic and hypothermia and your life choices are at a sharp junction.
In reply to Post #4
Wetsuits are made of neoprene foam and are very buoyant. The air in the foam provides the insulation to keep you warm and the buoyancy is why divers have to use weight belts of several kilograms to stay submerged so different to most waders. I personally wouldn't wear chest waders in a boat, but each to their own. If you have to, use neoprene.
Wetsuits are made of neoprene foam and are very buoyant. The air in the foam provides the insulation to keep you warm and the buoyancy is why divers have to use weight belts of several kilograms to stay submerged so different to most waders. I personally wouldn't wear chest waders in a boat, but each to their own. If you have to, use neoprene.
In reply to Post #8
Spot on. Boat work with just wellies is limiting. Taking waders off is a pain. Maybe thigh waders are the in between ground.
Spot on. Boat work with just wellies is limiting. Taking waders off is a pain. Maybe thigh waders are the in between ground.
In reply to Post #10
That's not right
As a diver myself, it's the air in your lungs, the bottle of air on your back and BCD plus a very marginal wetsuit is the reason for weights and you use the BCD with small amounts of air to equalise you in the water to gain neutral buoyancy.
A wetsuit + weights and you'll be pinned to the bottom of a lake. I think you might be thinking of a dry suit which is quite buoyant.
That's not right
As a diver myself, it's the air in your lungs, the bottle of air on your back and BCD plus a very marginal wetsuit is the reason for weights and you use the BCD with small amounts of air to equalise you in the water to gain neutral buoyancy.
A wetsuit + weights and you'll be pinned to the bottom of a lake. I think you might be thinking of a dry suit which is quite buoyant.
In reply to Post #1
Normally waders have a lot of trapped air.
The dudes from the dutch carp community forum (kwo) did a test with waders and boats in a pool.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RLgTI_uweaY
Normally waders have a lot of trapped air.
The dudes from the dutch carp community forum (kwo) did a test with waders and boats in a pool.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RLgTI_uweaY
In reply to Post #12
Sorry but it is right. A human being in a wet suit has considerable buoyancy and if you want to sink and stay sunk you need a weight belt to achieve a slight negative buoyancy. If you want to discuss the whole sub aqua thing with all the modern tech, fair enough, although it's a long time since I was an instructor. I was making the simple point that wetsuits behave differently in water to most waders.
Sorry but it is right. A human being in a wet suit has considerable buoyancy and if you want to sink and stay sunk you need a weight belt to achieve a slight negative buoyancy. If you want to discuss the whole sub aqua thing with all the modern tech, fair enough, although it's a long time since I was an instructor. I was making the simple point that wetsuits behave differently in water to most waders.
In reply to Post #2
LOL
LOL
In reply to Post #13
Really interesting pool experiment that seems to dispel the wader myth. All without a belt to limit water Ingress, or vest to keep you up.
Really interesting pool experiment that seems to dispel the wader myth. All without a belt to limit water Ingress, or vest to keep you up.
In reply to Post #14
Actually you are right and I'm talking balls
Never swam in one that I can remember, just used them for diving. Just ignore my ramblings.
Actually you are right and I'm talking balls
Never swam in one that I can remember, just used them for diving. Just ignore my ramblings.
In reply to Post #16
So it's a wader myth, quick vault face from a general question from a dozen replies. Looked a very athletic lad in those videos and still struggling to get to safety in the scenarios attempted in a warm swimming pool.
So it's a wader myth, quick vault face from a general question from a dozen replies. Looked a very athletic lad in those videos and still struggling to get to safety in the scenarios attempted in a warm swimming pool.
In reply to Post #18
There's no denying getting in the boat wasn't slick, in either waders or just trousers. The myth I suggest is busted is that you a) sink, and b) go head down. I would think an equal risk is that you get too far from the boat to get back in, but does anybody use a tether to stay with their boat?
There's no denying getting in the boat wasn't slick, in either waders or just trousers. The myth I suggest is busted is that you a) sink, and b) go head down. I would think an equal risk is that you get too far from the boat to get back in, but does anybody use a tether to stay with their boat?
In reply to Post #19
Yes mate when this was discussed on these boards recently. I relayed my experience of going overboard on a big water in France attached to a big cat. Boat was gone after the hooklink snapped and I had to clamber onto an island. Always use a safety cord and never wear chest waders in the boat ever since.
Yes mate when this was discussed on these boards recently. I relayed my experience of going overboard on a big water in France attached to a big cat. Boat was gone after the hooklink snapped and I had to clamber onto an island. Always use a safety cord and never wear chest waders in the boat ever since.
Henry Gilbey did some stuff about this a couple of years back and although he is talking from a rocks into sea point of view it's still the same I have had a dry suit fill up to about the mid thigh (Piss flap open) and couldn't get back onto my kayak without help so would never Personally wear waders in a boat if the water was below about 12 degrees as the time to remove them and get back in could prove too long.
The answer is staring everyone in the face "just cut the welly part off the waders no where for the water to gather or hold"
In reply to Post #17
No problems.
No problems.
In reply to Post #1
People I know who've worn chest waders in a boat have done so to stay dry on wet days. Spending a whole day with a wet botty isn't a lot of fun. But drowning is probably worse... when I needed to wear chest waders to launch or recover a boat - usually the case in Ireland when pike fishing, as a lot of waters I have fished out there don't have nice comfortable jetties to launch from... the waders come straight off after the job is done. There are a few recorded instances of people drowning after going in wearing chest waders. Any responsible angler should never go afloat wearing them and of course, always wear a life jacket. I boat fish a lot, using hire boats on trout waters or my own boat on the rivers. Probably the worse boat safety I see is when carp anglers use them - please guys, take a note out of the predator angler's book and wear a life jacket please. Case in point was last week on a certain Cambs gravel pit where some plonker was out in a Sniper baiting up, no life jacket and it was pretty windy that day... very well known angler as well
People I know who've worn chest waders in a boat have done so to stay dry on wet days. Spending a whole day with a wet botty isn't a lot of fun. But drowning is probably worse... when I needed to wear chest waders to launch or recover a boat - usually the case in Ireland when pike fishing, as a lot of waters I have fished out there don't have nice comfortable jetties to launch from... the waders come straight off after the job is done. There are a few recorded instances of people drowning after going in wearing chest waders. Any responsible angler should never go afloat wearing them and of course, always wear a life jacket. I boat fish a lot, using hire boats on trout waters or my own boat on the rivers. Probably the worse boat safety I see is when carp anglers use them - please guys, take a note out of the predator angler's book and wear a life jacket please. Case in point was last week on a certain Cambs gravel pit where some plonker was out in a Sniper baiting up, no life jacket and it was pretty windy that day... very well known angler as well
I used to go out in boats regularly, and always with a life jacket. I have fallen in and I can guarantee it is not fun in the middle of a reservoir or on a flowing river struggling to get to the bank or back to the boat.
I won't wear chest waders while in the boat, simply because I don't know whether if they fill up would I be able to get back up and onto the boat, I don't want to take that chance. I weigh 75kilos, with wet clothing I struggle to pull myself up onto a boat. With full waders could I do it?
In fact it is not fun when you go out of your chest waders depth, sinking into silt, or stumbling into a hole because your 'prodding stick' didn't register it.
I won't wear chest waders while in the boat, simply because I don't know whether if they fill up would I be able to get back up and onto the boat, I don't want to take that chance. I weigh 75kilos, with wet clothing I struggle to pull myself up onto a boat. With full waders could I do it?
In fact it is not fun when you go out of your chest waders depth, sinking into silt, or stumbling into a hole because your 'prodding stick' didn't register it.
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