Hi,
I've used black baits for most of my fishing, better for baiting up and you can use a throwing stick and watch the seagulls look confused when they cant see the baits land.
Always used a powdered dye, use to use the Nash one years ago then moved over to another better one I use to get from mike at essential.
So I've seen some really dark baits on the market, like Dark Spell from Rollin. Its got me wondering if i could use any actual additives to aid the darkening process so i can get away with less dye?
I've used black baits for most of my fishing, better for baiting up and you can use a throwing stick and watch the seagulls look confused when they cant see the baits land.
Always used a powdered dye, use to use the Nash one years ago then moved over to another better one I use to get from mike at essential.
So I've seen some really dark baits on the market, like Dark Spell from Rollin. Its got me wondering if i could use any actual additives to aid the darkening process so i can get away with less dye?
In reply to Post #1
Spriulina - 30g per Kg
Spriulina - 30g per Kg
In reply to Post #1
squid ink & blood plasma will make your baits appear very dark to us humans.
whether the fish see them the same way is another matter.
squid ink & blood plasma will make your baits appear very dark to us humans.
whether the fish see them the same way is another matter.
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Activated charcoal powder should give you a very dark bait, as black as you like. Food safe and effective
Activated charcoal powder should give you a very dark bait, as black as you like. Food safe and effective
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Are you getting blood plasma and blood powder (hemoglobin) mixed up...
Plasma is white, hemoglobin is the the dark ingredient.
Are you getting blood plasma and blood powder (hemoglobin) mixed up...
Plasma is white, hemoglobin is the the dark ingredient.
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yes I am
thanks - I meant blood powder which is dark red in color.
yes I am
thanks - I meant blood powder which is dark red in color.
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I'm struggling with the thought of it activated charcoal being used as a filter media, not for particulate but ions, Cl etc, I take it it doesn't have any impact on bait ingredients?
I was talking to DNA the other day about darkening baits and they mentioned Betastim doing just that, though it worth a mention.
EDIT, CCM also said their Feedstim XP will darken baits depending on use.
I'm struggling with the thought of it activated charcoal being used as a filter media, not for particulate but ions, Cl etc, I take it it doesn't have any impact on bait ingredients?
I was talking to DNA the other day about darkening baits and they mentioned Betastim doing just that, though it worth a mention.
EDIT, CCM also said their Feedstim XP will darken baits depending on use.
Liquid Kelp. 
Not done it for a while but a mix of spiralina and black groundbait dye worked for me. Either by itself didn't, which I found strange, but I was trying to avoid tufties not seagulls.
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problem with liquids is that it washes out quickly. i remember L030 in baits used to make them lovely & dark but would be much paler after a couple of hours in the water
useful for attraction - not useful if you want your bait to stay dark.
problem with liquids is that it washes out quickly. i remember L030 in baits used to make them lovely & dark but would be much paler after a couple of hours in the water
useful for attraction - not useful if you want your bait to stay dark.
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Yep, guess it depends on your requirements for time, probably useless for those targeting difficult fish, not so on a quick bite water.
What is the commercially used dye for black without imparting flavour or detracting from taste?
Yep, guess it depends on your requirements for time, probably useless for those targeting difficult fish, not so on a quick bite water.
What is the commercially used dye for black without imparting flavour or detracting from taste?
In reply to Post #11
squid ink
squid ink
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Seen it used in pasta, had no idea it was tasteless, good stuff
Seen it used in pasta, had no idea it was tasteless, good stuff
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Lots to think about here, thanks for the input.
I've got Betastim in the attractor profile tbf.... not for its dying properties but thats very interesting to know.
also got spirulina going in.
might but some Squid Ink off amazon, looks pricey. got a decent nutrional / mineral profile to be fair..!
Never considered charcoal but again an interesting slant.
I think Im going for half the normal amount of powdered black dye, 25g spriulina and possibly some squid in in the liquids.
And yes it really does confuse the seagulls .... they can see it coming but soon as it hits the surface its gone to them
Lots to think about here, thanks for the input.
I've got Betastim in the attractor profile tbf.... not for its dying properties but thats very interesting to know.
also got spirulina going in.
might but some Squid Ink off amazon, looks pricey. got a decent nutrional / mineral profile to be fair..!
Never considered charcoal but again an interesting slant.
I think Im going for half the normal amount of powdered black dye, 25g spriulina and possibly some squid in in the liquids.
And yes it really does confuse the seagulls .... they can see it coming but soon as it hits the surface its gone to them