Hello all.
Post lockdown I'm considering a pre baiting campaign on a 10 acre lake with a very low stock of carp.
My only concern is my bait being smashed by the big head of bream and tench that run to about 5lb.
I'm thinking of a boilie only approach with 20mm baits. Any advice welcome.
Thanks in advance!
Post lockdown I'm considering a pre baiting campaign on a 10 acre lake with a very low stock of carp.
My only concern is my bait being smashed by the big head of bream and tench that run to about 5lb.
I'm thinking of a boilie only approach with 20mm baits. Any advice welcome.
Thanks in advance!
In reply to Post #1
So many variables Jamie and ways of doing it. How many carp do you think/know is in there? Busy or not? Type of lake? How often can you bait per week & amounts, etc etc.
So many variables Jamie and ways of doing it. How many carp do you think/know is in there? Busy or not? Type of lake? How often can you bait per week & amounts, etc etc.
In reply to Post #2
Thanks for the reply. Yeah I realise its a bit of a minefield where to start! The carp stock is unknown, its not a busy lake and the carp are rarely fished for. I can visit most days as at is on my work route.
Thanks for the reply. Yeah I realise its a bit of a minefield where to start! The carp stock is unknown, its not a busy lake and the carp are rarely fished for. I can visit most days as at is on my work route.
I'd start off with a few buckets of particle mix/maize/pigeon mix etc, then add whatever baits you think are bream proof, 20+ mm etc
In reply to Post #3
In that case I'd take a small bag of boilies and catapult and if I see a carp show I'd fire 20 or so baits to the spot, write down and line it up. Keep doing that only if I see carp, if your visiting most days a picture will start to emerge and you can be fairly sure you have got your bait to carp a number of times.
Any repeat shows and have a little lead about the area, any spots in close and a few Tiger nuts/Maize to see what happens.
Sounds lovely.
In that case I'd take a small bag of boilies and catapult and if I see a carp show I'd fire 20 or so baits to the spot, write down and line it up. Keep doing that only if I see carp, if your visiting most days a picture will start to emerge and you can be fairly sure you have got your bait to carp a number of times.
Any repeat shows and have a little lead about the area, any spots in close and a few Tiger nuts/Maize to see what happens.
Sounds lovely.
In reply to Post #1
Observation, leading, maybe choose 2 main ares to bait, but also spread your chosen bait around spots that thay also visit, keep open mind and don't tell a soul
Observation, leading, maybe choose 2 main ares to bait, but also spread your chosen bait around spots that thay also visit, keep open mind and don't tell a soul
try and bait same time every visit, and do it at a time you will be able to fish from as well. This is a tactic I use for stalking and it works well, good luck
In reply to Post #1
I spent last year baiting a water full of tench and bream. I used them to clear spots by introducing shed loads of Vitalin. Then switched to boiled baits and nuts. Worked a treat, a classic tactic.
Nothing will stop the bream/tench 100% but this approach had a huge impact on the numbers I was catching.
I spent last year baiting a water full of tench and bream. I used them to clear spots by introducing shed loads of Vitalin. Then switched to boiled baits and nuts. Worked a treat, a classic tactic.
Nothing will stop the bream/tench 100% but this approach had a huge impact on the numbers I was catching.
In reply to Post #1
You can go heavy with maize, pigeon conditioner, groats etc as its cheap as chips - Yes it will be eaten by bream and tench but this isn't a bad thing - it will clear your spot, and the carp will soon turn up. I usually add a kilo of boilie to whatever amount of particle I'm pre-baitng with - I usually do a full bucket 2-3 times a week - more regularly if they're obviously having it
When I fish i'll use as much of a nuisance proof hookbait presentation as possible - Personally I like a big pop up on a stiff hinge rig - and I'll bait with only boilie during the time I'm fishing
Don't get me wrong you'll still catch the nuisance species but it will be reduced - but keep at it and the carp will turn up if theyre there.
I found pre-baiting in shallower areas this time of year was what produced - then deeper areas later in the year. (by shallow i'd still be looking for 5-6 ft minimum to avoid the birds)
You can go heavy with maize, pigeon conditioner, groats etc as its cheap as chips - Yes it will be eaten by bream and tench but this isn't a bad thing - it will clear your spot, and the carp will soon turn up. I usually add a kilo of boilie to whatever amount of particle I'm pre-baitng with - I usually do a full bucket 2-3 times a week - more regularly if they're obviously having it
When I fish i'll use as much of a nuisance proof hookbait presentation as possible - Personally I like a big pop up on a stiff hinge rig - and I'll bait with only boilie during the time I'm fishing
Don't get me wrong you'll still catch the nuisance species but it will be reduced - but keep at it and the carp will turn up if theyre there.
