to me it looks like the biggest act of self harm we have ever inflicted on ourselves
In reply to Post #46
It undoubtedly is.
It undoubtedly is.
In reply to Post #46
It was always going to be poo for the first few years, even people who voted leave know and accept this. It's far too early to see the bigger picture yet, nomatter what the people who wanted to remain say
It was always going to be poo for the first few years, even people who voted leave know and accept this. It's far too early to see the bigger picture yet, nomatter what the people who wanted to remain say
In reply to Post #49
Is "the bigger picture" a plan we're working to but a closely guarded secret or a guess like Mogg's?
Is "the bigger picture" a plan we're working to but a closely guarded secret or a guess like Mogg's?
In reply to Post #50
You are hell-bent on this failing. Wishing it to happen. So nomatter what anyone says you'll take issue. This will take years to pan out properly ,so we will see then
You are hell-bent on this failing. Wishing it to happen. So nomatter what anyone says you'll take issue. This will take years to pan out properly ,so we will see then
In reply to Post #51
Agreed and I'm not locking horns over it as someone put it.
Nothing much has changed for me, I got far bigger problems in my life than Brexit.
Agreed and I'm not locking horns over it as someone put it.
Nothing much has changed for me, I got far bigger problems in my life than Brexit.
In reply to Post #49
Who?? None of the brexit cheerleaders said that 6 years ago. Remember those sunlit uplands, all the upsides, no one talking about leaving the single market, easiest deal in the world. I could go on.
The big picture is this. It was **** then, it's **** now and it will be **** in the future.
Denial is more than a river.
T
Who?? None of the brexit cheerleaders said that 6 years ago. Remember those sunlit uplands, all the upsides, no one talking about leaving the single market, easiest deal in the world. I could go on.
The big picture is this. It was **** then, it's **** now and it will be **** in the future.
Denial is more than a river.
T
In reply to Post #53
You're another one who is wishing it to fail and is gloating about the current climate like it's the end product, and solely down to Brexit. It's boring now
And yes, people were saying it will take a long time to see the results properly. You are just choosing not to remember that
You're another one who is wishing it to fail and is gloating about the current climate like it's the end product, and solely down to Brexit. It's boring now
And yes, people were saying it will take a long time to see the results properly. You are just choosing not to remember that
In reply to Post #51
Mate I'm a democrat, so although I didn't vote for what we have I accept it and want it to be a winner.
There were many types of deal to be done and still are. Yorping away through a megaphone across the channel that it's all your fault is a numbskulls approach to solving problems and needs to end.
Few people who ever bought a pig in a poke admit it but a reality check is needed and another approach with the EU needs sorting by statesmanship.
Not burying your head in the sand cause at some point fook knows when it'll be fine.
Mate I'm a democrat, so although I didn't vote for what we have I accept it and want it to be a winner.
There were many types of deal to be done and still are. Yorping away through a megaphone across the channel that it's all your fault is a numbskulls approach to solving problems and needs to end.
Few people who ever bought a pig in a poke admit it but a reality check is needed and another approach with the EU needs sorting by statesmanship.
Not burying your head in the sand cause at some point fook knows when it'll be fine.
In reply to Post #55
Really? Because that isn't how you come across at all. These things take time ,and given the events of the last couple of years aswell as the current situation on the continent it's going to take longer than most people probably thought.
Really? Because that isn't how you come across at all. These things take time ,and given the events of the last couple of years aswell as the current situation on the continent it's going to take longer than most people probably thought.
In reply to Post #56
Of course! The better business does in our country the more opportunities for a better future for the majority.
Business environment's are nurtured by smart government. We've seen nothing from the Tory party that gives me confidence there's a plan. The plan appeared to be to get Brexit done and that's it. NI, trade, immigration and lack of workers were all easily and regularly predicted.
I don't and won't listen to excuses about COVID, Ukraine blah blah blah(Farages bumps in the road right there). That's what happens in the world, it keeps turning around you, so suck it up and make your vision work.
Paralysis whilst going backwards seems the preferred government option but in reality it's not an option.
Of course! The better business does in our country the more opportunities for a better future for the majority.
Business environment's are nurtured by smart government. We've seen nothing from the Tory party that gives me confidence there's a plan. The plan appeared to be to get Brexit done and that's it. NI, trade, immigration and lack of workers were all easily and regularly predicted.
I don't and won't listen to excuses about COVID, Ukraine blah blah blah(Farages bumps in the road right there). That's what happens in the world, it keeps turning around you, so suck it up and make your vision work.
Paralysis whilst going backwards seems the preferred government option but in reality it's not an option.
In reply to Post #54
A flawed concept is doomed for failure. Loads of leavers are saying it's not working because it's not the brexit they voted for. And dickhead Davis is claiming it's failing because it's a remainers brexit, FFS. Remind me which remainer negotiated this "fantastic" brexit deal back in 2019.
Tantastic Tice tweeted last week that it's not working because-get this- remainers need to help make brexit a success. Well, why, if it's so fantastic do you need the help of remainers to make it a success? And exactly how do we do this?
I'm not gloating, merely pointing out just some of the contradictions of the leave position. I'm sad that the fantasy project of wealthy billionaires was foisted on everyone to the detriment of everyone. Brexit has already cost us more than the entire budget of the time we were in the EU. I think the time elapsed since the referendum and the impact of covid means that lots of people aren't able to link cause and effect.
And no, the deferment of brexit benefits only appeared when all those unicorns you were promised didn't appear. And you're choosing to ignore the many predictions that are now being proved correct.
A flawed concept is doomed for failure. Loads of leavers are saying it's not working because it's not the brexit they voted for. And dickhead Davis is claiming it's failing because it's a remainers brexit, FFS. Remind me which remainer negotiated this "fantastic" brexit deal back in 2019.
Tantastic Tice tweeted last week that it's not working because-get this- remainers need to help make brexit a success. Well, why, if it's so fantastic do you need the help of remainers to make it a success? And exactly how do we do this?
I'm not gloating, merely pointing out just some of the contradictions of the leave position. I'm sad that the fantasy project of wealthy billionaires was foisted on everyone to the detriment of everyone. Brexit has already cost us more than the entire budget of the time we were in the EU. I think the time elapsed since the referendum and the impact of covid means that lots of people aren't able to link cause and effect.
And no, the deferment of brexit benefits only appeared when all those unicorns you were promised didn't appear. And you're choosing to ignore the many predictions that are now being proved correct.
In reply to Post #58
No, I'm waiting to see how it finally ends up once the dust has settled. As I've said many times and you keep ignoring. I don't follow politics so I've no idea what has been said of late, I don't trust any of them, and am far to busy so dont keep track of the latest round of nonsense being spouted by whatever one of them is going at it. The country needs to pull together to make things work yes, but with attitudes like your own and similar people who are too busy gloating about what they see as a big mistake then it's not going to work is it?! It's embarrassing,it's like a child stamping their feet because they didn't get their own way. Similar to that little Jimmy cranky **** from north of the border
No, I'm waiting to see how it finally ends up once the dust has settled. As I've said many times and you keep ignoring. I don't follow politics so I've no idea what has been said of late, I don't trust any of them, and am far to busy so dont keep track of the latest round of nonsense being spouted by whatever one of them is going at it. The country needs to pull together to make things work yes, but with attitudes like your own and similar people who are too busy gloating about what they see as a big mistake then it's not going to work is it?! It's embarrassing,it's like a child stamping their feet because they didn't get their own way. Similar to that little Jimmy cranky **** from north of the border
In reply to Post #58
To be fair... we are importing less cheese now...
To be fair... we are importing less cheese now...