In reply to Post #45
Herein lies the problem, it is not controllable; exactly like the EPO use in cycling, if you weren't involved you simply couldn't compete against the guys that were, no matter how much training and effort you put in. If this is a reality in current day carp fishing then it won't be controllable by the fisheries, and going forward any 'big hit' will be viewed upon as being suspect whether it is genuine watercraft / angling skill or otherwise which is another concern as that is unfair on the anglers that do well.. All of this is secondary to any potential environmental impact of course.
Herein lies the problem, it is not controllable; exactly like the EPO use in cycling, if you weren't involved you simply couldn't compete against the guys that were, no matter how much training and effort you put in. If this is a reality in current day carp fishing then it won't be controllable by the fisheries, and going forward any 'big hit' will be viewed upon as being suspect whether it is genuine watercraft / angling skill or otherwise which is another concern as that is unfair on the anglers that do well.. All of this is secondary to any potential environmental impact of course.
In reply to Post #46
Totally understand its not currently controllable but does not mean one shouldn't try and control it. I can think of many things that are banned/illegal in life and yet practically un-provable.
Don't get me wrong I hate rules for the sake of rules. I have walked away from fishing trips because, in my view, the rules of a lake were ridiculous. But in this case the potential widespread damage it can cause possibly warrants the rule IMHO.
Totally understand its not currently controllable but does not mean one shouldn't try and control it. I can think of many things that are banned/illegal in life and yet practically un-provable.
Don't get me wrong I hate rules for the sake of rules. I have walked away from fishing trips because, in my view, the rules of a lake were ridiculous. But in this case the potential widespread damage it can cause possibly warrants the rule IMHO.
In reply to Post #47
I agree with you 100%, question is how can this be done?
There have been some extraordinary catches on Farriers for instance, a wonderful lake with some fantastic fish, but no one has made it look like a runs water until recently, even Darrell struggled at first, and took advice from some regulars that helped him get some bites, but seeing the results others have achieved does make me think 'what are they on'?
I agree with you 100%, question is how can this be done?
There have been some extraordinary catches on Farriers for instance, a wonderful lake with some fantastic fish, but no one has made it look like a runs water until recently, even Darrell struggled at first, and took advice from some regulars that helped him get some bites, but seeing the results others have achieved does make me think 'what are they on'?
In reply to Post #48
Not sure how you can police this - unless it is regulated substance and then it should come back to who is supplying the substance to the persons involved.
Not sure how you can police this - unless it is regulated substance and then it should come back to who is supplying the substance to the persons involved.
In reply to Post #49
The substance claimed is a regulated substance which is why naming it should alert the manufactures and/or suppliers to double check their supply chain as it clearly is failing at the moment.
All the time we just whisper it among ourselves the current supply path will remain open and the abuse of this material will continue.
Many laws are impossible to police in the real world but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it
The substance claimed is a regulated substance which is why naming it should alert the manufactures and/or suppliers to double check their supply chain as it clearly is failing at the moment.
All the time we just whisper it among ourselves the current supply path will remain open and the abuse of this material will continue.
Many laws are impossible to police in the real world but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it
In reply to Post #50
Why don't you name it then?
Why don't you name it then?
In reply to Post #51
Does make me laugh. All of this talk about a hormone. Literally thousands of posts across all media platform yet not one person has named it as a definitive. A few have been mentioned by people that have worked with reproductive hormones in carp but only on a “if it's xxxx then you're sicko's” basis.
Does make me laugh. All of this talk about a hormone. Literally thousands of posts across all media platform yet not one person has named it as a definitive. A few have been mentioned by people that have worked with reproductive hormones in carp but only on a “if it's xxxx then you're sicko's” basis.
In reply to Post #51
because unlike some i have never claimed to know what it is
because unlike some i have never claimed to know what it is
In reply to Post #53
Surely nobody except those using it know then? And at least if the possibilities are named they can be looked into ? And that way all the speculation can stop, and the people in question can be held accountable for their actions, or the fanboys who say it's just because they are great anglers can be proved correct. Can't see all the secrecy around the whole situation helping whatsoever
Surely nobody except those using it know then? And at least if the possibilities are named they can be looked into ? And that way all the speculation can stop, and the people in question can be held accountable for their actions, or the fanboys who say it's just because they are great anglers can be proved correct. Can't see all the secrecy around the whole situation helping whatsoever
In reply to Post #51
It doesnt need naming on here, i have seen it posted in a private goup and twice had it sent to my by pm.
It wont be long until its common knowledge and then every bank tram and his mate will be on alibaba looking for a dodgy supply route.
It doesnt need naming on here, i have seen it posted in a private goup and twice had it sent to my by pm.
It wont be long until its common knowledge and then every bank tram and his mate will be on alibaba looking for a dodgy supply route.
In reply to Post #55
Why not? If it's going round private groups ,and is as questionable as it sounds, it should be named publicly so that action can be taken if needed or even possible. All the hush hush nonsense going on at the minute isnt helping at all. Or maybe those in these private groups you speak of are using it too and don't want their edge taking away, or their ethics questioned . The secret squirrel stuff isn't a good look if there's nothing wrong with it. It looks like those who know are trying to hide it, probably because they know it's wrong.
Why not? If it's going round private groups ,and is as questionable as it sounds, it should be named publicly so that action can be taken if needed or even possible. All the hush hush nonsense going on at the minute isnt helping at all. Or maybe those in these private groups you speak of are using it too and don't want their edge taking away, or their ethics questioned . The secret squirrel stuff isn't a good look if there's nothing wrong with it. It looks like those who know are trying to hide it, probably because they know it's wrong.
In reply to Post #56
Agree 100%. You can't ban it if know one will even name it!
Agree 100%. You can't ban it if know one will even name it!
In reply to Post #57
Its been named in the podcast thread, thats the product name that i have seen going around.
Its been named in the podcast thread, thats the product name that i have seen going around.
In reply to Post #58
There, wasn't so hard was it?!
There, wasn't so hard was it?!
In reply to Post #58
I thought it was hard to get hold of. The stuff I have just seen on the podcast thread is readily available
Thing is IF this is real then so many other names now flying about that some people will try anything and god only knows what cocktail of drugs the lake now has to survive!
I thought it was hard to get hold of. The stuff I have just seen on the podcast thread is readily available
Thing is IF this is real then so many other names now flying about that some people will try anything and god only knows what cocktail of drugs the lake now has to survive!