I am thinking of using a combination of essential oils, in conjunction with one liquid flavouring, to coat/ soak into some unflavoured PJPU's this winter. The thing is I know how pokey they are and dont want to completely overdo it...whilst at the same time giving the baits a decent coating.
Any ideas? Thinking of taking 5ml of liquid flavouring and then adding drops of the EO? This will give a larger volume of 'glug' for the baits, rather than just a few drops of neat EO's....any suggestions?
Any ideas? Thinking of taking 5ml of liquid flavouring and then adding drops of the EO? This will give a larger volume of 'glug' for the baits, rather than just a few drops of neat EO's....any suggestions?
In reply to Post #1
maybe look for a couple of tried / tested ? A lot of older nutrabaits recipes had flav / oil combo's. e.g.
Strawberry & bergamot
peach and black pepper
Personally id go low level n-butyric with John baker plum. Will need thinning / diluting. Give John a call for his advice.
maybe look for a couple of tried / tested ? A lot of older nutrabaits recipes had flav / oil combo's. e.g.
Strawberry & bergamot
peach and black pepper
Personally id go low level n-butyric with John baker plum. Will need thinning / diluting. Give John a call for his advice.
In reply to Post #1
I posed a similar question a while back, which from memory, went off topic into the realms of “Carp can't detect oils/Oils in carp baits still work though”.
I raised the question because I remembered from an old Carp Bait video by Tim Paisley and some of the Nutrabaits guys, that at the end of the video when he interviewed Derek Stritton, Tim was using a bait that was heavily soaked in a combination of Black Pepper Essential Oil and Asafoetida Essential Oil. I was trying to find out if he might of been using this neat or like in Tim's book From the bivvy, he was using another oil as a base (in this case he used Soya oil to which he added his garlic mint EO blend and fished it @ 5mils/lb of bait but he neglected to mention the exact combination. I assume that this was because it went onto become the Nutrabaits UTCS Garlic mint).
Also in this book he mentions the recipe for what became the Nutrabaits UTCS Fruity special. He mentions that you can glug hook baits in this but he doesn't use any freebies as he reckoned that it was a bit over the top. The recipe is as follows:
Per lb of bait or as a glug as above
10mils Fish feed oil (no idea what this is)
10mils Nutramino
3mils Blackcurrant flavour (I assume he was using Nutrabaits)
2mils Tutti Frutti (Try Esterblend 12!) nb. In another book, (‘to catch a carp'I think) Tim tells the story of how he won the first Horseshoe lake match. He wrote that he knew Bob Bakers (Richworth) would be using their Tutti Frutti boilies, so he he got a bottle of their flavour and made an attractor blend using it which went on to become Nutrabaits UTCS Frutti Special as mentioned above.
1mil protaste (no idea what this is)
3mils Molasses
5drps Cassia Terpenes EO
3drps Fennel Oil EO
As for other EO combinations, the following are some of the blends that I know of. However these are all added to the bait at the mixing stage and not as a direct glug. I mention this simply as a guide. You might need to do a bit of experimenting - say a couple of baits in a pot with the neat flavour/EO combo, and then some in a more diluted form. I hope the following helps:
Per Lb of base mix unless sated otherwise:
10-12 drops Black pepper EO/ 2drps Asafoetida EO
3mils Tutti Frutti/10 drops Ylang Ylang EO (as per Tim Paisley ‘from the bivvy')
3mils Strawberry/4 drops Bergamont EO
1mil Black pepper EO/ Kg
2 drops Buchu EO/ 4 eggs (as per Frank Warwick)
Blackcurrant/10-12 drops Juniper Berry EO
I'm sure there are more combos out there. The previous poster mentioned JB Plum/n-butyric, you could also try JB Plum/Caprioic. Suggested dosage is 1mil Caprioic/500g base mix.
I posed a similar question a while back, which from memory, went off topic into the realms of “Carp can't detect oils/Oils in carp baits still work though”.
