In reply to Post #45
You haven't looked very hard then. :-)

In reply to Post #21
For what it's worth I have actually seen the e mail sent from JB or his representative regarding the situation. It was sent to a company who roll hookbaits only and state what flavours go into each bait. The term he used was “passing on” gave them 48 to remove all pictures on there social media of anything JB related. None of the baits in the range had names that eluded to JB in ANY way. Every post that had a picture of his flavour or a reference to it had to be deleted FACT.

I've used his stuff in the past and spoke to him a few times regarding his range and he is genuinely a nice bloke. I do however think this is a step to far, he is quite happy to source stuff from other suppliers and claim it as his own however if someone rolls a pop up they can't say it has JB plum in it?.

In reply to Post #57
If that's the case then he must have lost his marbles. He's in business to sell products. But he's threatening legal action against anyone who tells people they use them. That's utter madness. It's not like he even sells a finished rolled bait. The only way for anyone to use his products is to either roll it themselves or get someone else to do it.

Can you imagine that in any other line of business? A painter and decorator only works in big houses, so he advertises that he only uses Farrow & Ball paints as he does quality work and thinks their paint is the best. Then Farrow & Ball say we will take legal action if you tell anyone you use our paint!!!

The worlds gone mad. Can you imagine the damage that hookbait company are going to do to John Bakers reputation on their social media now?

In reply to Post #58
I agree it's absurd I could maybe understand if he was rolling bait himself but he only sells ingredients. Now you can't even mention that a pop up contains any of his ingredients or flavours. It's absolutely baffling as it was free publicity.

In reply to Post #59
You'd have to wonder if it worth anyone bothering to buy his products anymore. If you can't say to a potential customer “I use the finest ingredients that I can source and John Baker flavours” then you might as well just use any old flavour as it's value in your product from a commercial point of view is non existent. Plus they are very expensive compared to other merchants so if there's no commercial gain you might as well just use the cheaper version and make more profit.

Here's the current situation
Company ABC uses JB plum and tells people
Company XYZ uses a cheap imported diluted crap and calls it plum
The consumer has a choice

If that email is correct from now on
Company ABC makes a bait called plum
Company XYZ makes a bait called plum
The consumer now has less information to make an informed choice

This seems a very bizarre business decision from JB Baits
Unless of course he's about to either release his own rolled baits, or do an exclusive deal with someone and he's looking to rid the market of competition.

In reply to Post #59
That's a good point.

In reply to Post #57
That will hold absolutely no sway what so ever if they're genuinely using his products.

I'd love to see him try to take someone to court, it'll be laughed out.

I'd love to see someone send a counter email as it's a huge no no to try and back track on the terms of a lawful sale.


I've rolled 5 of his base mixes for river folks, bang average and certainly not the extortionate price he charges, yet he seems to think the immorality lies with people choosing his products for their business lol


Shame to see this side of it all

In reply to Post #62
Mozzi I like reading your posts and I'm sure you know your stuff but can you please stop taking digs at other bait companies. It's not a good look.

In reply to Post #63
I called them average.

In reply to Post #64
Yeah all well and good but you are still a average forum member who wont post anything about his own bait company, who seems to know the in's & out's of everyone else's and feels its totally justifiable to take digs at people/ businesses/ products in the same game, who have a built a good reputation over the years.

Just to pick up on a point that Nick made earlier. I've bought JB flavours via his own website, and recently at the big one by physically giving him cash, face to face, in person. At no point during any of those transactions were any restrictions on its use given to me. The only Information given to me was a dosage rate sheet and even that was only advisory. I can't see how he's got the right to take peoples money for a product that he openly sells as for use In making carp bait and then threaten legal action when people advertise that they've used it in carp bait, the very reason he sold it to them in the first place.

In reply to Post #66
You'd think somebody would welcome such provenance for something, technically, anyone can make.
It's like haiths not allowing robin red to be used commercially

In reply to Post #67
And we all know how that turned out.. "almost no one" using it anymore... well to be honest got mor eto do with quality than that statement but still...

In reply to Post #65
Actually I offer a lot of advice in the bait section. The reason I don't mention my company, as I've said before and am getting annoyed having to say to people, is so that I'm not endorsing my own wares, which would be unfair on paying advertisers on this site. You'd only need to read prior posts to know this.

You can brown nose John as much as you want mate but that doesn't make his extortionate prices ( thst you imply he doesn't need for profit ) any less of a rip off.

Has anyone actually spoken/contacted John as to his reasons for this?