In reply to Post #75
Not if you go by what Dave Moore says - unless you know different?
Not if you go by what Dave Moore says - unless you know different?
In reply to Post #78
Show me where Dave Moore states BFM is exactly the same / isn't able to be improved with new ingredients and also where he says nutrabaits still use the trigga products? Now please?
Show me where Dave Moore states BFM is exactly the same / isn't able to be improved with new ingredients and also where he says nutrabaits still use the trigga products? Now please?
In reply to Post #79
Was just talking about BFM. Listen to the carp chronicles podcast pt2. It would be over £25 per kilo if he tried to make it now to the same recipie. As far as he was concerned, it was a milk protein bait with a bit of fishmeal.
It would be a totally different bait if you tried to make it now, not an improved one.
Interesting chat about hydro's as well.
Was just talking about BFM. Listen to the carp chronicles podcast pt2. It would be over £25 per kilo if he tried to make it now to the same recipie. As far as he was concerned, it was a milk protein bait with a bit of fishmeal.
It would be a totally different bait if you tried to make it now, not an improved one.
Interesting chat about hydro's as well.
In reply to Post #75
The BFM certainly isn't a superior bait to what it was back then simply because some of the ingredients used are unavailable and that's from Dave himself. The BFM these days is a *******ised version to make it cheaper to produce, Dave said it would probably cost somewhere in the region on £24 a kilo to produce now. Yes there has been huge improvements with ingredients since then but also a monumental price increase on everything!.
The BFM certainly isn't a superior bait to what it was back then simply because some of the ingredients used are unavailable and that's from Dave himself. The BFM these days is a *******ised version to make it cheaper to produce, Dave said it would probably cost somewhere in the region on £24 a kilo to produce now. Yes there has been huge improvements with ingredients since then but also a monumental price increase on everything!.
In reply to Post #81
Interesting and with the milks at high levels I can understand that, plus the price of Robin red
I believe it had Acid Casein in it and possibly lactalbumin, can't remember and i no longer have an old tub knocking around now?
Fishmeal were a mix to expand the amino acid levels I believe, a lot cheaper than LT94 i guess?
Interesting and with the milks at high levels I can understand that, plus the price of Robin red
I believe it had Acid Casein in it and possibly lactalbumin, can't remember and i no longer have an old tub knocking around now?
Fishmeal were a mix to expand the amino acid levels I believe, a lot cheaper than LT94 i guess?
In reply to Post #82
Acid casein - 100 mesh Danish
Nutrapro. Their version of West German lactalbumin substitute, actually WPC80 I think
Nutralac. Their version of lamlac or vitamealo
LT94 wasn't a known high end fishmeal to the masses back them, if it was even available.
Just remember the common ones.
Pre digested fishmeal was still hush hush.
Yes the standard fishmeals were a lot cheaper than they are now, for sure.
Got a catalogue for a supplier somewhere and the Provimi 66 was £14 a 25kg sack, retail, not trade, now it is £43 to £50 a sack!
Acid casein - 100 mesh Danish
Nutrapro. Their version of West German lactalbumin substitute, actually WPC80 I think
Nutralac. Their version of lamlac or vitamealo
LT94 wasn't a known high end fishmeal to the masses back them, if it was even available.
Just remember the common ones.
Pre digested fishmeal was still hush hush.
Yes the standard fishmeals were a lot cheaper than they are now, for sure.
Got a catalogue for a supplier somewhere and the Provimi 66 was £14 a 25kg sack, retail, not trade, now it is £43 to £50 a sack!
In reply to Post #83
Dave gives the recipe in the podcast - didn't originally have nutralac and nutrapro in it. Maybe that was a cost cutting measure down the line.
Tbh he wasn't that complimentary about many of their baits!
Dave gives the recipe in the podcast - didn't originally have nutralac and nutrapro in it. Maybe that was a cost cutting measure down the line.
Tbh he wasn't that complimentary about many of their baits!
In reply to Post #80
The original BFM mix, decades old, is a basic fishmeal mix?
The original BFM mix, decades old, is a basic fishmeal mix?
In reply to Post #81
Fishmeals, milks, cereals are all superior to what they were back then. Fact. I was advising the guy, not entering into a discussion about what's said in a podcast. It would completely contradict what I've heard from Dave before?. I spoke in-depth Dave as a kid at a show or slide show can't remember which and he confirmed the original recipe to me. Nut flax and nutrapro are just rebadged milks.
Fishmeals, milks, cereals are all superior to what they were back then. Fact. I was advising the guy, not entering into a discussion about what's said in a podcast. It would completely contradict what I've heard from Dave before?. I spoke in-depth Dave as a kid at a show or slide show can't remember which and he confirmed the original recipe to me. Nut flax and nutrapro are just rebadged milks.
