What's the difference in performance between a tool that use a 12V 2Ah battery and one that uses a 18V 1.5Ah battery.
Both tools being made by Einhell.
Both tools being made by Einhell.
In reply to Post #1
Couldn't tell you the difference in the performance between those two, but the einhell drill I had was a load of rubbish. There's a company called Parkerbrand which do some very cheap power tools which are decent. Have a peek at their site. I can recommend the drill/driver and impact driver sets they do. Both ,plus a pair of batteries ,charger ,case etc, for about £100. I was banging 8 inch screws through 2 oak sleepers with mine and my mate was struggling with his Bosch at 3 times the price
Couldn't tell you the difference in the performance between those two, but the einhell drill I had was a load of rubbish. There's a company called Parkerbrand which do some very cheap power tools which are decent. Have a peek at their site. I can recommend the drill/driver and impact driver sets they do. Both ,plus a pair of batteries ,charger ,case etc, for about £100. I was banging 8 inch screws through 2 oak sleepers with mine and my mate was struggling with his Bosch at 3 times the price
In reply to Post #1
Battery ratings don't mean a lot regarding the power, the max torque is the comparison to go for.
When it comes to bargain tools you won't go far wrong with the Parkside stuff from lidl, at least on a par with einhell erbauer and those sort of brands, and they ask no questions when you return them after 2yrs 10 months of trade use
Battery ratings don't mean a lot regarding the power, the max torque is the comparison to go for.
When it comes to bargain tools you won't go far wrong with the Parkside stuff from lidl, at least on a par with einhell erbauer and those sort of brands, and they ask no questions when you return them after 2yrs 10 months of trade use
In reply to Post #1
12v x 2 ah = 24 watt h
18vx 1.5 ah = 27watt h so that battery has the slight edge capacity wise.
As duggs says if they give torque figures then that worth considering.
Personally I would spend a little more and look for a Makita on offer
It does depend on what your intended use for it is though
12v x 2 ah = 24 watt h
18vx 1.5 ah = 27watt h so that battery has the slight edge capacity wise.
As duggs says if they give torque figures then that worth considering.
Personally I would spend a little more and look for a Makita on offer
It does depend on what your intended use for it is though
@Ian
I found a couple of sets of Parker drill/impact driver
LINK
One set comes with a 3Ah battery and a 1.3Ah Currently out of stock
Other one comes with a 4Ah battery and a 1.3Ah
@Duggs
Lidl haven't got any Parkside stuff in at the moment but what about Ferrex tools from Aldi, 3 year guarantee. Are they any good?
LINK
Comes with 2x 2Ah batteries
@Cornish
Thanks for info. Although even with a good offer Makita is probably more than I want to spend for occasional DIY use.
I found a couple of sets of Parker drill/impact driver
LINK
One set comes with a 3Ah battery and a 1.3Ah Currently out of stock
Other one comes with a 4Ah battery and a 1.3Ah
@Duggs
Lidl haven't got any Parkside stuff in at the moment but what about Ferrex tools from Aldi, 3 year guarantee. Are they any good?
LINK
Comes with 2x 2Ah batteries
@Cornish
Thanks for info. Although even with a good offer Makita is probably more than I want to spend for occasional DIY use.
Although thinking about it I'm not sure if I need an impact driver but the two batteries would be handy.
In reply to Post #5
Still might be a bit much for you but for comparison screwfix do an 18v makita with 2 x 5 ah batteries, 42 Nm and metal gears for £140.
Still might be a bit much for you but for comparison screwfix do an 18v makita with 2 x 5 ah batteries, 42 Nm and metal gears for £140.
In reply to Post #7
No doubt a good drill but I've always managed with cheaper tools, I rarely break them.
No doubt a good drill but I've always managed with cheaper tools, I rarely break them.
In reply to Post #5
I wouldn't know re the aldi tools, but they are probably the same level of tools.
I hate impact drivers, too noisey for me, a few premium companies I work with have actually banned them on there sites.
If you just want one cordless for general use I'd get a gutsy 18v one, it'll still drill a 2mm pilot hole as well as a 12v one, the 12v isn't gonna cope with bigger stuff, and even if it could handle it, the bits probably wouldn't fit in the smaller chucks they tend to have. I tend to use cheap cordless es for heavy stuff, as the premium brands tend to have less power in return for longevity. And corded drills usually have safety clutches that kick in too soon. Bit of a piss take that a £500 drill can't handle auger bits in hardwood but a £100 one eats em up no problem
I wouldn't put much faith in the makita metal gearing, the metal is about as tough as stilton
have a guess what brand the only tool I've shredded the gearbox was 
I wouldn't know re the aldi tools, but they are probably the same level of tools.