I raised the question because I remembered from an old Carp Bait video by Tim Paisley and some of the Nutrabaits guys, that at the end of the video when he interviewed Derek Stritton, Tim was using a bait that was heavily soaked in a combination of Black Pepper Essential Oil and Asafoetida Essential Oil. I was trying to find out if he might of been using this neat or like in Tim's book From the bivvy, he was using another oil as a base (in this case he used Soya oil to which he added his garlic mint EO blend and fished it @ 5mils/lb of bait but he neglected to mention the exact combination. I assume that this was because it went onto become the Nutrabaits UTCS Garlic mint).
Also in this book he mentions the recipe for what became the Nutrabaits UTCS Fruity special. He mentions that you can glug hook baits in this but he doesn't use any freebies as he reckoned that it was a bit over the top. The recipe is as follows:
Per lb of bait or as a glug as above
10mils Fish feed oil (no idea what this is)
10mils Nutramino
3mils Blackcurrant flavour (I assume he was using Nutrabaits)
2mils Tutti Frutti (Try Esterblend 12!) nb. In another book, (‘to catch a carp'I think) Tim tells the story of how he won the first Horseshoe lake match. He wrote that he knew Bob Bakers (Richworth) would be using their Tutti Frutti boilies, so he he got a bottle of their flavour and made an attractor blend using it which went on to become Nutrabaits UTCS Frutti Special as mentioned above.
1mil protaste (no idea what this is)
3mils Molasses
5drps Cassia Terpenes EO
3drps Fennel Oil EO
As for other EO combinations, the following are some of the blends that I know of. However these are all added to the bait at the mixing stage and not as a direct glug. I mention this simply as a guide. You might need to do a bit of experimenting - say a couple of baits in a pot with the neat flavour/EO combo, and then some in a more diluted form. I hope the following helps:
Per Lb of base mix unless sated otherwise:
10-12 drops Black pepper EO/ 2drps Asafoetida EO
3mils Tutti Frutti/10 drops Ylang Ylang EO (as per Tim Paisley ‘from the bivvy')
3mils Strawberry/4 drops Bergamont EO
1mil Black pepper EO/ Kg
2 drops Buchu EO/ 4 eggs (as per Frank Warwick)
Blackcurrant/10-12 drops Juniper Berry EO
I'm sure there are more combos out there. The previous poster mentioned JB Plum/n-butyric, you could also try JB Plum/Caprioic. Suggested dosage is 1mil Caprioic/500g base mix.
In reply to Post #3
In the old days Tim used the garlic hoffels pearls but then switched to a garlic oil/soya oil mix of 100ml of soya oil to 10 drops of garlic oil. Shake and mix in a bottle then add 5ml of this liquid as this equates to 1/2 a drop pf garlic eo. I'm guessing this was the base for Nutrabaits Garlic Mint.
"Protaste" is/was a liquid sweetener made by Hutchy or Nash.
In the old days Tim used the garlic hoffels pearls but then switched to a garlic oil/soya oil mix of 100ml of soya oil to 10 drops of garlic oil. Shake and mix in a bottle then add 5ml of this liquid as this equates to 1/2 a drop pf garlic eo. I'm guessing this was the base for Nutrabaits Garlic Mint.
"Protaste" is/was a liquid sweetener made by Hutchy or Nash.
In reply to Post #3
Also in this book he mentions the recipe for what became the Nutrabaits UTCS Fruity special. He mentions that you can glug hook baits in this but he doesn't use any freebies as he reckoned that it was a bit over the top. The recipe is as follows:
Per lb of bait or as a glug as above
10mils Fish feed oil (no idea what this is)
10mils Nutramino
3mils Blackcurrant flavour (I assume he was using Nutrabaits)
2mils Tutti Frutti (Try Esterblend 12!) nb. In another book, (‘to catch a carp'I think) Tim tells the story of how he won the first Horseshoe lake match. He wrote that he knew Bob Bakers (Richworth) would be using their Tutti Frutti boilies, so he he got a bottle of their flavour and made an attractor blend using it which went on to become Nutrabaits UTCS Frutti Special as mentioned above.
