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Power Aero 14000xtb Noise (107 posts / 8,053 views)
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #1 14 May 2020 16:42
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Hi i have just bought some power aero, and all 3 have a distinctive knocking noise when your reeling. Now i know its the handle going into the gears as when its tight there is some slight movement( if you hold reel body and move handle you will see). this causes the knocking/tapping noise internally. Now, is this normal, ive been told it is but i just wondered what peoples experiences are? it would see odd to get 3 brand new reels that all had an 'Issue'. Also made in japan you expect any sort f quality control to be better than non japan made reels.

I am being anal maybe?

any feedback is appreciated
roman
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Post #2 14 May 2020 17:01
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My handles will make a knocking noise, from the play in the handle if I reel in quickly?
fzrip
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Post #3 14 May 2020 17:09
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If all three are the same I would very much doubt it was a quality control problem.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #4 14 May 2020 17:50
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When I spooled mine up with line,I noticed the exact same thing 👍
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #5 14 May 2020 21:39
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Thats good to hear
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #6 15 May 2020 10:07
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anyone toyed with the idea of getting the Weston folding handles for these?
Euroboybobbin Euroboybobbin
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Post #7 15 May 2020 10:43
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Did email Weston re the handles.

Never got a reply 🙈

At £75 a pop you would think they would at least reply.


When we are all trying to give business to UK companies and move away from Chinese tat it is really disappointing tbh.

braders1978 braders1978
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Post #8 15 May 2020 10:44
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I have put the carbon handle on from south custom reels,can't stand that cheap horrible looking one on them
noj
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Social photographer... Post #9 15 May 2020 11:02
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If you wanted a reel that's noisy on the retrieve and has folding handles you should've stuck with tournaments
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #10 15 May 2020 11:14
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Yea but no fun is it keeping same reels
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #11 15 May 2020 11:47
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Think you might actually change your reels more than me
noj
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Social photographer... Post #12 15 May 2020 11:47
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It'll be no fun when your drag clickers fall out either
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #13 15 May 2020 13:31
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it will be fun. I can change reels again
Pizza Pizza
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Post #14 15 May 2020 13:34
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you've had a lot of reels mate sounds like you could write the book.

be interested to know the best and the worst you've found.
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #15 15 May 2020 13:40
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Just get bored easy. No perfect reel that's the problem. Always end up back with tournies. Shame you need to buy shallow spools and line clips thats all. Wouldn't cost alot for daiwa to do an original shallow spool and a proper line clip
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #16 15 May 2020 13:55
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That's exactly how I'm finding it lately with reels.On my 10ft set up I have got the daiwa castizms(black,red and silver) version.I love them,but on my distance set up I'm struggling find a reel I honestly like.In last few years I have had,shimano aero technium 12000xtc's,shimano aero technium mgs 14000xtb's,original daiwa iso's,daiwa basia sld and now the power aero xtb.Oh all that money lost
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #17 15 May 2020 13:57
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I loved the original iso,felt strong and reliable,best built of the ones mentioned.I just felt like I was losing distance on my casting with them,maybe just me
stuart666 stuart666
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Post #18 15 May 2020 14:33
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You had the best imo with the original iso and you own the second best the castizm again in imo. I still dont know why daiwa discontinued the iso. On another note i could hit the same distance with my castizms that i could with my black mags when i had them so the castizm will wack a lead.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #19 15 May 2020 15:15
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I was going have the new basia 19 scw until Daiwa cocked up again saying it was magsealed when it's not.Magseal might be a gimmick or a pain when comes to a service but my castizms are still as smooth as day one
roman
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Post #20 15 May 2020 16:34
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That really bugs me, good reels sadly let down by a crap spool design. The clicker that doesn't click. The line behind the spool on occasion. Heard of line clips breaking, and the line guard breaking.
Apart from that they look cool 👍😁
pinhead79
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Post #21 15 May 2020 18:51
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Really suprised that one of the custom reel services hasn't come up with and improved spool clicker yet?
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #22 15 May 2020 19:17
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You can get clickers from the older models for them . Its only the power aero and techs that have the weak spring apparently
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383398411029
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #23 15 May 2020 19:19
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Really glad I bought them ☺
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #24 15 May 2020 20:02
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Do you want buy 2 more of them,never been on the bank
pinhead79
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Post #25 15 May 2020 20:45
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Good find👍
It's only the micky mouse spool clicker that let's these down for me.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #26 15 May 2020 20:46
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Do you want buy two Tim
pinhead79
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Post #27 15 May 2020 20:57
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Talk to me about your nice net instead 😉
woody71
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Post #28 15 May 2020 21:10
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No that design in its various guises has been poor since shimano changed to it, the original techs and longcasts had a completely different design with tension spring rather than torsion spring which was far superior and didn't suffer the problems this design does.

