In reply to Post #45
I use it at 3%, but not sure it's made much difference at that ratio.
I use it at 3%, but not sure it's made much difference at that ratio.
In reply to Post #45
Why the low ratios?
Why the low ratios?
In reply to Post #47
Correct me if I am wrong here, but Brocacel recommended dosages were 2-5 % max I thought?
If I was to go much higher, would need a good think about it.
That and the fact there are lots of other solubles in this potential mix ( unless we are making a paste bait ) some form of compromise would have to happen with the milk proteins to keep it rollable in a boiled bait
Experience and many experimental mixes will get the desired end result we desire, in the end
Correct me if I am wrong here, but Brocacel recommended dosages were 2-5 % max I thought?
If I was to go much higher, would need a good think about it.
That and the fact there are lots of other solubles in this potential mix ( unless we are making a paste bait ) some form of compromise would have to happen with the milk proteins to keep it rollable in a boiled bait
Experience and many experimental mixes will get the desired end result we desire, in the end
In reply to Post #41
Hi Christian,
I have no idea why using both whey and casein hydros would not seem to work together.
If you check their AA profiles, they are not too dissimilar, but the peptopro would break down quicker due to the higher hydro and short peptides.
The suggestion, by FPM's bait man that hydros be used at a low limit, I think, may be ref to wanting the bait to breakdown more slowly over a longer period in the swim, and perhaps for cost issues.
However, the opposite is the case when using a full on enzyme bait like Pete B's UCN. This bait, if allowed, would break down completely to mush, such was the effect of the enzymes. He said the bait was most effective if left to soften until just about usable.
I suggest you all read the UCN thread on Fishingwarehouse forum to form your own opinions on the use of enzyme hydrolysis.
It is the sole reason why Viking and I are trying to emulate it.
BB.
Hi Christian,
I have no idea why using both whey and casein hydros would not seem to work together.
If you check their AA profiles, they are not too dissimilar, but the peptopro would break down quicker due to the higher hydro and short peptides.
The suggestion, by FPM's bait man that hydros be used at a low limit, I think, may be ref to wanting the bait to breakdown more slowly over a longer period in the swim, and perhaps for cost issues.
However, the opposite is the case when using a full on enzyme bait like Pete B's UCN. This bait, if allowed, would break down completely to mush, such was the effect of the enzymes. He said the bait was most effective if left to soften until just about usable.
I suggest you all read the UCN thread on Fishingwarehouse forum to form your own opinions on the use of enzyme hydrolysis.
It is the sole reason why Viking and I are trying to emulate it.
BB.
In reply to Post #47
Hi Viking,
I'm Shamelessly trying to keep within a budget...lol l. But saying that, I'm dubious of its effectiveness at 3%.
I did read that 5% is the norm, do you have another opinion?
Cheers.
Hi Viking,
I'm Shamelessly trying to keep within a budget...lol l. But saying that, I'm dubious of its effectiveness at 3%.
I did read that 5% is the norm, do you have another opinion?
Cheers.
In reply to Post #45
Hi scaley,
Brocacel is said to aid digestion so I would think yes, but it has other benefits, like its AA content, minerals, vitamins and nucleotides.
BB.
Hi scaley,
Brocacel is said to aid digestion so I would think yes, but it has other benefits, like its AA content, minerals, vitamins and nucleotides.
BB.
In reply to Post #51
Hi BB,
That is my understanding of it, a very useful ingredient indeed.
At 5% Potentially more so in lower quality mixes. Could make a big difference.
Hi BB,
That is my understanding of it, a very useful ingredient indeed.
At 5% Potentially more so in lower quality mixes. Could make a big difference.
In reply to Post #48
Hi Scaley,
I've seen the recommended inclusion rates but was just interested in if there was a particular reason they are so low.
All sorts of yeasts seem to intrigue the carp.
Hi Scaley,
I've seen the recommended inclusion rates but was just interested in if there was a particular reason they are so low.
All sorts of yeasts seem to intrigue the carp.
In reply to Post #53
Hi Viking,
Maybe because it is more concentrated than the normal brewer Yeast types included in baits, or maybe it is super soluble, and need to err on the lower side in it's inclusion levels, just my thoughts.
However I would like to see how high I could go with it, as I really like it's unique taste within a bait.
