Without question, true wild carp fight the hardest.
I get invited to fish a small well hidden farm pond every so often, and have done for many years. I would never miss an invite because it's so great there. Dark because of the dense tree line.
The carp in there, are slim lengthy common looking but, have a blue tint to them.
They fight incredibly, and pull like a barbel.

Commons, mirrors and leathers, I've never noticed a difference, some battle some don't
Always found shallow water fish seem to fight harder.

Too many variables in the question, lake size' location, does it allow building and dwellings on site. Landlocked or river-stream fed.

I have two lakes that were included in the purchase of a big lump of land including two farms. I paid a premium as I will be able to build to some extent on the land.
Don't know what the lakes were valued at when the price was put together.

Starmer, that's another slippery c***. Wasn't he the bloke that persuaded the police and press' to keep quiet about the asian gang rapping of white teenage girls a few years ago.
Now he's knighted and leader of the communist party. Show the terrible state we're in.

Did man really land on the moon, considering 69 was a year when the van allen belt was at its hottest, and would frazzle anything entering it apparently.
Recently a nasa rep was asked how long would it take to put a man on the moon again, the reply was something like 15 years, yet in 69 it took just a few years since JFK announced they would do it before the decade was over, all operated by computers that had less memory of an early mobile phone.

Was it a distraction from the cold war, or a distraction from the vietnam mess or both.
Many australians claim it was staged in the outback and apparently a few who saw the early transmissions which started from australia' noticed a coke bottle stick out of the moon which later transmissions didn't show.

I spent half my life thinking the landings were real, the rest of my life i just can't see it actually happened.

In reply to Post #729
So to me, your comment and many others i've heard suggests, white people should take their punishment yet not voice their thoughts.
This knee thing is a confusion to me, Floyd died mainly by being knelt on' so doing the knee seems like a piss take to me but, then again none of much makes sense to me now. The white lives matter banner meant nothing to me as i know all lives matter. What about the families of the three white people murdered by a non white at the weekend' wonder what they'd say about the banner, will they now organise a few protests and damage a few statues.

Floyd didn't deserve to die in the way he did' i've said this earlier in the thread. Having now read up a lot on his past' i can't help thinking the world is a better place without his sort, regardless of colour.
When his previous victims read all the attention his death created, i wonder honestly how they feel.

I have a lot of experience of racism in the work place, and it has cost me, so racism is not good for me financially, and probably the rest of the world for various reasons. Most of the racist acts and ironically claim i've witnessed have been non white people.
It will never end, never because before man interfered, we were not designed to all live together, that's why we are all different colours, different cultures and different religions. We are all different colours for a reason.

The only countries that trully have no racism, are where there are no mixing of race or colour, that sort of is the final word, if there's only one race, there's no racism, simple.
I don't know how correct what i've written here is' it's based mainly on what i've read and seen in my businesses.

I have now heard on the radio, at least six black men say the same. By the way, some of my managers are black, and nice people and are good at their jobs. My accountants are Indian, and some jews, my solicitors are south african, and many factory staff are asian, indian, black and eastern european. I, or rather the managers give everybody a chance and the same treatment no matter what colour or race. Yet they cannot get on for any period of tine.
A smaller company we have, is just white people, that's not by choice it's in an area of little or no racial minority.
Another assembly factory is all Pakistanis, never had an issue there either. So there is some merit in the don't mix, and there'll be no problem theory.

I am actually fed up with it from both sides, i want to enjoy retirement but it's hard with all this going on. Why can't people be happy to be alive, and make the most of things.

I have stepped in a few times when my black employees have attacked a Bangladeshi worker or vice versa. I was called a racist by the black chap, even though my company paid him sick leave previously' which he was not entitled to.

We dont know if the floyd murder was racist but, the chap didn't deserve to di that way. Racism is rife here and in many countries especially america and lets not forget south africa. Saying that racism gets called a lot, and nearly alway by ethnic minority. Is that because they bleat about it more, or are they subject to more racism than whites. I can tell you for fact, white people are regularly racially abused, yet seem to laugh it off.
Is that the british humour' or they cant be bothered to take it further I wonder.

Look at Lee Rigby' i never thought i'd see the day, when a british soldier would be hacked and beheaded in broad daylight in central london. He wasn't murdered because of race, he was murdered because he was a soldier.
They didn't even put a memorial up for him. So for those who say if it had been a white man, there would be uproar' its not always the case.

If you could see what i've seen with racism, you might also agree it will never go away.
At meal times in one factory, the whites all sit together, the asians sit together and the blacks sit together.
As soon as they are integrated, the trouble starts. On a bigger scale, thats what happen in every day life in countries. The majority do not want to mix, a minority maybe' but the majority will not, because of culture and religion.
These are the issues that will never go away, or put another way racism.

I don't think the police officer who was kneeling on floyds neck, woke up thinking of murder but, during the ordeal' he was seen kneeling down harder, even after bystanders told him that floyd was dying. Even a paramedic lost his temper with said policeman when he arrived on the scene.

The police kept telling floyd to get up and get in the car, even though three of them were on top of him. Floyd was also motionless without a pulse for the last 3 mins of the restraint. One of those *******s must have realised he wasn't breathing.
The policeman who knelt on floyds neck has a very shadey past in the force, and probably should have been fired way back.
His colleague, the one who looks chinese or mixed chinese race, also has a similar record in the force.

There was no need for such restraint, floyd fell or dived to the floor as some police claim but' he was not struggling or being violent.
The officer who did the kneeling and floyd served different shifts as security, maybe they have history, and the policeman took action against floyd while he had backup instead of facing him alone.
Whatever the reason, the man, black, brown, yellow, pink or white' did not deserve to die in that way.
I read yesterday, that the neck restraint method has caused at least 40 incidents where suspects have passed out, and other medical issues have taken place during restraint. Why didn't they taser him instead.

I hope all the police involved get what they deserve.

What happened with George Floyd, is first degree murder' simple as that.
The ******* kneeling on his neck should go through a full murder trial, with a mixed race jury and bench. He has lots of history with warnings, mainly violence and abuse. Even the paramedics were disgusted with him and chums.

I was listening to LBC this afternoon' and a black chap phoned in telling his story. He said when he was young he never experienced racism for years, until he started work, and boom he was quickly aware of it. Snide comments offered with a giggle, exclusion' and gradually it was more obvious.
He became very good in his field, and is now late 40's wealthy and leads a good life but' the racism is still there probably worse than ever. He went onto say, that the uk is not equipped socially or mentally toward ethnic groups.
He suggested that blacks, asians etc, should live in countries with their own kind, even british born ethnics.
He was questioned why, and he said because this country offers great education and healthcare but' the racism is as bad, if not worse than ever.
He said, in his opinion, racism will never go away, ever!

I said the same in a post a while back, and was accused of bigotry and racism, by Mal and his mate.
I would like to see racism gone because of the money it has cost me. I really can't see it happen though, and especially in America, it is more blatant there now than ever.

It works both ways to' a jamaican women is claiming corona virus was man made to eradicate blacks and other ethnic races.
One thing is for sure though, the copper that murdered floyd should pay the price, nobody deserves that, even over a suspected fake bank note.

thank you all for the replies, i will get some ordered.
never thought i'd see it again

probably a long shot but' does anybody know where i can get some proper fenugreek oil. not the watery stuff, or the seeds or powder though.
i was given a decent sized bottle of it a very long time ago, and eventually used it up. it lasted many years though.
it certainly seemed to give me an edge in my fishing.
somebody suggested trying a chemist but' i drew blanks asking. a well know bait company got me small bottle but' it wasn't like the original, and seemed like it was thinned down.