In reply to Post #24
But I do want something quieter and more suited to 10m shooting

Co2 if you want quieter then a PCP, a Springer will always make quite a twang as the spring is released there are ways of quietening them down also giving you double reverse recoil which is something you have to account for with your accuracy as the muzzle end will naturally lift, a longer barrel is usually best for accuracy but not always the case especially with the more modern bullpups/carbines but on the cheaper end I would probably look for a longer barrel type air rifle, if it comes as a set for less than 100 notes then the scope on a springer is probably going to fail at some point because that will be the cheapest of the cheap and lots of shooting I have seen the recoil damage these types of optics even the mountings if over tightened will crack the crosshairs with the first twang of a .22 rifle.

Walther/Umarex do a reasonable range of Co2.

At short range of around 10 metres any rifle will **** a rat if zeroed in and good shot placement but .177 will fire flatter and faster than a .22 which takes on more of a lobbing effect with the pellet, finding a pellet that the rifle suits is another headache some will prefer one type over another my .20 Rapid loves a H&N Barracuda best for tight groupings out to 35/40 yards in perfect conditions.

I've spent many an hour with the black widow in a sadistic game of risk and reward with air dried 10 millers. It's an all or nothing sport for the rat but they seem to love it

In reply to Post #31
The one I got is priced between 150 and 180 looking online, the scope has stayed intact after 300 or so shots, but with the noise it's not really suited to me. The double recoil is a bit strange as it seems to pull then push if you get me.

At 10m is there a higher chance of a 177 going straight through, possibly with a big deviation?

Just as there's so much choice I'm looking at the ratcatcher or the cp2. Probably in 22 but as you say even in the same caliber the guns might want different pellets. The hollow point Bisley pest controllers aren't as accurate as the remington domed pellets I got, and are a bit tighter in the breach, need a bit more care loading in this gun.
I noticed pellpax do sample packs of pellets so I'll probably get one when I get the other gun.
The cp2 is appealing as it's multi shot and I can store it broken down meaning a smaller cupboard, or probably a lock box withing a cupboard
Accuracy doesn't seem to matter at 10m tbh, with a cheap gun, no experience and little practice it's hard to miss a 10mm circle

Edit
Decided on the cp2, as the ratcatcher with 18inch barrel is a fair bit more money, silencer is extra and the cp2 will be more convenient to store. Most reviews seem to favour the cp2 out of the 2 very similar guns too.

Shooting seems a very expensive hobby
Looking at scopes for the cp2 and pretty much settled on one of the cheaper offerings from hawke. but then I need mounts, and something quick release preferably as the front mount will have to be removed to break the gun down for storage.
I can't seem to find much below 100 quid for about 2 pence worth of metal

I'm guessing there a lot of DIY modding in the shooting scene with costs like that.

In reply to Post #34
Its even more expensive than carp fishing. A good scope will easy cost you upwards of a grand. I nearly ordered the new daystate red wolf heritage today but i think the missus would file for divorce.

In reply to Post #35
Am I right in assuming anyone spending that on a rifle will be buying fac versions? I understand it if you want to p p p pop off a pigeon from 90 yds, seems crazy money if it has the same power outputs as my cheap piece of ****

I'm getting used to hitting the filter by price button on websites, I like a nice bit of engineering but some of this stuff is obscene. I've found a few qr mounts at more realistic prices but they say they fit weaver or picatinny rails, I guess they won't fit a standard dovetail? It's a similar story looking for a cheap folding bipod to fit the dovetail underneath. Everything I've found is either weaver, picatinny, or clamps to the barrel which will get in the way of the co2 port.

In reply to Post #36

Within the space of the thread you have gone from wanting to cap a few rats to Lee Harvey Oswald!
I have a friend in the us who got an assault rifle and pistol for less than that air rifle lol.
PLEASE make a giant trebuchet and bait it, make them somebody's problem 300 yards away

In reply to Post #37
I could do that
Hmm I could Re purpose a couple of old spod rods to make a giant ratapult....

I still only want cap a few rats on the cheap, but my idea of cheap has had to be adjusted

In reply to Post #37

In reply to Post #38
It's the humane way to do it and if they do survive I doubt they'd be up for another go

In reply to Post #36
Not necessarily fac versions, competition target shooting is very competitive and that requires reliability and consistent accuracy. People will spend 3k on three carp rods and reels and a competitive rifle and scope settup can be bought for considerably less so like most hobbies it's all down to the individual.

In reply to Post #41
It's all new to me, I'm surprised how satisfying it is tbh.

Took the gun to the Surrey job this week, and the guy had a couple of rifles, both well out of my price range. Was interesting to see the difference in accuracy at 40 ish meters. The one with tank was so much easier than my spring jobbie, quite easily hitting a bottle cap vs 1 in 4 with mine. Was a bit disappointed with the co2 rifle he had, seemed really inconsistent, especially if you fired a few quickly.

Still probably the right choice for me tho, the full power one makes to much mess at the range I'm using springer is too loud, the air tank one's sound high maintenence and expensive

No sign of rats for 10 days or so, put concrete gravel boards below the wooden ones and some wire mesh to try and stop them digging under, and sorted the bird feeders so that discarded seeds are collected, this was the source of the problem for me.
Neighbours were quick to complain about the noise but didn't seem interested as to what I was shooting, if they'd shown a bit more willing I might have baited heavily and tried to wipe them out. I'm tempted to try the ratapult and send the 100 yards up but only 10 to the left

In reply to Post #36
Its more of a collectors rifle so probably wouldnt really be used.

I reckon if you got rid of the birdfeeders you'd be a long way into solving your rat problem, the food is attracting them, no food they'll go a elsewhere,

In reply to Post #44
Exactly right, i made something up so they can't climb up to it, pigeons and squirrels can't get to it either, and so far nothing seems to be getting dropped to the floor. Any more problems and they're gone tho