Im tinkering with a nut mix and am conscious of its fat content. Ideally I want a bait that works well with minimal tweaks all year round but am unsure if I need to worry too much about its fat content. Any suggestions on keeping the fat content down when using nut meals and milks?
In reply to Post #1
I use Baf's peanut pro , 50% protein and only 12% fat , very low for a peanut protein rest of my mix is mainly low fat carbs and milks so it's well balanced
I use Baf's peanut pro , 50% protein and only 12% fat , very low for a peanut protein rest of my mix is mainly low fat carbs and milks so it's well balanced
In reply to Post #2
Thats going in my bait too
Thats going in my bait too
In reply to Post #1
Can i ask just why the fat content would matter to you?
Is it the fact of the colder months are supposedly an area of contention where the use of lipids/fats are considered a no go area in bait production?
The only reason i ask is for the mere fact that in nature virtually ALL animals seek high fat foods due to the fact that they are a prime energy and insulating source and spares the essential protein so that it can be used for growth and repair. Carp love fats.........They WILL eat them all year round.
Can i ask just why the fat content would matter to you?
Is it the fact of the colder months are supposedly an area of contention where the use of lipids/fats are considered a no go area in bait production?
The only reason i ask is for the mere fact that in nature virtually ALL animals seek high fat foods due to the fact that they are a prime energy and insulating source and spares the essential protein so that it can be used for growth and repair. Carp love fats.........They WILL eat them all year round.
In reply to Post #4
Dean
Personally I think the only limitation of high fat baits is our human mind and that old carp digestibility debate saying no, but finding out mother natures carp says yes.
They should not work, but time and time again they bring results, when the better designed / suited / banker lower fat baits don't produce.
Then secondly
The problem with high fat baits without careful consideration of quality binders is getting them to mix up nicely, roll and not fall apart and behave on a rolling table by hand, or in automated extenders and rolling machines.
You know those test mixes that makes you go
Or 
Dean
Personally I think the only limitation of high fat baits is our human mind and that old carp digestibility debate saying no, but finding out mother natures carp says yes.
They should not work, but time and time again they bring results, when the better designed / suited / banker lower fat baits don't produce.
Then secondly
The problem with high fat baits without careful consideration of quality binders is getting them to mix up nicely, roll and not fall apart and behave on a rolling table by hand, or in automated extenders and rolling machines.
You know those test mixes that makes you go
Or 
In reply to Post #2
What i know of bait making you could write on the back of a postage stamp.
But from reading various sources on here i know BAF are a well respected supplier.
One thing that struck me though is that BAF state 50% Protein and 12% Fat in their product.
But if you Google "Peanut Nutritional Value" then several sources state that it is scientifically recognised that Peanut is approximately 49% Fat and 26% Protein etc.
So that makes me question what BAF's supplier are putting in their product because it must be mixed with something else other than Peanut to achieve those nutritional values.
What i know of bait making you could write on the back of a postage stamp.
But from reading various sources on here i know BAF are a well respected supplier.
One thing that struck me though is that BAF state 50% Protein and 12% Fat in their product.
But if you Google "Peanut Nutritional Value" then several sources state that it is scientifically recognised that Peanut is approximately 49% Fat and 26% Protein etc.
So that makes me question what BAF's supplier are putting in their product because it must be mixed with something else other than Peanut to achieve those nutritional values.
In reply to Post #6
...or oil is extracted from the nuts and the BAF peanut meal is made from the byproduct
...or oil is extracted from the nuts and the BAF peanut meal is made from the byproduct
In reply to Post #7
Thank you
Thank you
In reply to Post #6
Also be mindful that the nuts are roasted before being ground which will remove a small amount of oil and improve flavour.
Oh yes Darren, i know exactly what you are talking about with those 
mixes. 
Also be mindful that the nuts are roasted before being ground which will remove a small amount of oil and improve flavour.
Oh yes Darren, i know exactly what you are talking about with those
mixes.
In reply to Post #9
I feel your pain Dean.
It is bad enough getting a 1 egg mix or a 1lb trial mix of mine wrong,
I feel your pain Dean.
It is bad enough getting a 1 egg mix or a 1lb trial mix of mine wrong,
If high fat nuts are so effective, why worry too much about keeping boilie fat contents so low?
In reply to Post #11
With Nuts you cannot change their crunchy texture and oil content which is their biggest asset.
TBH the biggest benefit with boilies is that you can adjust it to be, higher protein, more soluble, soft or firm or like rock hard, whatever you want it to be.
A lower fat boilie diet is better long term for our carp.
With Nuts you cannot change their crunchy texture and oil content which is their biggest asset.
TBH the biggest benefit with boilies is that you can adjust it to be, higher protein, more soluble, soft or firm or like rock hard, whatever you want it to be.
A lower fat boilie diet is better long term for our carp.
In reply to Post #12
Thanks for the reply Scaley. Yes indeed, any fat not utilised as energy would be stored as fat within the fish. It would therefore be quite worrying if a commercial “high fat” boilie was released for Joe Bloggs and his mates to purchase and deploy kgs into waters. However, a home bait maker has the option to quite easily produce a high fat boilie. Such could be used in moderation with fish welfare in mind, and potentially provide some degree of edge.
Thanks for the reply Scaley. Yes indeed, any fat not utilised as energy would be stored as fat within the fish. It would therefore be quite worrying if a commercial “high fat” boilie was released for Joe Bloggs and his mates to purchase and deploy kgs into waters. However, a home bait maker has the option to quite easily produce a high fat boilie. Such could be used in moderation with fish welfare in mind, and potentially provide some degree of edge.
In reply to Post #13
There already is a ‘high fat boilie', a large halibut pellet. Spodded out by the bucket load in some lakes.
But boilies, especially decent quality ones, because they cost more, people think 🤔 before chucking loads in.
Oils and fats used sensibly in baits can be attractive, tasty, and useful. and help utilise protein digestion more effectively.
It is a balancing act, like most things, to achieve your desired end result in your own angling or bait making.
There already is a ‘high fat boilie', a large halibut pellet. Spodded out by the bucket load in some lakes.
But boilies, especially decent quality ones, because they cost more, people think 🤔 before chucking loads in.
Oils and fats used sensibly in baits can be attractive, tasty, and useful. and help utilise protein digestion more effectively.
It is a balancing act, like most things, to achieve your desired end result in your own angling or bait making.
I've always thought that fat / lipids were ok in the summer but act as a binder in cold water. For me attraction has to be the first imperative. Nutrition is a secondary element of a good bait. Catch them first. Feed them second.