I have longcasts and tech spools from well over 15 years ago that haven't missed a beat
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #29 15 May 2020 21:35
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£770 for the net and will throw you two power aero's in
Pizza Pizza
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Post #30 16 May 2020 10:29
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My Ci4 Big Baitrunners had the problem. When I bought a set of Power Aeros and saw the clicker was the same I sent them back and swore I'd never buy another Shimano until they changed the design.
Goose Goose
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Post #31 16 May 2020 10:51
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New iso isn't as bling as old but is every bit as good, possibly better, time will tell and the basia sld is probably the best basia. Loved castizms but the emcast 25a has a better drag and doesn't look as bling, performs as well for a third of the price, shimano twin power sw is better though if price isn't an issue and comes in a range of sizes.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #32 16 May 2020 11:50
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Had the sld,did not like them for some reason.Im tempted try the new basia scw though,I will see how get on with these power aero's for a bit first
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #33 16 May 2020 16:10
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Ill get line behind the spool no doubt on the aero. That will piss me off and then onto daiwa basia scw
Why can't shimano make a decent line guard? Ridiculous really
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #34 16 May 2020 16:35
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They have designed the new spool to combat line going behind them.
pinhead79
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Post #35 16 May 2020 17:21
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Not once have I had the line go behind the spools on these👍
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #36 16 May 2020 18:32
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Are your clickers working
roman
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Post #37 16 May 2020 19:30
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Must be my 15lb Technium then
pinhead79
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Post #38 16 May 2020 19:34
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2 are but 1 just works when it wants to🤔
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #39 16 May 2020 19:41
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roman
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Post #40 16 May 2020 19:48
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I've had two of the three go silent, then re tensioned the wire, and all seemed ok for a bit. I've now ordered some of the recommended clickers in the link below. I notice the tension wire is placed on the opposite side on the upgraded version.

Original

Upgrade
Pizza Pizza
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Post #41 16 May 2020 22:20
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I've used SS3000's for a bit after relegating my ISO. Thought they were perfection until I got the ISO back out the garage again to pinch some line off the spools...

OK the fast drag is annoying but the ISO are different class. If Rolls Royce built Land Rovers the ISO would be it.

Fishing tomorrow. The SS3000 went back in the garage and the ISO went back on the rods. Mind made up once and for all I reckon.

Had loads of Shimano's over the years, right back to the original Sea Spin Baitrunners. The build quality on those was on a par with Daiwa's best but the spool and line lay was **** by comparison. Recent Shimano reels are just cheap and nasty imo, even the top end ones. And I think Daiwa are going the same way now.
SUNNYMEAD SUNNYMEAD
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Post #42 17 May 2020 01:22
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Same here and never had any noise from them either
pinhead79
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Post #43 17 May 2020 08:41
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Have bought 3 of these now as well, to see if they really do sort out the issue. Will report back 👍
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #44 17 May 2020 08:55
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No pressure then . I would like some felt washers aswell to slow the clutch down. Ultegra 14000 xtd ones would fit, cant seem to find them online
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #45 17 May 2020 09:59
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They came with ice washers separate so may put them in see.if that slows.it down a bit
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #46 17 May 2020 12:33
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Guess what? Just playing around with the reels and one if the clickers has gone already
Goose Goose
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Post #47 17 May 2020 12:40
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That'll learn yer, stop playing around.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #48 17 May 2020 14:43
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Better get some new ones ordered
Goose Goose
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Post #49 17 May 2020 15:27
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Reels not clickers.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #50 17 May 2020 15:30
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He will do that next month
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #51 17 May 2020 16:23
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Too right chaps. Tournies
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #52 17 May 2020 16:24
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cheeky coming from you ha ha ha 😂
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #53 17 May 2020 16:30
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I will wait see what you think of the Daiwa basia scw
Goose Goose
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Post #54 17 May 2020 17:10
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You could always give up your quest for the perfect settup and sell up, buy yourself some golf bat's and all the clothes. There's a guy on the forum that can give you all the info you will ever ner need, user name spin bowler but known to his golf buddies as happy gilmore.
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #55 17 May 2020 17:56
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I also play golf, off a respectable 16 handicap . Played football 4years till 30 years , now just fishing and golf. Love them both
I actually only fish twice a month max as I work 8 till 6 in the city , just love it tho some sad Jealous c*nts on here though I must say that. They think fishing is only right if its some sort of secretive event, non commercial,
non money making. Get a life! Deal with it, worse things going on in the world. Who cares if I buy news reels every few months?.and that korda /fox etc are applying carp tax supply and demand , its not hard and its a business not a bloody charity industry. Anyway... Family first, and if play golf and fish its a bonus.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #56 17 May 2020 18:19
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Spot on well apart from golf,it spoils a good walk
Goose Goose
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Post #57 17 May 2020 21:17
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Agree but you really need to sack off the job and fishing and apply yourself to the golf or you will never be as good as Happy Gilmore.
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #58 17 May 2020 22:00
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Good plan thanks
SUNNYMEAD SUNNYMEAD
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Post #59 19 May 2020 15:08
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I have noticed on mine because the clicker is pointed it's starting to wear a slight groove on the serrated cog
That fits on the spindle
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #60 19 May 2020 15:12
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just got my news ones will fit later