You mention in the first part of your post quoted above that the recipe below became the UTCS Fruit Special but in the paragraph under the recipe you say the the recipe is the UTCS Tutti Frutti Special?
Also in this book he mentions the recipe for what became the Nutrabaits UTCS Fruity special. He mentions that you can glug hook baits in this but he doesn't use any freebies as he reckoned that it was a bit over the top. The recipe is as follows:
Per lb of bait or as a glug as above
10mils Fish feed oil (no idea what this is)
10mils Nutramino
3mils Blackcurrant flavour (I assume he was using Nutrabaits)
2mils Tutti Frutti (Try Esterblend 12!) nb. In another book, (‘to catch a carp'I think) Tim tells the story of how he won the first Horseshoe lake match. He wrote that he knew Bob Bakers (Richworth) would be using their Tutti Frutti boilies, so he he got a bottle of their flavour and made an attractor blend using it which went on to become Nutrabaits UTCS Frutti Special as mentioned above.
You mention in the first part of your post quoted above that the recipe below became the UTCS Fruit Special but in the paragraph under the recipe you say the the recipe is the UTCS Tutti Frutti Special?
In reply to Post #4
Protaste is Talin based
Protaste is Talin based
In reply to Post #5
Sorry for the confusion! Hopefully this will clear it up. The recipe is as quoted from Tim's first “From the bivvy” book. He calls it his fruity special. He makes no reference to which brand of the Tutti Frutti flavour he used other then in brackets try esterblend 12. To quote from the book “..I started fishing a banker attractor mix which I know will catch summer and winter from almost anywhere. This is the Fruity Special which I used when I won the Horseshoe match...”
In Tim's to catch a carp, he mentions the same horseshoe match in which he won using (which I'm assuming) the same blend. I will quote directly from the book:
“..I will give you an example of the thinking behind the bait I used to win the first Horshoe match in 1991, and I don't think I've revealed this before.
Bob Baker of Richworth had a couple of teams in the match, Bob being one of the anglers. Rightly or wrongly I guessed they would fish Richworth Tutti Fruttis as at least one of their baits. Tutti Fruttis are considered by many to be one of the most instant baits available. So I went and got a bottle of Richworth double strength Tutti Frutti flavour, made up a special attractor blend which including it, added it to a nutritional base, and included a taste additive. I figured most of the anglers fishing would consider ready-mades to be ideal for a two-day match, which they proved to be. Tuttis caught throughout the weekend, as did my bait. I don't know how significant the nutritional base of my bait was, but I caught a higher individual weight than any of the other teams.
After the match, I substituted the Nutrabaits Tutti-Frutti for the Richworth one and gave the recipe to Bill Cottam and Richard Skidmore of Nutrabaits. The mix is now their very successful Fruit Special.”
So his first version contained Richworth Tutti flavour, the second Nutrabaits Tutti, and a suggested third using Solar's E12.
Hope this helps and clears up the confusion!
Sorry for the confusion! Hopefully this will clear it up. The recipe is as quoted from Tim's first “From the bivvy” book. He calls it his fruity special. He makes no reference to which brand of the Tutti Frutti flavour he used other then in brackets try esterblend 12. To quote from the book “..I started fishing a banker attractor mix which I know will catch summer and winter from almost anywhere. This is the Fruity Special which I used when I won the Horseshoe match...”
In Tim's to catch a carp, he mentions the same horseshoe match in which he won using (which I'm assuming) the same blend. I will quote directly from the book:
“..I will give you an example of the thinking behind the bait I used to win the first Horshoe match in 1991, and I don't think I've revealed this before.
Bob Baker of Richworth had a couple of teams in the match, Bob being one of the anglers. Rightly or wrongly I guessed they would fish Richworth Tutti Fruttis as at least one of their baits. Tutti Fruttis are considered by many to be one of the most instant baits available. So I went and got a bottle of Richworth double strength Tutti Frutti flavour, made up a special attractor blend which including it, added it to a nutritional base, and included a taste additive. I figured most of the anglers fishing would consider ready-mades to be ideal for a two-day match, which they proved to be. Tuttis caught throughout the weekend, as did my bait. I don't know how significant the nutritional base of my bait was, but I caught a higher individual weight than any of the other teams.
