This was always my school of thinking about bait . Nowdays with all these gluggs and goos that are very powerful so much so you can detect the smell from yards and yards away . Do you think everyone is over powering flavours these days ?
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Yes, with chemicals.
Yes, with chemicals.
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Yes absolutely!!. If you consider a carps ability to find and eat unflavoured chick peas that have very little "smell" compared to a boilie it does make you wonder exactly how effective glugs, sprays etc actually are. I came to that conclusion a while ago and now have a kilo of bait "flavoured" with 15ml liver hydro and 1ml of flavour and results have been much better since using it.
Yes absolutely!!. If you consider a carps ability to find and eat unflavoured chick peas that have very little "smell" compared to a boilie it does make you wonder exactly how effective glugs, sprays etc actually are. I came to that conclusion a while ago and now have a kilo of bait "flavoured" with 15ml liver hydro and 1ml of flavour and results have been much better since using it.
John Baker advocates very low doses of his flavours and also says his basemixes will work without adding any "extra"flavours.
As below, yes with chemicals.
Just another element to carp fishing to keep the industry going and to keep the companies in profit. No different to lots of the terminal tackle / companies out there.
Just another element to carp fishing to keep the industry going and to keep the companies in profit. No different to lots of the terminal tackle / companies out there.
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I think in some cases, say for example busy day ticket lakes, its a case of he who shouts loudest gets heard first. On a lake with no pressure then I think Rod was right when he said" if you can smell it it's too strong". Carp can find a single Tiger nut, if it's on its own. Could they pick one out hidden in a load of strongly flavoured boilies? Hmmm.
I think in some cases, say for example busy day ticket lakes, its a case of he who shouts loudest gets heard first. On a lake with no pressure then I think Rod was right when he said" if you can smell it it's too strong". Carp can find a single Tiger nut, if it's on its own. Could they pick one out hidden in a load of strongly flavoured boilies? Hmmm.
On the flip side why does a carp have to smell anything to eat it?
Bread for example probably has no scent underwater but has caught millions of carp.
Bread for example probably has no scent underwater but has caught millions of carp.
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Bread is a great example of extremely low level attraction yet as you say very very effective.bread dough has virtually no smell but baked bread does. It's that smell imo that's very water soluble and also detectable at levels as low as 5ppb that's doing the job for you.
Bread is a great example of extremely low level attraction yet as you say very very effective.bread dough has virtually no smell but baked bread does. It's that smell imo that's very water soluble and also detectable at levels as low as 5ppb that's doing the job for you.
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Carp can't smell anything. You can't smell under water. Smell is air born
Carp can't smell anything. You can't smell under water. Smell is air born
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That's very true, I perhaps should have said taste rather than smell. My post was aimed at the water soluble aromatic compounds that are present in many of our favourite baits including bread that imho makes bread so attractive
That's very true, I perhaps should have said taste rather than smell. My post was aimed at the water soluble aromatic compounds that are present in many of our favourite baits including bread that imho makes bread so attractive
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You're splitting hairs here with syntax. Smell or taste is subjective.,to the environment . I have hay-fever, and I can taste pollen from trees as soon as I drive into a road that has blossom laden trees. At the same time my body has a reaction to the pollen. Can anyone say for sure that fish don't have a similar reaction to similar elements in their environment.?
You're splitting hairs here with syntax. Smell or taste is subjective.,to the environment . I have hay-fever, and I can taste pollen from trees as soon as I drive into a road that has blossom laden trees. At the same time my body has a reaction to the pollen. Can anyone say for sure that fish don't have a similar reaction to similar elements in their environment.?
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No splitting hairs , carp cannot smell .
No splitting hairs , carp cannot smell .
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I can't smell underwater, but I can taste **** if I'm swimming in it. I would soon be swimming away from it. I suggest you don't go swimming in the seas around the south coast at the moment. If you value your health.
I can't smell underwater, but I can taste **** if I'm swimming in it. I would soon be swimming away from it. I suggest you don't go swimming in the seas around the south coast at the moment. If you value your health.
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Carp can detect substances/chemicals in the water without touching/tasting them, which is very similar to our sense of smell. Some of those chemicals trigger the fish to investigate the source, once they find the source and touch it then sense of taste kicks in...and yes I understand there is a bit of a cross over between these senses but my experience is that they are separate and both need addressing to get the best out of a bait.
Carp can detect substances/chemicals in the water without touching/tasting them, which is very similar to our sense of smell. Some of those chemicals trigger the fish to investigate the source, once they find the source and touch it then sense of taste kicks in...and yes I understand there is a bit of a cross over between these senses but my experience is that they are separate and both need addressing to get the best out of a bait.
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Going back to the op, do those levels need to be as inflated as bait companies tell us....
Going back to the op, do those levels need to be as inflated as bait companies tell us....