I hate impact drivers, too noisey for me, a few premium companies I work with have actually banned them on there sites.
If you just want one cordless for general use I'd get a gutsy 18v one, it'll still drill a 2mm pilot hole as well as a 12v one, the 12v isn't gonna cope with bigger stuff, and even if it could handle it, the bits probably wouldn't fit in the smaller chucks they tend to have. I tend to use cheap cordless es for heavy stuff, as the premium brands tend to have less power in return for longevity. And corded drills usually have safety clutches that kick in too soon. Bit of a piss take that a £500 drill can't handle auger bits in hardwood but a £100 one eats em up no problem
I wouldn't put much faith in the makita metal gearing, the metal is about as tough as stilton
have a guess what brand the only tool I've shredded the gearbox was
In reply to Post #5
Either is good mate, it's only the batteries which are different. Honestly you won't be disappointed. Way better than most Bosch/Makita etc etc for twice the price or more . Recon the screwdriver I have has put in 10000 screws so far and it's perfect still
Either is good mate, it's only the batteries which are different. Honestly you won't be disappointed. Way better than most Bosch/Makita etc etc for twice the price or more . Recon the screwdriver I have has put in 10000 screws so far and it's perfect still
In reply to Post #9
Agree re Makita. Their new kit has gone downhill massively
Agree re Makita. Their new kit has gone downhill massively
In reply to Post #9
I don't use an impact either, horrid bloody things.
Tell a lie, I have a 12v that I use just for 3mm pilot bits because it's pretty fast and won't rattle without any pressure.
As for makita, yes it's garbage
I don't use an impact either, horrid bloody things.
Tell a lie, I have a 12v that I use just for 3mm pilot bits because it's pretty fast and won't rattle without any pressure.
As for makita, yes it's garbage
In reply to Post #8
They do a drill alone for about £50 mate. And batteries are dirt cheap
They do a drill alone for about £50 mate. And batteries are dirt cheap
In reply to Post #12
They aren't a tool designed for finesse are they
I've got one, but it's a monster square drive thing that wouldn't look out of place in an f1 pit lane
M20 bolts with a 70+nm cordless ain't the one
They aren't a tool designed for finesse are they
I've got one, but it's a monster square drive thing that wouldn't look out of place in an f1 pit lane
M20 bolts with a 70+nm cordless ain't the one
I can't make my mind up at the moment so I've just bought a really cheap Chinese battery to go into my elderly 12V Dewalt (it originally came with a Nicad battery)
That will keep me going for a while but at some point a second drill will be handy rather than changing bits all the time.
That will keep me going for a while but at some point a second drill will be handy rather than changing bits all the time.
Hilti only on my four work vans I've got 22v cordless rotary hammer drills, 5" cordless grinders, impact wrenches, impact drivers,drill drivers all on 8ah Li-ion batteries 4 batteries on each van and they can run their tools all day and not need to charge anything up during their day on site they just drop them on the battery bank in the unit overnight.
Any problems, which there rarely is you get two years warranty on all tools book them in online early in the day collected same day/next day at the latest and back within two days fixed and looking like new, I swear they have on occasions just replaced the tools with new ones, you pay a bit more for Hilti tools but you get what you pay for, had 110v Hilti tools that are five or more years old and get hammered on a daily basis on site work and have never been back for a service let alone repair, moved over to battery tools the last few years now most sites are wanting to be cordless by end of this year/next and the performance of Hilti's battery tools are as good as their corded tools.
Had everything from Makita to Fein over the years it just doesn't compare or last.
Any problems, which there rarely is you get two years warranty on all tools book them in online early in the day collected same day/next day at the latest and back within two days fixed and looking like new, I swear they have on occasions just replaced the tools with new ones, you pay a bit more for Hilti tools but you get what you pay for, had 110v Hilti tools that are five or more years old and get hammered on a daily basis on site work and have never been back for a service let alone repair, moved over to battery tools the last few years now most sites are wanting to be cordless by end of this year/next and the performance of Hilti's battery tools are as good as their corded tools.
Had everything from Makita to Fein over the years it just doesn't compare or last.
