Quick question as I can't make my mind up. I've never used a 13 foot rod. Always had 12 foot rods. What you guys prefer in general to use 12 or 13 foot ? And is there much difference ? I.e I've heard 13 foot are better for casting and so on but neather using one I wouldn't have a clue so what your guys advice
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I've 12ft fishing rods and 13ft spod rod. The only difference is that I have to stand back further if I use sticks and avoiding trees and what have you. Other than that, no, no difference.
I've 12ft fishing rods and 13ft spod rod. The only difference is that I have to stand back further if I use sticks and avoiding trees and what have you. Other than that, no, no difference.
In reply to Post #1
The extra length should allow you to generate extra tip speed and so add more force to your cast.
But I think that the real answer is that it depends upon the blank. Some blanks just seem to have better lengths e.g. there seems to be a consensus that the 12'6” TE is a better rod than the 12', whereas the Aviator Plus is special at 13{ and the Baby Ballistas at 11'
Of course, ESP have done videos on how 12'9” is the magic length!
The extra length should allow you to generate extra tip speed and so add more force to your cast.
But I think that the real answer is that it depends upon the blank. Some blanks just seem to have better lengths e.g. there seems to be a consensus that the 12'6” TE is a better rod than the 12', whereas the Aviator Plus is special at 13{ and the Baby Ballistas at 11'
Of course, ESP have done videos on how 12'9” is the magic length!
Silly question. But if you're not the best carster in the world is it harder to compress the rod on the cast ? I.e is it harder to compress a 13 foot to a 12 foot rod for a descent cast ?
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A longer rod has a larger arc from the pivot point which given the same force in the cast as a shorter rod will give you greater range.
As for compressing a 13ft rod compared to a 12ft rod, never really noticed any difference. Possibly others can chime in and give a more detailed response.
I'm guessing that you're thinking of getting 13ft rods to get greater ranges, watch one of Terry Edmonds videos and break his cast down in steps. Watch it in great detail as you'll definitely improve your casting. Obviously lessons are far superior to watching and dissecting a video. Something worth remembering is that a slow, laboured cast released at the perfect 45 degree angle will result in shorter distance, the quicker your cast - arms, hands and waist - the quicker the lead will be moving which equates to longer distances.
I know it sounds overly simplistic, but apart from a good casting action/posture/release/diameter of line, there's not much to it. Just a case of honing your casting skills.
A longer rod has a larger arc from the pivot point which given the same force in the cast as a shorter rod will give you greater range.
As for compressing a 13ft rod compared to a 12ft rod, never really noticed any difference. Possibly others can chime in and give a more detailed response.
I'm guessing that you're thinking of getting 13ft rods to get greater ranges, watch one of Terry Edmonds videos and break his cast down in steps. Watch it in great detail as you'll definitely improve your casting. Obviously lessons are far superior to watching and dissecting a video. Something worth remembering is that a slow, laboured cast released at the perfect 45 degree angle will result in shorter distance, the quicker your cast - arms, hands and waist - the quicker the lead will be moving which equates to longer distances.
I know it sounds overly simplistic, but apart from a good casting action/posture/release/diameter of line, there's not much to it. Just a case of honing your casting skills.
In reply to Post #4
A lot of people say that but when I asked Terry Edmonds this question he said that anyone can compress a 13' rod if they know how to cast.
In fact he thought that most people should be able to compress most carp rods beyond its optimal performance after a lesson. I'm a terrible caster but after one lesson I was getting more out out of an Aviator Plus 13' than a 12' Daiwa Infinity Infinity 3.75 so I think that he is right.
A lot of people say that but when I asked Terry Edmonds this question he said that anyone can compress a 13' rod if they know how to cast.
In fact he thought that most people should be able to compress most carp rods beyond its optimal performance after a lesson. I'm a terrible caster but after one lesson I was getting more out out of an Aviator Plus 13' than a 12' Daiwa Infinity Infinity 3.75 so I think that he is right.