its just an awful design all round, very poor from shimano
Yellowman Yellowman
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Post #61 19 May 2020 15:30
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You need RD10081 felt washers from Shimmy, order through a dealer.
Done it and the are ace !
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #62 19 May 2020 16:21
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ok thanks. just fitted the new clickers, Ryan at future fishing told me how to do it and its fairly easy. the spring is clearly thicker gauge so fingers crossed they work for a while
noj
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Hopefully it'll solve the issue.
Funny how shimano users always claim they make bike gears so must do the best reels. Maybe once they master clickers, drags, line guards and handles that don't flap about when in transit it may be true
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #64 19 May 2020 17:11
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Is there a knack to it
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #65 19 May 2020 17:27
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From ryan:

balance the metal clicker piece on the spool, stick it in place using vasaline or a similar grease
-place the spring over the top with tweezers
- stick the screw to the end of your screwdriver with grease (no not use magnet because it will move everything else out of place)
- screw tight, but not to tight

I had the shakes and Still managed it
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #66 19 May 2020 17:28
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80 quid weston folding handles job done
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #67 19 May 2020 17:54
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👍Just got wait for mine to arrive
Goose Goose
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Post #68 19 May 2020 19:05
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Like kids with mopeds, tinker, tinker big air fiiter loud pipe etc etc don't make better or faster but they think it is till they get bored and buy a better bike, or upgrade reels in this case.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #69 19 May 2020 19:18
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Am I spending money you have had to go to work to earn.Is me swapping and changing reels harming anyone.What I spend my money on is only one person's business,mine.I don't see how changing a part for something better to make the reel perform how it should do when shimano made it is a bad thing.The new clickers are a massive £5.99 each
roman
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Post #70 19 May 2020 19:45
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All done thanks 🙏
Goose Goose
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Post #71 19 May 2020 19:56
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Yea but you'll be selling them soon, and no no no and no I don't care you are helping the economy, keeping the retailers alive along with the couriers, its all good.
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #72 19 May 2020 20:04
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Great. He said these ones you should get 5 years out of at least. ..
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #73 19 May 2020 20:34
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We won't own them then
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #74 19 May 2020 20:37
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Well when I sell them at least the common fault will be sorted
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #75 19 May 2020 21:21
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Buy high sell low thats my motto
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #76 19 May 2020 21:29
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Yeah,gives me a nice warm feeling knowing the buyer has had a bargain
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #77 20 May 2020 13:02
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Just done mine
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #78 20 May 2020 13:49
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that will add a good 10 quid onto sale price

