In reply to Post #110
Yeah I know about the cormorants, but the licenses are pitiful. Local club counted 80 around the site in a space of two days. I believe 30+ at one time. annual license of 3 per year. Might as well not bother.
I signed it, but I do know it will go nowhere because it's a waste of space on a webpage. But I know the real situation is that without actual population numbers the lethal control is unlikely to occur, and you cant really count otter numbers at all for various reasons. We are years off the right research being conducted to show the devastation to the entire ecosystem. We are also a long way off all the organisations with actual political clout coming together for once and putting aside differences to tackle the issue.
Yeah I know about the cormorants, but the licenses are pitiful. Local club counted 80 around the site in a space of two days. I believe 30+ at one time. annual license of 3 per year. Might as well not bother.
I signed it, but I do know it will go nowhere because it's a waste of space on a webpage. But I know the real situation is that without actual population numbers the lethal control is unlikely to occur, and you cant really count otter numbers at all for various reasons. We are years off the right research being conducted to show the devastation to the entire ecosystem. We are also a long way off all the organisations with actual political clout coming together for once and putting aside differences to tackle the issue.
In reply to Post #112
I agree mate
Otter counts can be done at the cost of millions...plus they don't really want us to know numbers as that would be a bigger case for a judicial review ...of which would cost thousands of pounds to even get tread in court.
RSPB etc won't address it publically as they are a huge money driven organisation that will play of fluffy things. They just put up huge fences instead!
For the record ...I personally believe otters are far too over protected...! And we are in need of more up to date information on the damage they cause to the environment...and I'm not just talking fishing...fact is today, they are in every county of England, they are seen regually in towns and villages...road kills are well up on previous years and Cardiff have such a back log of dead otters to test for cause of death, it will take the a year to get through them
I agree mate
Otter counts can be done at the cost of millions...plus they don't really want us to know numbers as that would be a bigger case for a judicial review ...of which would cost thousands of pounds to even get tread in court.
RSPB etc won't address it publically as they are a huge money driven organisation that will play of fluffy things. They just put up huge fences instead!
For the record ...I personally believe otters are far too over protected...! And we are in need of more up to date information on the damage they cause to the environment...and I'm not just talking fishing...fact is today, they are in every county of England, they are seen regually in towns and villages...road kills are well up on previous years and Cardiff have such a back log of dead otters to test for cause of death, it will take the a year to get through them
In reply to Post #112
I agree, the chances of this actually going anywhere is slim, but what is has done is to voice the massive concern anglers and lake owners have regarding otters. I suspect this is just the start, and no doubt in the coming years there will be more stuff like this, the issue will never go away without some form of intervention.
I agree, the chances of this actually going anywhere is slim, but what is has done is to voice the massive concern anglers and lake owners have regarding otters. I suspect this is just the start, and no doubt in the coming years there will be more stuff like this, the issue will never go away without some form of intervention.
In reply to Post #1
I have been following all these threads with a lot of interest, it seems to me the only "in roads" to this problem of predation is political and we need organisations like the PAG to fight for us! but they need funds imagine if all 4000 of those signatures had donated say £10 to the cause we are all so highly strung about! It would make a massive impact and wouldnt break any of our banks! Voicing our concerns is great but we need it taking further than on here and donating is the only way to do it!
Get donating!
I have been following all these threads with a lot of interest, it seems to me the only "in roads" to this problem of predation is political and we need organisations like the PAG to fight for us! but they need funds imagine if all 4000 of those signatures had donated say £10 to the cause we are all so highly strung about! It would make a massive impact and wouldnt break any of our banks! Voicing our concerns is great but we need it taking further than on here and donating is the only way to do it!
Get donating!
In reply to Post #115
I very much doubt you will get many people donating £10 to the PAG, years ago on other forums, maybe on here too, there was much heated debate about Angling Trust membership.
It amused me that most of the moaners didn't bat an eye on spending hundreds / thousands on fishing gear but were not prepared to fork out £25 a year for AT membership at the time.
Just for info I think the RSPB annual income is around the £100M mark, puts it in perspective really.