In reply to Post #6
both terry Edmonds and mark Hutchinson use 13 foot for big casts.
I am no great caster but can defiantly cast further with a 13 foot rod.
the only trouble with 13 foot rods is the room in the swim and storing them.
both terry Edmonds and mark Hutchinson use 13 foot for big casts.
I am no great caster but can defiantly cast further with a 13 foot rod.
the only trouble with 13 foot rods is the room in the swim and storing them.
In reply to Post #1
You have casting rods & fish playing rods,
different properties that are very difficult to reconcile,
which is the most important to You,
distance or joy playing a fish,...
You have casting rods & fish playing rods,
different properties that are very difficult to reconcile,
which is the most important to You,
distance or joy playing a fish,...
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Got to be honest here, I believe that to be nonsense.
Sure, through action rods are great for a bend in the rod, but I can play fish just as well on my Trebuchet Lites as I do with my 9ft Dymag 2 3/4 rods. The difference between the two is I can haul a large weedbed in with the Trebuchets and also *play* fish on them and control fish with my big rods. With powerful rods, you don't have to drag fish out, just let them do their thing.
I actually prefer to play fish on my Trebuchets than my smaller rods. And all that cobblers about hook pulls, that's exactly what it is, cobblers. I've had hook pulls on my North Western 1 3/4lb glass through action rods which wasn't down to the rod, or my playing.style, it's down to a poor hook hold - lightly hooked...
Got to be honest here, I believe that to be nonsense.
Sure, through action rods are great for a bend in the rod, but I can play fish just as well on my Trebuchet Lites as I do with my 9ft Dymag 2 3/4 rods. The difference between the two is I can haul a large weedbed in with the Trebuchets and also *play* fish on them and control fish with my big rods. With powerful rods, you don't have to drag fish out, just let them do their thing.
I actually prefer to play fish on my Trebuchets than my smaller rods. And all that cobblers about hook pulls, that's exactly what it is, cobblers. I've had hook pulls on my North Western 1 3/4lb glass through action rods which wasn't down to the rod, or my playing.style, it's down to a poor hook hold - lightly hooked...
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I think you'd be surprised at how much force your actually applying with the trebs vs the light rods, yeh it seems like the trebs are "more powerful" because they're hardly bent by the weed bed you're cranking in, but the truth is the bendy rods are applying much more force. A rod is just a stick, it has no power, and the shorter the stick, the less effort is required to apply the same force at the other end.
My 13ft spod rod can cast a bloody long way, but a 6oz spod feels like 25kgs at the end of that stick
I think you'd be surprised at how much force your actually applying with the trebs vs the light rods, yeh it seems like the trebs are "more powerful" because they're hardly bent by the weed bed you're cranking in, but the truth is the bendy rods are applying much more force. A rod is just a stick, it has no power, and the shorter the stick, the less effort is required to apply the same force at the other end.
My 13ft spod rod can cast a bloody long way, but a 6oz spod feels like 25kgs at the end of that stick
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You make some good points duggs. There was a bivvy TV video I was watching where they tested fast taper rods vs smaller lb through action rods. The less powerful rods actually applied more pressure. The most powerful rod was a fly rod.
I feel much more confident in having my Trebs doubled over pulling in a weedbed as apposed to my little Dymags, so much so, if I was to exert what *feels* like massive pressure on my Dymags like I would with my Trebs, I'd snap them in half.
You make some good points duggs. There was a bivvy TV video I was watching where they tested fast taper rods vs smaller lb through action rods. The less powerful rods actually applied more pressure. The most powerful rod was a fly rod.
I feel much more confident in having my Trebs doubled over pulling in a weedbed as apposed to my little Dymags, so much so, if I was to exert what *feels* like massive pressure on my Dymags like I would with my Trebs, I'd snap them in half.
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That's the illusion of power there, I'd wager if we had a tug of war, your trebs vs my multi carp and centrepin you'd be flat rodded while I'm still winding the reel easily.
