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Basemix issues (12 posts / 2,114 views)
Spike Spike
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Post #1 10 Feb 2023 19:45
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A mate of my is rolling some bait. He's having issues with some of the baits floating. Bar some dodgy Ingrediants I can't see why it would float

LT94 - 370g
Whey 80 - 50g
Yeast - 50g
Spice - 50g
Kelp - 25g
Semo - 150
Soya - 150
CLO - 150
Betaine - 5g

Anyone had any similar issues ?

More so in 18mm than 14s. If under cooked so the centre is still like paste they sink.

scaley&dark
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Post #2 10 Feb 2023 20:30
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In reply to Post #1
Trapped air in the mix, perhaps ?

Is he using a bait gun, or hand kneading/rolling sausages, then rolling table.

Depending on the version of CLO, some are coarser, and more egg biscuity, others seem more breadcrumb based and finer.

Spike Spike
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Post #3 10 Feb 2023 21:19
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In reply to Post #2
AA baits for the CLO , he's hand making the paste and then pushing it into an air gun / compressor

Just mad half the mix swells other half boils fine and sinks
Smurf Smurf
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Post #4 12 Feb 2023 10:20
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In reply to Post #1
Is he letting it stand at all before rolling?
Spike Spike
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Post #5 12 Feb 2023 10:50
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In reply to Post #4
Not sure I can double check with him. That's the only thing I've heard about is yeast causing issues of left to stand.
Ynnek
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Post #6 12 Feb 2023 12:30
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In reply to Post #5
Only if it still active
Spike Spike
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Post #7 12 Feb 2023 12:35
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In reply to Post #6
That was my thought. Told him to try it without and also try it with liver instead so I'll find out this week how he got on
ianmc ianmc
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Post #8 12 Feb 2023 22:33
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Definitely no krill or squid meal in it, all LT94?
Bait_buff Bait_buff
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Post #9 13 Feb 2023 16:43
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In reply to Post #8
even with Krill you need a lot to make a bait float, I tried to make some cheap natural pop ups last year using 50% krill mixed with soya and semo and they still didn't float lol
Spike Spike
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Post #10 13 Feb 2023 16:57
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In reply to Post #8
No just LT94, that's the recipe he sent me I've just copied it over. When I used to roll bait I had a similar mix and had zero floating issues.
But i had the LT94 at 30% and used PDFM at 7% and shrimp and 3% and that didn't float
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #11 22 Feb 2023 21:51
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In reply to Post #3
Ages ago I had an issue with Trigga floating when I put it through the gun onto the Rolaball. The exact same mix done with a rolling table and onto the Rolaball was OK and sunk.

The rolling table baits were a smoother finish as well.

Is it possible that the baits being gunned onto the table are 'stretched' and holding air as the sausages are rolled, whereas the rolling table is compressing them?

Spike Spike
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Post #12 23 Feb 2023 07:11
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In reply to Post #11
I believe it was a gunning issue. If he loads the gun under 3kg it's fine anything over some float. Must be trapping air from what he's explained.
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