After the match, I substituted the Nutrabaits Tutti-Frutti for the Richworth one and gave the recipe to Bill Cottam and Richard Skidmore of Nutrabaits. The mix is now their very successful Fruit Special.”
So his first version contained Richworth Tutti flavour, the second Nutrabaits Tutti, and a suggested third using Solar's E12.
Hope this helps and clears up the confusion!
In reply to Post #7
Thank you. Really appreciate that!
Thank you. Really appreciate that!
In reply to Post #7
That went through lengthy and extensive field testing then.....
That went through lengthy and extensive field testing then.....
In reply to Post #9
In reply to Post #1
You could try using a carrier like hemp oil mixed with the essential oils. Probably wouldn't mix well with ea based flavours though. Maybe adding an emulsifier would help it combine with the ea based flavourings. The easiest way of mixing them would be to roll your own hook baits and add them to the mix.
You could try using a carrier like hemp oil mixed with the essential oils. Probably wouldn't mix well with ea based flavours though. Maybe adding an emulsifier would help it combine with the ea based flavourings. The easiest way of mixing them would be to roll your own hook baits and add them to the mix.
In reply to Post #11
Forget about Essential oils a carp cannot detect them.
Forget about Essential oils a carp cannot detect them.
In reply to Post #12
Are you sure about that?
Are you sure about that?
In reply to Post #13
Yes read loebs report.
Yes read loebs report.
In reply to Post #12
Ok I'll bite. Why can't carp detect Essential Oils?
Ok I'll bite. Why can't carp detect Essential Oils?
In reply to Post #15
Please don't bite. It will just encourage him. The guys a weapon.
Please don't bite. It will just encourage him. The guys a weapon.
In reply to Post #16
Foolish I know, and the EO's attract/no they don't debate has been done to death. But I'm genuinely interested in people's opinions- whether they be informed or ill informed. A troll needs love too! 😉
Foolish I know, and the EO's attract/no they don't debate has been done to death. But I'm genuinely interested in people's opinions- whether they be informed or ill informed. A troll needs love too! 😉
In reply to Post #14
Have you read/understood Loebs paper? I'd be interested in your interpretation of some of the findings on oil, as they seem to contradict some of your posting on the subject.
Have you read/understood Loebs paper? I'd be interested in your interpretation of some of the findings on oil, as they seem to contradict some of your posting on the subject.
Aromatherapy Revised and Expanded
Aromatherapy is one of the fastest rising industries in the country. With the fad of new age activities like yoga on the upswing, it seems that aromatherapy is here to stay for the next couple of years.
In fact, it is one of the most popular practices in terms of holistic and alternative medicine.
It is being used everywhere, from clinics and hospitals for their pain relief treatment especially during labor and with chemotherapy to the rehabilitation of patients who have heart ailments, from the alleviation of stress and the relaxation of muscles in day spas to the beauty and cosmetic products being made. You name it and aromatherapy has influenced it one way or the other.
But besides candles and lotions and scents, which define aromatherapy to a T, what is it all about and what can it give us?
Aromatherapy is the practice of using oils from plant extracts for medicinal, relaxation, and aromatic purposes. These oils are called essential oils, which are used and combined with other ingredients to produce perfumes, lotions, and other beauty, skincare, and hair care products.
In fact, all the products with your favorite plant scent such as Rose, Lavender, and Chamomile are results of the practice of aromatherapy. It is said that aromatherapy can also improve one's mood, lightening it up, and easing the stress. This is perhaps why the technique is also used in massage parlors and spas to relax customers.
The use of essential oils is a practice that has been going on for centuries. It all started with the Greeks, who invented the crude way of distilling. The process of distillation was then used to extract the oils from the plants.
