In reply to Post #1392
I really wish you wouldn't post on this thread. You literally add nothing of value.
I really wish you wouldn't post on this thread. You literally add nothing of value.
In reply to Post #1384
Quote - You essentially make a claim that the vaccine/vaccines are our only route out of this, this isn't true at all. It's been proven that natural immunity is far superior to these trial drugs simply because with natural immunity you get the full virus which your T cells are then programmed to respond to the virus when it next detects it, unlike the trial drug whereby you only get a very small portion of the virus, hence limited/rapidly waining Immunity.
T cells are basically your immune systems memory bank, they are brilliant at dealing with viruses but you will need to have a previous infection. So although your right T cells are good, but for the vulnerable or elderly a jab would be better for them... then get infected
Quote - You essentially make a claim that the vaccine/vaccines are our only route out of this, this isn't true at all. It's been proven that natural immunity is far superior to these trial drugs simply because with natural immunity you get the full virus which your T cells are then programmed to respond to the virus when it next detects it, unlike the trial drug whereby you only get a very small portion of the virus, hence limited/rapidly waining Immunity.
T cells are basically your immune systems memory bank, they are brilliant at dealing with viruses but you will need to have a previous infection. So although your right T cells are good, but for the vulnerable or elderly a jab would be better for them... then get infected
In reply to Post #1392
As I said, you're the one that's going to need to work hard to convince me. Just flinging random questions into the mix certainly isn't going to achieve that.
As I said, you're the one that's going to need to work hard to convince me. Just flinging random questions into the mix certainly isn't going to achieve that.
In reply to Post #1384
Tories have written about their desire to privatise the NHS. As have donors, backers and right wing, libertarian demagogues. Not to mention former Tory PM John Major saying that the current mob can't be trusted with the NHS.
Your second paragraph is errant nonsense.
There are studies that show vaccines give better immunity than infection without the risk of having to become infected. Have you read them?
Tories have written about their desire to privatise the NHS. As have donors, backers and right wing, libertarian demagogues. Not to mention former Tory PM John Major saying that the current mob can't be trusted with the NHS.
Your second paragraph is errant nonsense.
There are studies that show vaccines give better immunity than infection without the risk of having to become infected. Have you read them?
In reply to Post #1384
So contracting a potentially fatal virus with no protection in the hope of developing a natural immunity (which is a generous assumption given the evidence that you can definitely catch this more than once, but let's go with it), is a better option than a vaccine that significantly reduces 1 the likelihood of contracting the virus, 2 severity of illness 3 likelihood of death and 4 your chances of transmission to others.. .?
Asking for 150,000 plus friends
So contracting a potentially fatal virus with no protection in the hope of developing a natural immunity (which is a generous assumption given the evidence that you can definitely catch this more than once, but let's go with it), is a better option than a vaccine that significantly reduces 1 the likelihood of contracting the virus, 2 severity of illness 3 likelihood of death and 4 your chances of transmission to others.. .?
Asking for 150,000 plus friends
In reply to Post #1396
1: Please show me where they've said this, where it's written. I won't deny that the NHS hasn't been hollowed out over successive governments, be that Labour or Conservatives. I'll point you to previous posts I've made in this thread where I've said 'they're all the same'.
2: Hardly nonsense. Makes perfect sense, that is unless you've an agenda.
3: I have read CDC reports that claim that vaccinations are the only solution, which clearly isn't true at all given evidence to the contrary. But then there's this that totally refutes such claims--> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
1: Please show me where they've said this, where it's written. I won't deny that the NHS hasn't been hollowed out over successive governments, be that Labour or Conservatives. I'll point you to previous posts I've made in this thread where I've said 'they're all the same'.
2: Hardly nonsense. Makes perfect sense, that is unless you've an agenda.
3: I have read CDC reports that claim that vaccinations are the only solution, which clearly isn't true at all given evidence to the contrary. But then there's this that totally refutes such claims--> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
In reply to Post #1397
Let's see what you're saying in a few years time.We could be having a similar conversation about 1000's dying due to the vaccines not being safe in the first place
Let's see what you're saying in a few years time.We could be having a similar conversation about 1000's dying due to the vaccines not being safe in the first place
In reply to Post #1399
Well... I guess that's a possibility
But I believe that for the overwhelming majority of people, it's the safer option
I accept that some people have fears about the speed of development but the approach to working on this vaccine is unprecedented in terms of resources, finances, scale, research teams...