I found pre-baiting in shallower areas this time of year was what produced - then deeper areas later in the year. (by shallow i'd still be looking for 5-6 ft minimum to avoid the birds)
In reply to Post #1
Find them first!! It's not ideal to just stove a load of bait in if all the stock is spending the summer sat in the natural stuffed weed up the the other end. Bait won't often move them, especially on a low stocked pit.
Fish a few exploratory nights and make sure you look hard at peak times. Stop in before work if possible. Once you have a good idea of the areas they're using, find yourself a spot (if there aren't any, the carp/tench/bream should make them) THEN start baiting, as consistently as possible. I'd start with decent hits of seed etc to get spots cleaned then make the switch to boilie once you are confident the carp are visiting.
I've come to realise more and more that it is probably the biggest edge imaginable, if done right. The problem is finding somewhere to do it... on the basis of how busy most waters are, and while retaining any form of etiquette.
Find them first!! It's not ideal to just stove a load of bait in if all the stock is spending the summer sat in the natural stuffed weed up the the other end. Bait won't often move them, especially on a low stocked pit.
Fish a few exploratory nights and make sure you look hard at peak times. Stop in before work if possible. Once you have a good idea of the areas they're using, find yourself a spot (if there aren't any, the carp/tench/bream should make them) THEN start baiting, as consistently as possible. I'd start with decent hits of seed etc to get spots cleaned then make the switch to boilie once you are confident the carp are visiting.
I've come to realise more and more that it is probably the biggest edge imaginable, if done right. The problem is finding somewhere to do it... on the basis of how busy most waters are, and while retaining any form of etiquette.
In reply to Post #1
Look for some margin spots either end of the lake. Stickler some boilies in and keep eyes out and bait carp shows.
Look for some margin spots either end of the lake. Stickler some boilies in and keep eyes out and bait carp shows.
In reply to Post #1
I don't know what you consider pre baiting and what an effort you are willing to do. But the most ideal approach is:
Providing a huge number of bait every day.
Each day you can pre bait 10kg.
After a couple of months your bait will be considered as natural feed.
When you go fishing, observe and roam the spots
I don't know what you consider pre baiting and what an effort you are willing to do. But the most ideal approach is:
Providing a huge number of bait every day.
Each day you can pre bait 10kg.
After a couple of months your bait will be considered as natural feed.
When you go fishing, observe and roam the spots
In reply to Post #12
Are u serious
Are u serious
In reply to Post #13
Yes.
I think this is the difference between the mainland and the UK.
We do this kind of stuff and it works very well.
It is an amazing tactic to tear a lake apart.
It will go nuts...
You only need time and a bit more money.
You can also pre bait each other day.
That's in the end 30kg a week. I also adjust the amount of bait during the season. In spring this is only 5kg while during summer and autumn this could be easily 10kg.
To give you an idea... Last year I've rolled more or 400kg of boilies and used 75kg of tigers, 75kg of maize and some wheat.
Yes.
I think this is the difference between the mainland and the UK.
We do this kind of stuff and it works very well.
It is an amazing tactic to tear a lake apart.
It will go nuts...
You only need time and a bit more money.
You can also pre bait each other day.
That's in the end 30kg a week. I also adjust the amount of bait during the season. In spring this is only 5kg while during summer and autumn this could be easily 10kg.
To give you an idea... Last year I've rolled more or 400kg of boilies and used 75kg of tigers, 75kg of maize and some wheat.
In reply to Post #14
You make it sound like you people on the "mainland" (I found that insulting and funny 🤔
Have invented a new tactic , there's nothing new in mass baiting , hutchy was doing it 50 odd years ago ,
The only reason it isn't done much here anymore , pressure ,far to many people fishing , far to many people ready to jump in your primed swim , wittingly or unwittingly .
You make it sound like you people on the "mainland" (I found that insulting and funny 🤔
Have invented a new tactic , there's nothing new in mass baiting , hutchy was doing it 50 odd years ago ,
The only reason it isn't done much here anymore , pressure ,far to many people fishing , far to many people ready to jump in your primed swim , wittingly or unwittingly .
In reply to Post #14
IF done right agree can be brilliant, but nothing is easy, on a small lake 10 acres and low stock, 50 baits a day done right would work, enybody can chuck bait in, just got to get it right.
IF done right agree can be brilliant, but nothing is easy, on a small lake 10 acres and low stock, 50 baits a day done right would work, enybody can chuck bait in, just got to get it right.
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