Next to adopt the practice are the Egyptians, which incorporated it into their traditions and customs. Plant oils are used in their various religious set-ups and even in the burying of their dead. In fact, archaeologists who dug up tombs in Egypt have found plant extracts and remains with embalmed bodies. It was also the Egyptians, who first used the plant extracts for cosmetic and aromatic purposes.
Next in line were the Romans, who discovered the use of essential oils as medicine. Hippocrates, the father of medicine, has been known to use plant oils in his medical work back in his time.
It was only in the 1920s that the practice got the name “aromatherapy” which was invented by René Maurice Gattefossé, a French chemist, who used the process in his own work. Unknown to many, aromatherapy has a lot of branches.
One of those branches is Home Therapy, which deals with the use of the practice for self-treatment as well as in the use of it in making perfumes and cosmetics. It is also used in medical practice and this branch is called clinical aromatherapy. Lastly, the branch that deals with the use of aromatherapy in the psychology of odors and their effects on people is called Aromachology.
One of the best-known scents in aromatherapy is lavender, which people can actually find on every product label in groceries and in beauty stores.
Unknown to many, lavender can also be used in the treatment of wounds as well as in the enhancement of memory. It can also be used as a sleeping aid as it helps relieve anxiety and insomnia.
In addition to lavender, other really popular aromatherapy products are those with the scents of Rose, Eucalyptus, Bergamot, Cinnamon, Rosemary, and of course Jasmine.
Benefits of Aromatherapy:
Aromatherapy, like all new age practices, is riding on to successville. Everyone wants to try some yoga or have a massage with scents that will relax not only your body but also your soul.
But along with its increasing popularity is the increasing number of questions about the process. What is it about? What makes it work? Is it safe?Aromatherapy Revised | Benefits of Aromatherapy | www.thedailytrails.com Does it really calm the nerves and relax the muscles?
Aromatherapy is the practice or use of oil extracts from plants for their medicinal and aromatic benefits in order to improve psychological, spiritual, and physical wellbeing. True aromatherapy does not include the use of oils that are only used for fragrance. These are considered unnatural products because they have been tampered with already in the laboratories.
Most think that aromatherapy is a new discovery but the truth is, the practice of using essential oils for medicinal and aromatic purposes has been going on for centuries. It started with the Greeks and the Egyptians, who used a crude distillation process to extract oils from the plants and flowers in the area.
One o the primary benefits of aromatherapy is in the improvement of a person's psychological and mental state. Aromatherapy, they claim, can help relax the mind and get rid of the everyday stress that people suffer from. It can lighten the mood and alleviate stress symptoms such as feelings of depression, heaviness, and sadness. Of course, it cannot cure the actual psychological problem. And if you are thinking along with these terms, you are in for a disappointment. Aromatherapy only helps to alleviate the surface effects of stress but not the underlying causes and psychological problems.
There are also claims that aromatherapy has medicinal purposes and it has but it does not directly cure an illness. It only serves to strengthen the bodies of the person and also calm their fears so that they can better cope with the disease. Aromatherapy can also in easing the feelings of nausea when having an illness. This is especially true for people who are undergoing chemotherapy.
Also, aromatherapy can improve one's immune system, which is a big plus in fighting off diseases and illnesses. Like with the claims with psychological wellbeing, aromatherapy cannot cure a disease. People
Aromatherapy is one of the fastest rising industries in the country. With the fad of new age activities like yoga on the upswing, it seems that aromatherapy is here to stay for the next couple of years.
In fact, it is one of the most popular practices in terms of holistic and alternative medicine.
It is being used everywhere, from clinics and hospitals for their pain relief treatment especially during labor and with chemotherapy to the rehabilitation of patients who have heart ailments, from the alleviation of stress and the relaxation of muscles in day spas to the beauty and cosmetic products being made. You name it and aromatherapy has influenced it one way or the other.
But besides candles and lotions and scents, which define aromatherapy to a T, what is it all about and what can it give us?
Aromatherapy is the practice of using oils from plant extracts for medicinal, relaxation, and aromatic purposes. These oils are called essential oils, which are used and combined with other ingredients to produce perfumes, lotions, and other beauty, skincare, and hair care products.