A bailiff actually pulled me up once for using that rod with a pin on a lake with cats up to 80lb, I got him to tie his line to a bucket and I'd fill it till he couldn't lift it with his 3.5tc rods, then I tied my 2.25 rod to it and lifted it easily
He walked off in a huff, then laughed his head off the next day when my thumb was one huge blister from trying to stop two 50+ cats from finding the snags
That's the illusion of power there, I'd wager if we had a tug of war, your trebs vs my multi carp and centrepin you'd be flat rodded while I'm still winding the reel easily.
A bailiff actually pulled me up once for using that rod with a pin on a lake with cats up to 80lb, I got him to tie his line to a bucket and I'd fill it till he couldn't lift it with his 3.5tc rods, then I tied my 2.25 rod to it and lifted it easily
He walked off in a huff, then laughed his head off the next day when my thumb was one huge blister from trying to stop two 50+ cats from finding the snags
In reply to Post #12
Yeah, you are right that the through action is more powerful, as proven by the video I was watching that I mentioned. Obviously there's a reason why big cat guys use 5lb through action instead of nutty spod rods 👍
When I mentioned 'cobblers' previously, what I was trying to get over is that rods like I've got that are designed to cast big distances can be great to play fish on. A mate of mine kept saying they'd be awful to play fish, I've found the total opposite, love um 😁
Yeah, you are right that the through action is more powerful, as proven by the video I was watching that I mentioned. Obviously there's a reason why big cat guys use 5lb through action instead of nutty spod rods 👍
When I mentioned 'cobblers' previously, what I was trying to get over is that rods like I've got that are designed to cast big distances can be great to play fish on. A mate of mine kept saying they'd be awful to play fish, I've found the total opposite, love um 😁
In reply to Post #13
It doesn't feel awful to play a fish with distance rods for the reason Duggs gave, the fish is actually playing you while you basically hold on and apply 4.5lb or less of force.
I've got a rod that'll pull about 15, I snapped off flies with 20lb fluoro and ended up using 80
It's nothing to do with high or low test curve. One rod may bend only near its tip to 90 degrees with 2.5lb and retain length with a stiff butt section, the other bends over with 3.5lb.. the one which becomes the shortest will pull the hardest.
When they winch anything it's directly to a drum, not pumped and wound with a crane. Every inch of rod we use automatically decreases pulling power. It may give you something with which to pump and wind for pleasure, propel things and cushion lunges, but when the you hook a tree or something and pull for a break you pull straight through the guides. All this talk of power is irrelevant, flatten a pellet waggler rod and a sw spinning reel with 60lb braid and bend into the first 2 or 3 inches in front of the reel... it won't break because it's not really bent, voila you can tarpon fish with a float rod
It doesn't feel awful to play a fish with distance rods for the reason Duggs gave, the fish is actually playing you while you basically hold on and apply 4.5lb or less of force.
I've got a rod that'll pull about 15, I snapped off flies with 20lb fluoro and ended up using 80
It's nothing to do with high or low test curve. One rod may bend only near its tip to 90 degrees with 2.5lb and retain length with a stiff butt section, the other bends over with 3.5lb.. the one which becomes the shortest will pull the hardest.
When they winch anything it's directly to a drum, not pumped and wound with a crane. Every inch of rod we use automatically decreases pulling power. It may give you something with which to pump and wind for pleasure, propel things and cushion lunges, but when the you hook a tree or something and pull for a break you pull straight through the guides. All this talk of power is irrelevant, flatten a pellet waggler rod and a sw spinning reel with 60lb braid and bend into the first 2 or 3 inches in front of the reel... it won't break because it's not really bent, voila you can tarpon fish with a float rod
In reply to Post #1
Horses for courses - I can cast further and more accurately with 12ft rods. Had some 13' for a couple of years and never quite jelled with them. A good casting technique is what you need, rather than a few more inches
Horses for courses - I can cast further and more accurately with 12ft rods. Had some 13' for a couple of years and never quite jelled with them. A good casting technique is what you need, rather than a few more inches