I very much doubt you will get many people donating £10 to the PAG, years ago on other forums, maybe on here too, there was much heated debate about Angling Trust membership.
It amused me that most of the moaners didn't bat an eye on spending hundreds / thousands on fishing gear but were not prepared to fork out £25 a year for AT membership at the time.
Just for info I think the RSPB annual income is around the £100M mark, puts it in perspective really.
In reply to Post #115
I've donated to the PAG recently, I also used to be a payed up member of the Angling Trust I have also paid into the carp society for a good many years I like to think my small donations were making a difference but 40'000 grand wouldn't go very far based on your numbers.
I would without question pay an extra 10 or 20 pounds a year on my rod licences if the money was distributed at non profit to help fence course fisheries or restock them rather than get gobbled up into reintroduction of Salmon fry or runs and spawning grounds of which is no direct benefit to my angling they can distribute that monies from the 82 pound salmon license money shouldn't be to difficult to work out.
I've donated to the PAG recently, I also used to be a payed up member of the Angling Trust I have also paid into the carp society for a good many years I like to think my small donations were making a difference but 40'000 grand wouldn't go very far based on your numbers.
I would without question pay an extra 10 or 20 pounds a year on my rod licences if the money was distributed at non profit to help fence course fisheries or restock them rather than get gobbled up into reintroduction of Salmon fry or runs and spawning grounds of which is no direct benefit to my angling they can distribute that monies from the 82 pound salmon license money shouldn't be to difficult to work out.
Would most definitely donate for the cause, if it helped those in need!
In reply to Post #114
We find a common ground Mr Barbel at last.
I'm 110% in support of raising the profile of the damage cause by otters...BUT..it has to be done correctly, factually, non confrontaionaly ..or we will NEVER be listened too..
If it wasn't for the the efforts of the UKWOT, the trapping licence wouldnt have ever happened..FACT
We find a common ground Mr Barbel at last.
I'm 110% in support of raising the profile of the damage cause by otters...BUT..it has to be done correctly, factually, non confrontaionaly ..or we will NEVER be listened too..
If it wasn't for the the efforts of the UKWOT, the trapping licence wouldnt have ever happened..FACT
In reply to Post #117
Donations also need a clear goal mate...I recently said the same...every angler donate to a cause to help...we need to define what help as we will no doubt have serious debates about where it should be spent.
Donations also need a clear goal mate...I recently said the same...every angler donate to a cause to help...we need to define what help as we will no doubt have serious debates about where it should be spent.
In reply to Post #120
don't think the use of any donations should be spent on the political fight tbh. It would be wasted unless there was millions available.
Much better to spend it on fencing...but then you have the debate on where and why and that some will see no benefit, etc.
don't think the use of any donations should be spent on the political fight tbh. It would be wasted unless there was millions available.
Much better to spend it on fencing...but then you have the debate on where and why and that some will see no benefit, etc.
In reply to Post #121
Exactly
Exactly
In reply to Post #121
We have no chance of raising sufficient money for fencing. Funds would be wiped out by just a handful of lakes. I'm afraid that it is the political campaign that needs funding.
Social media is Crazy today regarding otters. I sense a sea change. I sense that many are not going to accept the current plight.
We have no chance of raising sufficient money for fencing. Funds would be wiped out by just a handful of lakes. I'm afraid that it is the political campaign that needs funding.
Social media is Crazy today regarding otters. I sense a sea change. I sense that many are not going to accept the current plight.
In reply to Post #122
There is an official response from the barbel society on their facebook page if anyone is interested.
It's too long to type, and I can't figure out a way to copy and paste off my phone
There is an official response from the barbel society on their facebook page if anyone is interested.
It's too long to type, and I can't figure out a way to copy and paste off my phone
In reply to Post #123
Exactly we can't fence rivers.
Exactly we can't fence rivers.
In reply to Post #125
Or most lakes, canals, meres, reservoirs etc.
I'm not going to fish in a bloody zoo, behind bars, I can assure you.
Or most lakes, canals, meres, reservoirs etc.
I'm not going to fish in a bloody zoo, behind bars, I can assure you.