In fact, all the products with your favorite plant scent such as Rose, Lavender, and Chamomile are results of the practice of aromatherapy. It is said that aromatherapy can also improve one's mood, lightening it up, and easing the stress. This is perhaps why the technique is also used in massage parlors and spas to relax customers.
The use of essential oils is a practice that has been going on for centuries. It all started with the Greeks, who invented the crude way of distilling. The process of distillation was then used to extract the oils from the plants.
Next to adopt the practice are the Egyptians, which incorporated it into their traditions and customs. Plant oils are used in their various religious set-ups and even in the burying of their dead. In fact, archaeologists who dug up tombs in Egypt have found plant extracts and remains with embalmed bodies. It was also the Egyptians, who first used the plant extracts for cosmetic and aromatic purposes.
Next in line were the Romans, who discovered the use of essential oils as medicine. Hippocrates, the father of medicine, has been known to use plant oils in his medical work back in his time.
It was only in the 1920s that the practice got the name “aromatherapy” which was invented by René Maurice Gattefossé, a French chemist, who used the process in his own work. Unknown to many, aromatherapy has a lot of branches.
One of those branches is Home Therapy, which deals with the use of the practice for self-treatment as well as in the use of it in making perfumes and cosmetics. It is also used in medical practice and this branch is called clinical aromatherapy. Lastly, the branch that deals with the use of aromatherapy in the psychology of odors and their effects on people is called Aromachology.
One of the best-known scents in aromatherapy is lavender, which people can actually find on every product label in groceries and in beauty stores.
Unknown to many, lavender can also be used in the treatment of wounds as well as in the enhancement of memory. It can also be used as a sleeping aid as it helps relieve anxiety and insomnia.
In addition to lavender, other really popular aromatherapy products are those with the scents of Rose, Eucalyptus, Bergamot, Cinnamon, Rosemary, and of course Jasmine.
Benefits of Aromatherapy:
Aromatherapy, like all new age practices, is riding on to successville. Everyone wants to try some yoga or have a massage with scents that will relax not only your body but also your soul.
But along with its increasing popularity is the increasing number of questions about the process. What is it about? What makes it work? Is it safe?Aromatherapy Revised | Benefits of Aromatherapy | www.thedailytrails.com Does it really calm the nerves and relax the muscles?
Aromatherapy is the practice or use of oil extracts from plants for their medicinal and aromatic benefits in order to improve psychological, spiritual, and physical wellbeing. True aromatherapy does not include the use of oils that are only used for fragrance. These are considered unnatural products because they have been tampered with already in the laboratories.
Most think that aromatherapy is a new discovery but the truth is, the practice of using essential oils for medicinal and aromatic purposes has been going on for centuries. It started with the Greeks and the Egyptians, who used a crude distillation process to extract oils from the plants and flowers in the area.
One o the primary benefits of aromatherapy is in the improvement of a person's psychological and mental state. Aromatherapy, they claim, can help relax the mind and get rid of the everyday stress that people suffer from. It can lighten the mood and alleviate stress symptoms such as feelings of depression, heaviness, and sadness. Of course, it cannot cure the actual psychological problem. And if you are thinking along with these terms, you are in for a disappointment. Aromatherapy only helps to alleviate the surface effects of stress but not the underlying causes and psychological problems.
There are also claims that aromatherapy has medicinal purposes and it has but it does not directly cure an illness. It only serves to strengthen the bodies of the person and also calm their fears so that they can better cope with the disease. Aromatherapy can also in easing the feelings of nausea when having an illness. This is especially true for people who are undergoing chemotherapy.
Also, aromatherapy can improve one's immune system, which is a big plus in fighting off diseases and illnesses. Like with the claims with psychological wellbeing, aromatherapy cannot cure a disease. People
In reply to Post #19
So, how many drops per egg?
So, how many drops per egg?
In reply to Post #20
In reply to Post #20
Less is more... I would go for 2 max 3 drops
Less is more... I would go for 2 max 3 drops
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