In reply to Post #61
As an ardent consumer of zip lock bags I assure you not many are truly airtight.
As an ardent consumer of zip lock bags I assure you not many are truly airtight.
In reply to Post #61
There is absolutely no difference in hardness to be detected.
I will add some water and put them in a deep freeze bag that I will close by a tight knot. Maybe that will help.
There is absolutely no difference in hardness to be detected.
I will add some water and put them in a deep freeze bag that I will close by a tight knot. Maybe that will help.
In reply to Post #62
Tight enough for this
Tight enough for this
In reply to Post #63
Please excuse my naivety but is the conclusion that the activator with another comprehensive nut type mix like the ones suggested from Trent or AA a viable alternative to cell to answer the OP's question??
Please excuse my naivety but is the conclusion that the activator with another comprehensive nut type mix like the ones suggested from Trent or AA a viable alternative to cell to answer the OP's question??
In reply to Post #65
I have not seen any reaction of the cell liquid after about a week. I even put them in a new (now really airtight) bag with some added water. No mold, no sugars coming out. Nothing.
I have not seen any reaction of the cell liquid after about a week. I even put them in a new (now really airtight) bag with some added water. No mold, no sugars coming out. Nothing.
In reply to Post #66
Right thanks. So does that confirm or dispel the claim that the cell activator only reacts to certain dry ingredients in the cell basemix or not? If that is true then it is fairly ineffective in any other basemix i assume or is it just a flavoured gimmick with very good sales promotion as i believe was suggested earlier?
Right thanks. So does that confirm or dispel the claim that the cell activator only reacts to certain dry ingredients in the cell basemix or not? If that is true then it is fairly ineffective in any other basemix i assume or is it just a flavoured gimmick with very good sales promotion as i believe was suggested earlier?
In reply to Post #67
The mainline baits have always had some kind of activator, or in the case of assassin 8 a catalyst (google catalyst) that should help you
If you read about the Grange bait, part 1 and part 2 that should tell you a bit
Discussions around the Cell are purely speculation because we do not know exactley what goes in it but based on what I have said about Mainline, do your own thinking
The mainline baits have always had some kind of activator, or in the case of assassin 8 a catalyst (google catalyst) that should help you
If you read about the Grange bait, part 1 and part 2 that should tell you a bit
Discussions around the Cell are purely speculation because we do not know exactley what goes in it but based on what I have said about Mainline, do your own thinking
In reply to Post #68
I must say I think there is something in the cell activator (maybe that amylase) that makes the dough (and finished bait) behave a bit different to dough that has been made with other liquids.
I must say I think there is something in the cell activator (maybe that amylase) that makes the dough (and finished bait) behave a bit different to dough that has been made with other liquids.
In reply to Post #69
That's why the baits are soft
Have you tasted the activator, I have, really harsh
That's why the baits are soft
Have you tasted the activator, I have, really harsh
In reply to Post #69
I suppose that's the question i was asking or invitation for opinion as has been rightly stated we don't know what's in the basemix. Has any of the tests suggested that that reaction is only with the dedicated basemix or does it react the same with others? Some have suggested it works well in other basemixes on this thread but that doesn't mean that it's as or equally effective for sure. You guys clearly have a wealth of bait knowledge so was just interested in your thoughts/conclusions .
I suppose that's the question i was asking or invitation for opinion as has been rightly stated we don't know what's in the basemix. Has any of the tests suggested that that reaction is only with the dedicated basemix or does it react the same with others? Some have suggested it works well in other basemixes on this thread but that doesn't mean that it's as or equally effective for sure. You guys clearly have a wealth of bait knowledge so was just interested in your thoughts/conclusions
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Reigniting an old thread.
I can see that it was mentioned in this thread that the cell ingredients were not known.
But they have obviously been listed on the packaging which I assume is since this conversation.
And they are indeed an extremely simple mix.
Soya 33%
Pasta flour 24%
Potato protein 18%
Micronised maize 7.7%
Soya bean meal 6.3%
Heat treated rapeseed 6%
Egg products 5%
I'm assuming this fuels the fire for the fermentation/enzyme argument?
To assume that it's just good marketing is farcical, I think there most successful baits have continued on the same theme of the grange all those years ago, simply reinventing a new bait under the same guise.
Because anglers require it.
I can see that it was mentioned in this thread that the cell ingredients were not known.
But they have obviously been listed on the packaging which I assume is since this conversation.
And they are indeed an extremely simple mix.
Soya 33%
Pasta flour 24%
Potato protein 18%
Micronised maize 7.7%
Soya bean meal 6.3%
Heat treated rapeseed 6%
Egg products 5%
I'm assuming this fuels the fire for the fermentation/enzyme argument?
To assume that it's just good marketing is farcical, I think there most successful baits have continued on the same theme of the grange all those years ago, simply reinventing a new bait under the same guise.
Because anglers require it.
In reply to Post #72
If that's really the constituents of The Cell then we have been overthinking things. I have seen this bait dominate waters.
If that's really the constituents of The Cell then we have been overthinking things. I have seen this bait dominate waters.
In reply to Post #72
That is from a bag of Essential Cell I believe? Is the freezer Cell the same?
Also the same bag of Essential Cell says 'EEC Permitted Liquid Flavourings, Antioxidant, Sweetner, Colourant 0.001%, E415, E422. 7g/Kg'.
The key to the bait could be in these mainly unknown products (E415 is Xanthan Gum and E422 is Ammonium phophatides which is often used in food products with Rapeseed oil as an emulsifier and stabiliser) and how they interact with the basemix ingredients.
That is from a bag of Essential Cell I believe? Is the freezer Cell the same?
Also the same bag of Essential Cell says 'EEC Permitted Liquid Flavourings, Antioxidant, Sweetner, Colourant 0.001%, E415, E422. 7g/Kg'.
The key to the bait could be in these mainly unknown products (E415 is Xanthan Gum and E422 is Ammonium phophatides which is often used in food products with Rapeseed oil as an emulsifier and stabiliser) and how they interact with the basemix ingredients.
In reply to Post #74
Hi Smurf.
Yes they are the same liquid ingredients I could see listed on a packet from a bait group.
How bound would you be to include your exact ingredients on what in reality is fishing bait.
I suppose you can just get away with being vague.
You wouldn't exactly give away your secrets which you have perfected, because of eu legislation surely.
Or is that just me 😅.
Hi Smurf.
Yes they are the same liquid ingredients I could see listed on a packet from a bait group.
How bound would you be to include your exact ingredients on what in reality is fishing bait.
I suppose you can just get away with being vague.
You wouldn't exactly give away your secrets which you have perfected, because of eu legislation surely.
Or is that just me 😅.
In reply to Post #75
EU law means you have to list ingredients for bait sold in the EU, who or how it's checked is at best vague! However you wouldn't want to get caught out as the consequences could be huge and probably not worth the risk for a long established business.
EU law means you have to list ingredients for bait sold in the EU, who or how it's checked is at best vague! However you wouldn't want to get caught out as the consequences could be huge and probably not worth the risk for a long established business.