Hi Viking,
Maybe because it is more concentrated than the normal brewer Yeast types included in baits, or maybe it is super soluble, and need to err on the lower side in it's inclusion levels, just my thoughts.
However I would like to see how high I could go with it, as I really like it's unique taste within a bait.
In reply to Post #49
BB the reason I dropped the peptpro was because I thought the attraction was too high and was easier to control with the lesser hydrolysed product. At the time I only fished overnight and perhaps there was too much attraction in the water. It could also be down to taste I understand from people who use this stuff as intended as a protein shake consider hydrolysed products very bitter and almost undrinkable. I know carp taste things differently but even the old mud pigs must have a palatable limit.
BB the reason I dropped the peptpro was because I thought the attraction was too high and was easier to control with the lesser hydrolysed product. At the time I only fished overnight and perhaps there was too much attraction in the water. It could also be down to taste I understand from people who use this stuff as intended as a protein shake consider hydrolysed products very bitter and almost undrinkable. I know carp taste things differently but even the old mud pigs must have a palatable limit.
In reply to Post #38
Hi KB,
I wouldn't make and use the mix I posted, I was just answering the question.
I use fishmeal as my main protein and supplement with milk protein etc. to address FLAA.
BB.
Hi KB,
I wouldn't make and use the mix I posted, I was just answering the question.
I use fishmeal as my main protein and supplement with milk protein etc. to address FLAA.
BB.
In reply to Post #54
What is more concentrated in the brococel? Protein and b vitamin content is almost the same. I am assuming it's the nucleotide and beta glucans but never seen a data sheet. Generally I would use a yeast content of 10% made up of plain brewers yeast and brococel or if I could get it at the right price nucleotide yeast.
What is more concentrated in the brococel? Protein and b vitamin content is almost the same. I am assuming it's the nucleotide and beta glucans but never seen a data sheet. Generally I would use a yeast content of 10% made up of plain brewers yeast and brococel or if I could get it at the right price nucleotide yeast.
In reply to Post #55
Hi Christian,
I know that some milk hydros used as protein shakes have a problem with bitter taste, which I am led to believe is caused by short peptides. But if you check the info on peptopro, it is subject to a final, special hydro process which largely eliminates the bitterness, which it would undoubtedly have given the high hydro.
I know that carp receptors can become saturated with AA signals, but would doubt that say 5% of peptopro would be able to do that in a fishing situation. The attraction would be fast compared to untreated protein, but the short peptides still need to be broken down by lake orgasms to free AAs.
I can understand that, when fishing overnighters and the usual take time being after first light, that a slower attraction release to coincide with it might be advantageous, but this brings me back to the UCN enzyme bait, which released a massively effective feed signal.
Read the UCN thread as I suggested to see what you make of the use of enzymes and protein breakdown.
BB.
Hi Christian,
I know that some milk hydros used as protein shakes have a problem with bitter taste, which I am led to believe is caused by short peptides. But if you check the info on peptopro, it is subject to a final, special hydro process which largely eliminates the bitterness, which it would undoubtedly have given the high hydro.
I know that carp receptors can become saturated with AA signals, but would doubt that say 5% of peptopro would be able to do that in a fishing situation. The attraction would be fast compared to untreated protein, but the short peptides still need to be broken down by lake orgasms to free AAs.
I can understand that, when fishing overnighters and the usual take time being after first light, that a slower attraction release to coincide with it might be advantageous, but this brings me back to the UCN enzyme bait, which released a massively effective feed signal.
Read the UCN thread as I suggested to see what you make of the use of enzymes and protein breakdown.
BB.
In reply to Post #57
Hi Christian,
Not had any data sheets to compare the Brocacel with my previous go to yeast powder, human grade Holland & Barrett brewers yeast.
You have opened my eyes about the Brocacel not being much better in protein or B vitamin content than the normal ones.
Thought being concentrated, it would be a bit better.
Hi Christian,
Not had any data sheets to compare the Brocacel with my previous go to yeast powder, human grade Holland & Barrett brewers yeast.
You have opened my eyes about the Brocacel not being much better in protein or B vitamin content than the normal ones.
Thought being concentrated, it would be a bit better.
In reply to Post #59
There is an ok breakdown of Brocacel at the Feedstim webpage.
There is an ok breakdown of Brocacel at the Feedstim webpage.