about time fox brought out a top end reel again, the clutch in the 12000xt mag was sublime (tension spring too)Miles better than anything else ive used, shame the quality of the reels part were utter crap
pinhead79
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Post #79 20 May 2020 17:16
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How has it gone Tony?
Mine should have arrived today, trakking info says they have been delivered to my address, but nothing has been posted through my door
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #80 20 May 2020 19:04
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Went on easy enough once got them right way round .I did it bit differently though,I put the little wire onto the metal clicker then lowered it all on with some long nose pliers then screwed it down.They are a huge improvement
pinhead79
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Post #81 20 May 2020 20:01
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Nice 1 then mate.
Just my luck mine have decided to go missing
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #82 20 May 2020 20:18
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I would check with your neighbours
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #83 20 May 2020 21:12
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Mine just got posted through the letter box so seems odd
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #84 20 May 2020 21:20
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Mine were in a little brown jiffy envelope
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #85 21 May 2020 07:41
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Selling the ice washers on classifieds if anyone interested. I'm not going to use them
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #86 23 May 2020 16:04
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Bump for Chuffy,post number 21 is the link
Chuffy Chuffy
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Post #87 23 May 2020 16:06
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Thanks Tony, got it
pinhead79
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Post #88 25 May 2020 14:05
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Got round to doing mine today, like you say went on nice and easy and definitely seem a lot more positive.
Is it just me? Or were you guys expecting the spring to be a more heavy duty 1?
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #89 25 May 2020 15:40
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The wire part does still seem quite thin,I think they will be fine though
woody71
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Post #90 25 May 2020 18:04
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Has anyone tried fitting them to a 5500 size reel yet? i tried one in one of my spools last night certainly an improvement on noise but when i go to turn spool opposite way ie to put a bit of line back on the spool, the spool goes very tight momentarily then frees off, then tight again initially when removing line again.

Its as if the actuator part is slightly too long and bottoming out on the nylon ring when spool is changing direction
Goose Goose
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Post #91 25 May 2020 19:38
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Stronger wire would probably put more pressure on the pawl and wear the plastic cog on the spool out.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #92 25 May 2020 20:46
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CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #93 26 May 2020 11:19
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if you compare closely the two springs i reckon the newer one has to be 25-50% thick gauge.
woody71
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Post #94 26 May 2020 14:19
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I measured the ones on mine the old ones were 0.3mm the new ones 0.4mm so 33% increase in wire thickness
pinhead79
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Post #95 26 May 2020 14:58
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Brilliant stuff👍
There definitely more positive thsts for sure. Hopefully that's the problem solved.
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #96 26 May 2020 15:28
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Not a bad guess then
woody71
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Post #97 26 May 2020 15:43
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Its not just the spring that helps as i tried the new spring with the old pointed clicker and it was no different, the clicker that comes with the spring is a different shape and profile so has more contact area with nylon gear ring.

The reels i put them on were the 5500 size and i do think the new clicker part is slightly too long for them, it will work fine until i want to turn the spool backwards to put a bit of line back on the reel then the spool goes tight which requires a bit more force to push past and the same when going back to normal. The clicker part is bottoming out in the nylon gear ring if that makes sense?

It may not be an issue for some but i just took a bit off the end of the clicker with an emery disc
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #98 26 May 2020 16:36
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Felindres do ones that are similar that fit the 5500
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164152705212
woody71
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Post #99 26 May 2020 17:42
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I had a saga with some of those as well, I cant be sure that the part number is exactly the same as the ones i got from felindre that look exactly like that but they wouldn't work on my later ci4 xtb's

They were the same as the ones on the first ci4 xtb's which they do work on, i still have some of the early ci4 spare spools, the difference between the spools is that the later ci4 spools have a small mount which the clicker screws to like the ones in the pics below that roman put up, however the early ci4's don't have it which makes the clicker sit lower on these.

When i fitted them to the later ci4 spools on the mount they sat higher and missed the nylon gear altogether.

CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #100 31 May 2020 08:55
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Used these yesterday for a long day session 5am till 11pm , casting to an island consistently all day after fish etc, clipping up. They got a decent first test and I'm very impressed with them. Even didnt mind the speed of the drag
As a comparison my mate has ultegra 5500 xtd and I had a go and the comparison is clear as day
pinhead79
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Post #101 31 May 2020 11:11
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I can back up that as well mate, used mine this week on a 2 night session. The upgrade is a massive improvement, a lot more positive 👍 so a nice cheap fix.
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #102 31 May 2020 15:55
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I was expecting line behind the spool I have to admit but nothing at all
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #103 31 May 2020 16:27
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I'm out this week with mine if can get on the water I want to go.If not it will be down a smaller water with my 10fters.The feedback so far sounds positive though 👍
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #104 31 May 2020 16:33
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Also my original post about the noise seemed to disappear aswell . Maybe the tension of using them in practice helps alleviate that a bit
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #105 31 May 2020 16:46
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Have we found a reel we might stick with
CityKoi CityKoi
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Post #106 31 May 2020 18:33
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Doubt it got my black emblems coming
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #107 31 May 2020 19:15
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