I very much doubt Scott Lloyd gives two hoots about a few frustrated old men on a creaking fishing forum mocking his vocabulary. I doubt this strange and irrelevant little world even exists to him.

It is good to know that we have some experts in juvenile mental health in the house though.

No young person going into social media marketing will be naive to the fact it comes with negative feedback, often cruel. It's always been that way. Scott is smart lad, I'm sure he also knew that.

There is a choice. Keep your fishing private, do a private job, enjoy your fishing and buy your own bait and tackle. Or publicise your fishing, put your life out into the public domain, take sponsorships and get cheap or free bait and tackle and maybe even get paid to fish. You have to take the rough with the smooth of you choose the second way.

In reply to Post #61
Im no expert in juvenile mental health, but im an expert in my own childs wellbeing.

I do however have alot of experience in 16 - 19 yr old when conducting apprenticeships over an 18 month (ish) period and as part of OFSTED requirements we have to do safeguarding, wellbeing sessions, its quite scary at times what they tell us as a team of professional trainers regarding the impact of social media pressures and what they are exposed to these days.

negative feedback, along with positive feedback is one thing, out and out personal attacks are way out of control these days. As you state, social media, stay off them, none of them do, and that probably includes alot of adults also

OK, notwithstanding the hoo hah of mental health that this thread has evoked, and having said my tuppence worth, I decided to watch this film.

I thoroughly enjoyed it. Any of the idiosyncrasies of the angler faded into the background as I became sucked in by the story being told. Although I don't generally watch videos such as these, it did remind in the format it was presented in, of attending the old talks in rugby clubs and sports venues when a well known or famous ( are they really famous in the general scheme of things) anglers would do a talk, standing in front of the audience and using slides or latterly videos of the subject he was covering. I remember two of these being about a quest for a particular fish - Gaz Fareham and John McAllister. Very similar to this video but not as technically up to date with go pro cameras etc.

After a few initial posts on this thread it then veered off and the mental health issues debate started. Although initially it was link to the video maker it started to veer off to become a general discussion, specifically about youngsters and the effect of the internet. Let's just take a couple of steps back here and look at the the author of this video and see what there is to conclude. Firstly he would seem to be hardworking, initially as an employee then as a self employed person. That needs a certain amount of resilience and ambition. Secondly he has drive and determination, in this case to catch a certain fish. Thirdly he has enough intelligence and introspection to be able to work out that excessive behaviour has pitfalls, whether it be that excessive nights in the pub can lead to problems or excessive fishing can cause relationship issues. He does point out that he has a life outside angling and he has to balance this against the urge to succeed in catching his target fish. Fourthly he has got a good support network and a large group of friends behind him which doesn't seem to tie in with someone who never leaves his bedroom. Loved the bit where he phones his mum and her reaction.

So excellent video from a bloke I've never heard of . As I said being a well known angler and being on YouTube is my personal idea of Hell but I have no real issues with those who do, just a lack of understanding why would you want to.

As for mental health and any negative comment, or minor criticisms I think Mr Lloyd is in a good place to deal, ignore or laugh it off

In reply to Post #59
Quote... You make bait and sell it. Some people love it (many) and conversely I've read people say that it's a load of over hyped average gear. I'm sure you must have read the same?

Of course I have. Not from my customers, from people connected tribally or otherwise to other bait firms, on the internet. People like yourself.

Like you are making personal comments about Scott and it's all okay, you are now making comments about me and my work. I hope it brings you a little bit of joy. You did not answer what I asked you about if the boot was on the other foot and people were making personal comments about you, or maybe your wife or your daughter? Would that be ok? Would it be ok for seven blokes to tell your misses or your daughter, that she is ugly? It's their opinion, and according to you they can voice it. Like for like, as you are doing here.

Don't be so stupid. It will make your wife or your daughter feel like ****, for what? Does it make you feel better? You watched a video, you did not like the blokes vocabulary. So what? Keep that stuff to yourself. It's very easy. If you have nothing nice to say, it's often best to say nothing at all. You would hate it if people from your work environment were all on the internet making comments about you or your family. You would if you are not an idiot.

If you met Scott on the bank, you would lick his arris. Full stop. On the internet you make personal comments about the way he speaks.

That's your right as you say. You clearly cannot admit when you make a small mistake. We all make mistakes, me more than most. It speaks VOLUMES about you. You keep defending your right to make people feel bad on the internet.

We are not talking about Scott, or fishing anymore and have not been for ages.

We are talking about how social media affects young minds.

Some of you are obsessed with it being about famous anglers, or some fishing video. People 'asking for it' in other words.... There's a whole lot more to life than that. Kids use social media because it's the way they socialise.

Pack mentality descends. One personal comment, leads into far more. Comments started being made.... "It's a certain type of media, made by a certain type of person, for a certain type of people". WTF. Sounds like something from the KKK handbook. Now people want to justify that. If you was reading it about someone dear to you, it would make you upset. So why do it to others? If I watched some video of one of you and thought you or your family were ugly as sin.... I certainly would NEVER go on the internet and write that. I understand that it will cause harm. Words written on the internet stay there forever. It's not a throwaway comment... It stays there forever.

Some previous comments were correctly made by others, about this all being jealousy. It oozes out of certain people. You are watching a video of someone else fishing. You are not watching a video of yourself, because no one is in any way interested in you. That's what upsets you really. Deal with it. If it upsets you enough to write hurtful comments on the internet.... Try not watching the videos in the first place, maybe take up something you are good at, that actually makes you happy. Maybe someone will make a video of you. I hope no one then makes you sad because of it.

