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Mainline iso fish (49 posts / 13,411 views)
PaulBishop PaulBishop
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Post #31 27 Aug 2024 12:06
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The question is, have Mainline ever made a completely $h1t bait ? They've chopped and changed but are still best-sellers, is that down to history or results ?
It'll catch.
frothey frothey
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Post #32 27 Aug 2024 13:29
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In reply to Post #31
There's ones that didn't stay around long (CP2000, NRG, Hybrid, Fusion, etc) but I think that's partly because they were competing with Grange and the different Activ8 baits.

It's not like people that make "proper" HNV baits with "proper" ingredients ever bring out a sh*t one (cough, NB All Season Mix )
scozza
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Post #33 27 Aug 2024 15:40
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In reply to Post #28
It was posted on here that Phytase was the ingredient in the original Grange and as mentioned you can bet the same is used in all of their baits. I was interested to see a while ago that they now sell active shelf life baits, seems like they have now taken it to another level because when they brought out the first shelf life hookers I thought, makes sense to keep a pot of those in the carryall, they were utter garbage in comparison to the freezer baits so it tells you something, or it did me back then

You are onto something, what, I'm still not sure (for the hundredth time lol) but I have rolled a bit of their stuff in the past and combinations with other bases too and it does make a soft bait, up the levels of activator and it is softer still. Looking at the base ingredients I would say it reacts more with carbs than proteins.

Sugars? lol, I think they are highly digestible too
Teddybare
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Post #34 27 Aug 2024 19:29
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In reply to Post #31
Fusion, smelt like cat piss.
lincs-carper
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Post #35 27 Aug 2024 19:56
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In reply to Post #33
Phytase is certainly a useful additive with iirc the absorption of minerals etc? If they do use amylase, I've experimented with it a lot and yes it does make a cereal type baits soft. Having done more research (I like doing research lol) there is a limit to the amount of simple sugars carp should consume before they end up in a diabetic like state so the dosage rate could be critical to making a successful bait. There's something else that I've dabbled with, an organic acid that vastly increases the absorption of lipids and starch and also has the ability to act as an olfactory trigger but it's very bitter, so adding a sweet liquid would counteract that and make what is a pretty ordinary feed much more palatable and nutritional. It's all very much
ifs, buts and maybe's but perhaps food for thought.
scozza
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Post #36 27 Aug 2024 20:06
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Out of interest Lincs, with the amylase did the baits go white after a while?

The deeper you read the more you find out, I can't be arsed to be honest but it goes more down the route of making the feed highly digestible and based on a carps intestine if makes sense to give them something that they can REALLY utilise as oppose to just attract and that's what they may be providing for me
lincs-carper
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Post #37 27 Aug 2024 20:16
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In reply to Post #36
Yeah, they turn real quick. Mostly wild yeast utilising the maltose I reckon and therefore creating a much bigger signal to back up the sweet taste. Over the years I became increasingly convinced that the movement of enzymes within a bait can actually give off a albeit faint electro signal that fish home in on....
Tyto
Posts: 192
Post #38 27 Aug 2024 20:28
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In reply to Post #35
In relation to phytase and also other enzymes, you could also just use an active corn steep liquor as a bait soak. Lactobacillus Plantarum and various other strains can break down phytic acid ( an anti - nutrient found in grains, nuts etc ) thus releasing locked in phosphorus and other minerals. They also break down sugars and proteins too. I've never used any of the Mainline Activators. Are they an active liquid in themselves in as much as they need to be refrigerated / vented ?
lincs-carper
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Post #39 27 Aug 2024 20:50
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In reply to Post #38
Good post. From my own experience, bacterial breakdown is a much slower process that using straight enzymes so yes you probably would get a reaction but perhaps not quick enough to make a big enough difference. Could be wrong with that though. With regard to the activators, they are shelf life with no issues which lead me towards having amylase in
Tyto
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Post #40 27 Aug 2024 21:02
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In reply to Post #39
Yeah, if the activators are shelf life then they are most likely enzyme based 👍 And definitely the live bacteria will take a lot longer to work it's magic and as a soak on finished boilies would only penetrate the outer layer. I've currently got 5 litres of cracked maize soup lacto fermenting which I'm going leave for about 4 weeks. Good things to come 😁
lincs-carper
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Post #41 27 Aug 2024 21:06
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Something else that got me onto amylase, and it's very loosely based is that everyone mentions Terry hearn chewing his tigers, has anyone ever made the link that saliva is attractive to carp yet it's make up is mostly water, apart from the inherent salivary amylase in pretty big amounts?
scozza
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Post #42 27 Aug 2024 21:12
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In reply to Post #38
I believe that was the key liquid ingredients in the Grange, part 1 and 2. CSL and Pyhtase with the latter used for activating the CSL.

The activators do not need to be in the fridge or require any venting so to add to the confusion it could be just reacting with what's in the base, carbs?

Then water. How do you activate a shelf life bait!

I believe they recommend air drying their freezer baits

Been discussed many times

Mirage baits were selling some very interesting CSL products
lincs-carper
Posts: 920
Post #44 27 Aug 2024 21:18
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A simple test would be to make some ready break to a thickish consistency with warm water then add some activator and gauge any reaction once stirred in, should turn very runny is amylase is present.
Tyto
Posts: 192
Post #45 27 Aug 2024 21:18
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In reply to Post #41
Gonna be hearing " Hawk Tuah " echoing across the carp lakes of England 😂😂
lincs-carper
Posts: 920
Post #46 27 Aug 2024 21:21
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