Let's hope we're both here in a few years to discuss it eh?
Well... I guess that's a possibility
But I believe that for the overwhelming majority of people, it's the safer option
I accept that some people have fears about the speed of development but the approach to working on this vaccine is unprecedented in terms of resources, finances, scale, research teams...
Let's hope we're both here in a few years to discuss it eh?
In reply to Post #1398
Do your own research.
Do your own research.
In reply to Post #1401
Then come on here and check the sources are credible
Then come on here and check the sources are credible
In reply to Post #1397
My tale is anecdotal; I've not had the vaccine at all and I'm fine, as are millions of others in the U.K that are in a similar position to me.
Thing is with all of this, and I know I'm going over old ground here, there are alternatives to the vaccine, Ivermectin has been proven to reliably reduce severe effects of Covid from what I gather. I don't know what is happening over here as to why Ivermectin isn't being used as a substitute to vaccinations, though it seems given the massive insensitives that are being handed out to hospitals over in America to use anything but Ivermectin, money is the real driver Ivermectin is being ignored and suppressed.
An interesting aside: Hospitals in the US via government agency guidelines have only two treatments for Covid, those being Remdesivir which shuts down your kidneys (think it's the kidneys) and floods your lungs with liquid, and ventilators. Now, it turns out that when patients die following the guidence, there's hospitals that are being payed nearly 350,000. I'm not suggesting a death cult conspiracy, no, not at all, what I'm saying given the evidence I've seen from US hospital and government documents that if hospitals follow specific government process, they, the hospitals get huge monies as an incentive. Go look it up yourself; it's a real eye opener.
My tale is anecdotal; I've not had the vaccine at all and I'm fine, as are millions of others in the U.K that are in a similar position to me.
Thing is with all of this, and I know I'm going over old ground here, there are alternatives to the vaccine, Ivermectin has been proven to reliably reduce severe effects of Covid from what I gather. I don't know what is happening over here as to why Ivermectin isn't being used as a substitute to vaccinations, though it seems given the massive insensitives that are being handed out to hospitals over in America to use anything but Ivermectin, money is the real driver Ivermectin is being ignored and suppressed.
An interesting aside: Hospitals in the US via government agency guidelines have only two treatments for Covid, those being Remdesivir which shuts down your kidneys (think it's the kidneys) and floods your lungs with liquid, and ventilators. Now, it turns out that when patients die following the guidence, there's hospitals that are being payed nearly 350,000. I'm not suggesting a death cult conspiracy, no, not at all, what I'm saying given the evidence I've seen from US hospital and government documents that if hospitals follow specific government process, they, the hospitals get huge monies as an incentive. Go look it up yourself; it's a real eye opener.
In reply to Post #1400
Something that I heard that was heartening was from Robert Malone when asked why he thinks some have bad reactions to the vax and some don't. Malone opinion is that some create huge amounts of spike proteins that lead to blockages, and some some don't, the former being the ones that have problems. The way I'm looking at it given what he's saying is that if you've been fine so far, more than likely you'll be fine in the long run, I hope that's true
I'll agree with you that what you're saying is a reasonable, rational observation of what's gone on, but there's a but, the but being why the reaction, not just here, all across the globe. Something worth searching out is a recent WHO whistleblower that points to exactly why the reaction and who was directing that reaction...spoiler alert... It was Dr Bill Gates all along. Just follow it up, I dare you, it's proper jaw dropping. Shady as f4ck.
Something that I heard that was heartening was from Robert Malone when asked why he thinks some have bad reactions to the vax and some don't. Malone opinion is that some create huge amounts of spike proteins that lead to blockages, and some some don't, the former being the ones that have problems. The way I'm looking at it given what he's saying is that if you've been fine so far, more than likely you'll be fine in the long run, I hope that's true
I'll agree with you that what you're saying is a reasonable, rational observation of what's gone on, but there's a but, the but being why the reaction, not just here, all across the globe. Something worth searching out is a recent WHO whistleblower that points to exactly why the reaction and who was directing that reaction...spoiler alert... It was Dr Bill Gates all along. Just follow it up, I dare you, it's proper jaw dropping. Shady as f4ck.
In reply to Post #1401
Thought it was cobblers that you were on about. Point proven
Thought it was cobblers that you were on about. Point proven
WHO whistleblower...
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HZ94izRdfvnW/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HZ94izRdfvnW/
In reply to Post #1400
Very true
Very true