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Estate Lake Systems (9 posts / 1,874 views)
Justin_Time Justin_Time
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Post #1 22 May 2022 10:25
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I recently wandered across this guy and his YT channel and my first impressions are that I like what I see, especially the tank tests he carries out on the standard rigs of the day. His Viper rig looks original and useful and his analysis of his observations seem to be the mother for his invention, based upon experience, some negative. I hope this contribution to carp fishing will cause further original thought amongst us, well beyond the claim that it just needs sharp and simple. What does the board think?
Jimbo6745
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Post #2 22 May 2022 12:46
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In reply to Post #1
I stumbled across the viper rig video a few days ago and to be honest I thought it was a bit of a gimmick. A lot of messing around bending hooks etc. I think he was saying that because the hook is not attached via a knot it helps create free movement of the hook?. There is no doubting there is a lot of movement in the hook it swings and turns so easily but this is certainly not what I'm after in my rigs. I don't want the hook turning and spinning so freely. The D rig (chod style) is a great hooker of fish every time that bait is picked up the point of the hook is aiming for that bottom lip fixed into position.I don't think having the hook not attached cia a knot is of great benefit
DaveSG DaveSG
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Post #3 22 May 2022 13:06
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That hook certainly has a lot of movement to it and seems to work well.

never been a fan of those bait spike things or the bending of hooks in any way but there are a lot of octopus hooks which are more suited and maybe even some heavy salmon with an already extreme out turn eye.

Good luck to him with it though - he's absolutely right regarding the junk packaging we get left with
Justin_Time Justin_Time
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Post #4 22 May 2022 13:33
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In reply to Post #3
Good call on the Intruder pattern up-turned eye salmon hooks. I remember the low-water salmon hooks we used to use and later, bend. Nice point about the packaging too. The amount of hard plastics used in fishing tackle packaging is shameful.
I particularly enjoy his critique of the Korda/Nash status quo.
Justin_Time Justin_Time
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Post #5 22 May 2022 13:38
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In reply to Post #2
https://youtu.be/BqqWQ-2j51A

Tank test FYI
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #6 22 May 2022 13:45
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Same guy who ran estate lakes baits before it closed, it's something he hasn't actually tested yet on all accounts just keeps posting “tweaks” to it via groups, was shocked to see someone selling end tackle without testing it when I first saw it,. I don't like the fact it's secured with the hook eye butting up against the knot in the bait, he says it has to be a knot with the costing in tact which means using very soft baits, and also a LOT of room for user error and big eyes hooks / smaller hair knots with different coating etc.

I just don't see how thst much movement is necessary
Mozzi Mozzi
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Post #7 22 May 2022 13:51
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In reply to Post #4
To be fair the new OMC stuff is in paper, and Korda are working on massively reducing the plastic in their basix range I'm sure it'll pan across eventually. No idea why others aren't following suit though.


The big one is bait bags, we all use a form of poly, even that “casual carpet” brand ( repackaged Euro baits ) thst advertised a biodegradable bag had a plastic lining effectively making it worst for recycling.

I've been told as a company I can send the bag trimmings to reworked - Steve carries company thst recycles fishing line, face masks, gloves etc. Would be interesting to see if anglers would be willing to rinse out their bait bags and put them in bins similar to the line ones in tackle shops. I know it's faffing around but ultimately the changes and improvements only happen with effort
Justin_Time Justin_Time
Posts: 370
Post #8 22 May 2022 16:14
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In reply to Post #6
Its perhaps most surprising to see how poorly the ronnie hook swivel performs when pressure is placed upon it. It doesnt swivel when a carp sucks it up. It may do in the mouth but not where we were lead to believe it would. Eye opening.
ip100 ip100
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Post #9 22 May 2022 19:27
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His video on bending hooks is a perfect example of why you shouldnt bend hooks
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