In reply to Post #16
Hilti are the most overrated,overpriced of the lot!! I have the misfortune of having a load of their kit on my van . There's a reason why theres less and less of it on site these days. You're right though they do just replace rather than repair. Mainly because they have sod all staff in their workshop anymore, plus can't get part for their own kit
Hilti are the most overrated,overpriced of the lot!! I have the misfortune of having a load of their kit on my van . There's a reason why theres less and less of it on site these days. You're right though they do just replace rather than repair. Mainly because they have sod all staff in their workshop anymore, plus can't get part for their own kit
In reply to Post #17
Doesn't matter if they repair or replace it's still turned around in a few days and two years warranty as standard 12 months with anything else I've ever had, had the same great service from Hilti for the last 20 odd years, I've got on average six or seven of their tools on all my vans close to 30 tools doing onsite work day in day out and I can hand on heart say I get probably 2 or 3 breakdowns a year I'll pay the premium for the tool and service, I've had Makita Milwaukee and everything in between over the last 35 years there ok for a few months and then they either pack up, burn out or the batteries get tired within a few months of daily charging with less than average run times sticking them on charge every half an hour, you'd be lucky to get it back in the same month when sent back on warranty repair.
Doesn't matter if they repair or replace it's still turned around in a few days and two years warranty as standard 12 months with anything else I've ever had, had the same great service from Hilti for the last 20 odd years, I've got on average six or seven of their tools on all my vans close to 30 tools doing onsite work day in day out and I can hand on heart say I get probably 2 or 3 breakdowns a year I'll pay the premium for the tool and service, I've had Makita Milwaukee and everything in between over the last 35 years there ok for a few months and then they either pack up, burn out or the batteries get tired within a few months of daily charging with less than average run times sticking them on charge every half an hour, you'd be lucky to get it back in the same month when sent back on warranty repair.
In reply to Post #18
Youve been lucky then. I've got 7 bits that I can think of on my van currently,and we've a yard full of other kit too. We get very regular breakdowns. My boss was a hilti rep and gets a good deal from them or we wouldn't use them . Funny you mention Milwaukee as they are basically the same! They are literally the same designs! Credit where it's due their breakers are pretty decent although their havs timings leave a lot to be desired. The new te1000avr they reckon you can use for 8 hours in a day without reaching elv. An example of how garbage some of the kit is. The new 9 inch angle grinder I can use one handed and make it bog down and stop whilst cutting concrete. The older ,decent model of theirs would take your head clean off if you tried that. Plus they've fitted slow start. Who in earth wants slow start on a disc cutter?! And those cutters are over £400 ! For a poxy angle grinder! Robbing *******s even charge you an extra £180 for a guard for it too!!
Tbh we don't use battery kit though, it wouldn't last 5 minutes doing what we do
Youve been lucky then. I've got 7 bits that I can think of on my van currently,and we've a yard full of other kit too. We get very regular breakdowns. My boss was a hilti rep and gets a good deal from them or we wouldn't use them . Funny you mention Milwaukee as they are basically the same! They are literally the same designs! Credit where it's due their breakers are pretty decent although their havs timings leave a lot to be desired. The new te1000avr they reckon you can use for 8 hours in a day without reaching elv. An example of how garbage some of the kit is. The new 9 inch angle grinder I can use one handed and make it bog down and stop whilst cutting concrete. The older ,decent model of theirs would take your head clean off if you tried that. Plus they've fitted slow start. Who in earth wants slow start on a disc cutter?! And those cutters are over £400 ! For a poxy angle grinder! Robbing *******s even charge you an extra £180 for a guard for it too!!
Tbh we don't use battery kit though, it wouldn't last 5 minutes doing what we do
In reply to Post #14
Horrific noise and I can't help but chuckle watching people ‘adjusting' Blum hinges. Which is essentially going from one extreme of adjustment to the other and breaking the mounting plate
Not sure Hilti really fits the original brief of a cheap drill.
I use dewalt tools and have a router that's used pretty much daily that's 15 years old and still as good as new, mechanically.. it's sort of mustard colour now. I use high consumption battery tools all day every day and the 18 and 54 have been spot on as have the tool bodies.
Makita stuff doesn't hold up the same.
Funny how when a builder or tradesmen has a tool break and they bring in their ‘old one' it's dewalt or Elu and still works
Horrific noise and I can't help but chuckle watching people ‘adjusting' Blum hinges. Which is essentially going from one extreme of adjustment to the other and breaking the mounting plate
Not sure Hilti really fits the original brief of a cheap drill.
I use dewalt tools and have a router that's used pretty much daily that's 15 years old and still as good as new, mechanically.. it's sort of mustard colour now. I use high consumption battery tools all day every day and the 18 and 54 have been spot on as have the tool bodies.
Makita stuff doesn't hold up the same.