In reply to Post #83
The LT94 was a cost comparison. It had cheaper fish meals in it, herring etc.
Based on the cost increases comments, has to be the milk fractions for me. Saying that, I guess everything has gone up since it's original conception!!!
I can see where Mozzi is coming from, by adding LT94 for example and pre-digested etc
The LT94 was a cost comparison. It had cheaper fish meals in it, herring etc.
Based on the cost increases comments, has to be the milk fractions for me. Saying that, I guess everything has gone up since it's original conception!!!
I can see where Mozzi is coming from, by adding LT94 for example and pre-digested etc
In reply to Post #84
Do you have the list of ingredients or do we have to start searching podcasts?
Do you have the list of ingredients or do we have to start searching podcasts?
In reply to Post #86
Listen to the podcast. He gives the recipe and states the milks used, and it wasn't nutralac/nutrapro.
I like the way you ask for proof, two people give it, and because it contradicts what you said you're “not entering into a discussion about what's said in a podcast” 😂. You stated use BFM as it must be better as “ s this mix can only be superior to when it was first made due to improvements in the original ingredients I.e low temperature fishmeals”, but the person who invented it says otherwise.
Yes, you can get “better” fish meals, but are milks any better? If you listen to it Dave even addresses that, and hydro milks. But why let facts get in the way.....
Listen to the podcast. He gives the recipe and states the milks used, and it wasn't nutralac/nutrapro.
I like the way you ask for proof, two people give it, and because it contradicts what you said you're “not entering into a discussion about what's said in a podcast” 😂. You stated use BFM as it must be better as “ s this mix can only be superior to when it was first made due to improvements in the original ingredients I.e low temperature fishmeals”, but the person who invented it says otherwise.
Yes, you can get “better” fish meals, but are milks any better? If you listen to it Dave even addresses that, and hydro milks. But why let facts get in the way.....
In reply to Post #88
Sorry, didn't write it down whilst I was driving. Think it was
Rennet, 30 mesh, lactalbumin, calcium caseinate, sluis clo, robin red, sardine&anchovy, white fish meal, capelin meal, kelp meal. Might have dreamt the kelp, but we were all using it in fishmeals back then.
It's the milks being so expensive now, plus you can't get proper sluis or robin red that mean the current bait can't be anything like the old one, and not as good. His words, not mine.
Sorry, didn't write it down whilst I was driving. Think it was
Rennet, 30 mesh, lactalbumin, calcium caseinate, sluis clo, robin red, sardine&anchovy, white fish meal, capelin meal, kelp meal. Might have dreamt the kelp, but we were all using it in fishmeals back then.
It's the milks being so expensive now, plus you can't get proper sluis or robin red that mean the current bait can't be anything like the old one, and not as good. His words, not mine.
In reply to Post #89
I think rather than DM stating he invented the BFM he actually stated he added the fishmeals to a Nutrabaits milk protein bait that already existed which I believe he said in his opinion improved a mix of milks that were already available.
Also when asked by Sam "milk and birds" fish and milks" etc.. which one would he choose to use if he could only pick one for the rest of his days his response was milks going by his own results
He was also indulging in a 72 pint keg with Sam and Pete and this was in the part two episode so possibly a little bit fuggy in the head to remember back to the late 80's early 90's exactly everything from memory recall.
I think rather than DM stating he invented the BFM he actually stated he added the fishmeals to a Nutrabaits milk protein bait that already existed which I believe he said in his opinion improved a mix of milks that were already available.
Also when asked by Sam "milk and birds" fish and milks" etc.. which one would he choose to use if he could only pick one for the rest of his days his response was milks going by his own results
He was also indulging in a 72 pint keg with Sam and Pete and this was in the part two episode so possibly a little bit fuggy in the head to remember back to the late 80's early 90's exactly everything from memory recall.
In reply to Post #91
I think rather than DM stating he invented the BFM he actually stated he added the fishmeals to a Nutrabaits milk protein bait
It was actually a A2 BAITS a company he had involvement with Graham Cardroy and I personally think the other partner he couldn't remember was 'AA Brain'
The milk protein that started it all he said, was A2 Megamix, with added sardine/anchovy and other fishmeals,
MORE Milk protein content than fishmeals originally.
I think rather than DM stating he invented the BFM he actually stated he added the fishmeals to a Nutrabaits milk protein bait
It was actually a A2 BAITS a company he had involvement with Graham Cardroy and I personally think the other partner he couldn't remember was 'AA Brain'
The milk protein that started it all he said, was A2 Megamix, with added sardine/anchovy and other fishmeals,
MORE Milk protein content than fishmeals originally.