In reply to Post #33
Exactly this! I watched the video I did enjoy it wasn't the best I've watched but who cares still an enjoyable watch for me

Now I'm a bit confused

You say - “We are not talking about Scott, or fishing anymore and have not been for ages”

Sorry I thought I was replying about a thread on CarpForum in the General Carp Discussion section that was titled ‘Scott Lloyd - Sticky Reflection Story'

I was trying to put together a reasonable view of the topic, and other references referred to in the correct context


I can only presume that the rest of the post is a general rant and nothing to do with me as I haven't stated any of the accusations.

Anyway- ‘‘twas a nice video by a bloke who seems reasonably grounded and personable

In reply to Post #67
I replied directly to you, spoke to you very nicely mate. I have enjoyed these conversations. It's an important subject, that so many are totally clueless about. I was not referring to you in anyway shape or form.

I have spoken to everyone in this thread politely. Some people have got the ump about being highlighted for making stupid personal comments. Of course the thread was about Scott. But I personally have not been speaking about Scott for a long time. He clearly does not have any mental illness propagated by social media.

I am trying to explain that to some people on this thread, they cannot see past this being a carp fishing thing. It's not, it's a life thing. That anyone who steps forward deserves to be hung drawn and quartered. Famous angler, he gets free kit... "Hang him". Jeez.

Reality, Scott would have been asked/hassled to do the video because he is a very good angler. Is that him THRUSTING himself into the limelight? Of course not. He ain't going to have planned it. He's not going to have likely even watched it.

Other people do that, then they get all bitter about it because it never happened for them. Or because they have never caught a carp like that. That manifests itself into "Listen to his vocabulary/certain type of people" looking down the nose. I have some news for those people, and it is all bad. Scott ain't watching no videos of them in his free time... They are watching videos of him.

A smart man understands..........

In reply to Post #68
.....or simply just didn't enjoy the video.

In reply to Post #69
And if they said it was a crap video who cares. Personal comments about people are something else. They make people feel like ****. The internet is full of massively personal comments. People have no filter online.This is partly the reason all around the world there is a massive spike in mental health problems in the young.

I am going to ask again because no one seems to want to answer. If you made a work video and your missus slipped into shot... How would you feel if people on the internet started making derogatory personal comments about the way she looked? Or outright saying that she was a "certain type of person" because of the way she sounded. It's their right remember according to some of you.

Would it make you feel good? Or would it make you feel sad? If you are honest with yourself you know the answer really.

Yes it is your right to have an opinion. But it's not your right to make someone else feel like a bag of **** for reasons out of their control.

Really enjoyed the film, he worked hard for that one.

In reply to Post #70
To be honest I'm past caring. I've never been on Facebook or Twitter and have never felt any reason or pressure to do so. I know they wouldn't be good for my mental health. I realise children are generally not strongminded enough to do the same. Therefore my children were not allowed a phone of any type until they were 16. I wish other parents would do the same. I have seen some of the videos that get passed around via TikTok etc. It is frightening. Cartel tortures, beheadings, the list is endless. I don't expect a lot of parents understand or even want to know. Small children are watching such things and empathy is dying partly because of it.

If someone were to make derogatory comments about anyone I know or love, I would simply ignore them. Seriously, I wouldn't give it another thought.
It was the way I was brought up.
I know where the off button is on my phone, my computer and any other device that connects me to the online cesspool.
I also know how to ignore. Another dying art I suppose. Maybe that is my biggest mistake, forgetting that people really don't know how to just ignore any more. Revenge is king, and from what I can see from the likes of Netflix series that are advertised. Revenge porn seems almost as popular as porn itself.

In reply to Post #72
It is frightening. There are so many young people suffering with anxiety and mental health problems. We are all good people really. None of us are teenagers. They are far more savage.

Your ability to ignore, is lost on a child/teenager who goes to school and spends most of the rest of their childhood in their room on the internet. Internet is life for them pretty much. LIke it or not, that is the reality in a world where now most of the time both parents have to work to pay the bills.

Look at what Joss wrote about his son.

I got my MOT done on Friday. There is two lovely old boys at the garage, both have been there for donkeys years. The same one always MOT's my car. He knows I have an internet business. He told me on Friday how his granddaughter was having terrible problems online. He said it started with her being bullied a couple of years ago by classmates. He said it changed her out of all recognition. Made her withdrawn to the point of she tried to kill herself recently. She is now 13 he said. He was so sad about it, virtually wanted to cry to a stranger you could see it. He only told me because he was so desperate to understand why. Why people need to make such horrible personal comments online. If that was your granddaughter, tell me again you'll just ignore it mate.

I am going to leave this discussion now.

If I have offended any of you, I apologise. I don't always explain myself the best. I am speed typing while choffing a cup of coffee when I post anything. My sister owns one of the biggest independent estate agent chains in London. My nephew lives in a £5 million house. This affects the rich as much as the poor. It does not discriminate. I have seen with my own eyes the effects of personal comments made online. I have watched my poor sister go through hell. There are many other parents going through hell.

People from our generation, just need to understand that the generations below us are often not as mentally strong as us. That is because they have grown up in a world dominated by the internet and social media. Things that are water off of a duck's back to us, are not water off a duck's back to them. The internet has caused that in my unqualified opinion.

None of this has anything to do with Scott. Just personal comments made about him on here.

For the third time, I really enjoyed the video, made me want to go fishing. That is a proper carp.

In reply to Post #74
Thankfully mate, since he went back to school after lockdown and he started interacting properly with kids of his own age, plus we restricted his on line time, hes back "normal"

But the danger signs were there!!