Funny how when a builder or tradesmen has a tool break and they bring in their ‘old one' it's dewalt or Elu and still works
In reply to Post #20
It escalated quickly from £60 drills to £600 ones
I lost faith in hilti when I put a skill saw in for repair and they wanted £160 to sort out a slippy depth adjustor, then a month later said they couldn't get the part and offered a new one at full retail price
Ive used one of the festool power bank jobbies recently, bloody brilliant when there's no power, was using tools all day and even boiling the kettle
That's what you want for fishing, take the kettle, microwave and electric blanket with you
I think the only brands I haven't had issues with are festool and elu, I'm sure one of the festool tools will pack up eventually and I'll find out what the customer support is really like but I'm told it's very good.
When the elu tools pack up I'll give em a funeral they've been with me so long
@ip100, I don't use grinders much but wouldn't buy one without the soft start
It escalated quickly from £60 drills to £600 ones
I lost faith in hilti when I put a skill saw in for repair and they wanted £160 to sort out a slippy depth adjustor, then a month later said they couldn't get the part and offered a new one at full retail price
Ive used one of the festool power bank jobbies recently, bloody brilliant when there's no power, was using tools all day and even boiling the kettle
That's what you want for fishing, take the kettle, microwave and electric blanket with you
I think the only brands I haven't had issues with are festool and elu, I'm sure one of the festool tools will pack up eventually and I'll find out what the customer support is really like but I'm told it's very good.
When the elu tools pack up I'll give em a funeral they've been with me so long
@ip100, I don't use grinders much but wouldn't buy one without the soft start
In reply to Post #21
Really? Why would you want the soft start? Of all the grinders I've used over the years the poxy hilti thing is the only one with soft start. Slows me down far too much
Really? Why would you want the soft start? Of all the grinders I've used over the years the poxy hilti thing is the only one with soft start. Slows me down far too much
In reply to Post #22
As I say, I don't use them much, but the way they pull about when you turn them on for that initial second I've never liked. And since I don't get that kick with anything else it makes it worse when I use a grinder without the soft start.
But I'm generally working with a lot of care, and I'm used to waiting for tools to get to speed, my plunge saw tracks being 10 years old and not having the usual half moon gouges are the proof of that
As I say, I don't use them much, but the way they pull about when you turn them on for that initial second I've never liked. And since I don't get that kick with anything else it makes it worse when I use a grinder without the soft start.
But I'm generally working with a lot of care, and I'm used to waiting for tools to get to speed, my plunge saw tracks being 10 years old and not having the usual half moon gouges are the proof of that
In reply to Post #23
Ah right fair enough. Totally different for me, I use them a lot, and far bigger than the standard 9 inch too. (450mm diameter is the biggest hand saw I use). Need plenty of grunt or they won't do anything. I'm a hamfisted oaf when it comes to 20mm screws and delicate timber lol
Ah right fair enough. Totally different for me, I use them a lot, and far bigger than the standard 9 inch too. (450mm diameter is the biggest hand saw I use). Need plenty of grunt or they won't do anything. I'm a hamfisted oaf when it comes to 20mm screws and delicate timber lol
In reply to Post #24
I have been weighing up getting one of the hilti sds drills with the new safety clutch, all the others I've had have kicked in way too soon, have you used any of them?
I have been weighing up getting one of the hilti sds drills with the new safety clutch, all the others I've had have kicked in way too soon, have you used any of them?
In reply to Post #25
Only the newest sds max one mate, my sds plus is an older te30. The max isn't all that good, the clutch slips too easily for my liking.
Only the newest sds max one mate, my sds plus is an older te30. The max isn't all that good, the clutch slips too easily for my liking.
In reply to Post #26
Ah ok mate, there must be some regulation on the things I guess, but it's so frustrating when they seize up with hardly any pressure. My bosch diamond drill from the mid 90s has a great clutch, only kicks in when it's needed. Mind you it'd probably snap your wrists if you were careless with it
Ah ok mate, there must be some regulation on the things I guess, but it's so frustrating when they seize up with hardly any pressure. My bosch diamond drill from the mid 90s has a great clutch, only kicks in when it's needed. Mind you it'd probably snap your wrists if you were careless with it
In reply to Post #27
Even those 36v Bosch sds drills aren't the same as they were with inferior battery tech.
Even those 36v Bosch sds drills aren't the same as they were with inferior battery tech.
In reply to Post #27
Diamond drills have proper clutches thankfully (my job) ,but yeah the sds drills arent all that these days.
Diamond drills have proper clutches thankfully (my job) ,but yeah the sds drills arent all that these days.
I will add I only buy Hilti for the work tools on the vans and replace every two years as they do get hammered and earned there money in that time anyway so never without warranty , my tools at home are a mixture of makes t only get used occasionally the only one that will not die is a drill driver from dewalt which has had some hammer over the years.
In reply to Post #30
Hilti must love you
You'd be better off with Parkside, 3 year warranty and get a refund when they break
I expect 10 years out of quality tools (batteries excluded) are your guys using hammer drills to knock 4 inch nails in or something?
Hilti must love you
You'd be better off with Parkside, 3 year warranty and get a refund when they break
I expect 10 years out of quality tools (batteries excluded) are your guys using hammer drills to knock 4 inch nails in or something?
In reply to Post #31
Exactly that. Professional quality tools should last far longer than 2 years nomatter how much grief you give them
Exactly that. Professional quality tools should last far longer than 2 years nomatter how much grief you give them
In reply to Post #28
I used to hate it when the old boys give it the old "they don't make em like they used too" but it's very much the case with tools.
I'm using an elu chop saw almost daily, regularly check but never need to adjust calibration, still sweet as a nut. Was bought in 1996 by my old man. I had the dewalt version that needed calibrating every month, bits fell off, bearings kept going, electronics mucked about and the motor gave up inside 5 years. You can still buy a version of that saw, it's £20 cheaper than the elu was in 96...
They don't make em like they used to as they'd be 3 times the price...
I used to hate it when the old boys give it the old "they don't make em like they used too" but it's very much the case with tools.
I'm using an elu chop saw almost daily, regularly check but never need to adjust calibration, still sweet as a nut. Was bought in 1996 by my old man. I had the dewalt version that needed calibrating every month, bits fell off, bearings kept going, electronics mucked about and the motor gave up inside 5 years. You can still buy a version of that saw, it's £20 cheaper than the elu was in 96...
They don't make em like they used to as they'd be 3 times the price...
In reply to Post #33
Except the huge site saw I've not found a reliable dw mitre saw to be fair. Using a kapex currently and it's alright... ok I admit, it's actually bloody brilliant but you wouldn't want to leave it unattended for labourers to cut batten or 4x2. Feels like 1 good kickback will smash half of it to bits
Except the huge site saw I've not found a reliable dw mitre saw to be fair. Using a kapex currently and it's alright... ok I admit, it's actually bloody brilliant but you wouldn't want to leave it unattended for labourers to cut batten or 4x2. Feels like 1 good kickback will smash half of it to bits
In reply to Post #34
Nice saw but bulky and I found the depth of cut disappointing considering the size. The elu does me for most jobs and I've got a big cheapo for big cornices (that invariably need a shave anyway) or the odd roofing job
Nice saw but bulky and I found the depth of cut disappointing considering the size. The elu does me for most jobs and I've got a big cheapo for big cornices (that invariably need a shave anyway) or the odd roofing job
my hilti TE24 and drywall gun served me well over the years..also cable porter drills..all 110v no charging batterys on site back then..usd to see the odd fixer with a 9v Hitachi though 
For anyone interested I finally got around to buying a drill
Being for DIY use I originally was looking at one of those budget makes that have around 40Nm torque.
Then I had to factor in I wanted a spare battery and a case would be an advantage
My original estimate was £50-60 but reading the advice given what I wanted was going to cost £80ish.
Then I noticed this and thought it was worth paying the extra
LINK
Brushless, 70Nm 2x 3Ahr batteries, charger, case and metal chuck.
Hardly any branches have them in stock but I found one and so bought it from there.
Please don't tell me it's a pile of ****.
Being for DIY use I originally was looking at one of those budget makes that have around 40Nm torque.
Then I had to factor in I wanted a spare battery and a case would be an advantage
My original estimate was £50-60 but reading the advice given what I wanted was going to cost £80ish.
Then I noticed this and thought it was worth paying the extra
LINK
Brushless, 70Nm 2x 3Ahr batteries, charger, case and metal chuck.
Hardly any branches have them in stock but I found one and so bought it from there.
Please don't tell me it's a pile of ****.
In reply to Post #37
Landed on your feet there mate. Good find for the cash
Landed on your feet there mate. Good find for the cash
In reply to Post #37
Looks a decent buy that
Looks a decent buy that
In reply to Post #37
, they make decent tools, but they rebranded the tools as hikoki a few years back. Must have been hiding in a stockroom for years.
Look out if your using holesaws or auger bits, 70nm and a bit snatching up will do a number on your wrists I can tell you.
, they make decent tools, but they rebranded the tools as hikoki a few years back. Must have been hiding in a stockroom for years.Look out if your using holesaws or auger bits, 70nm and a bit snatching up will do a number on your wrists I can tell you.
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